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Do people who you might think of as fundamentalist consider themselves to be fundamentalist? Is it a label held with pride and identity or is it only a negative given by non-fundamentalists?

Certainly the term is used so negatively by the media that most of the Christians I know don't use the term(anymore) to self-identify. They're more likely to identify themselves as Biblical Christians, conservative Christians, evangelical Christians etc.

That the term is extended to describe people in many religions is probably part of the reason that the people in those religions don't seem to identify with it.

'Fundament':

Dictionaryfundament

1 the foundation or basis of something.

2 humorous: a person's buttocks.

ORIGIN: Middle English (also denoting the base of a building, or the founding of a building orinstitution): from Old French fondement, from Latin fundamentum, from fundare `to found.'

So, the 'fundamentalist' is so, because of a firm belief in the validity of the 'thing as it was founded'.

In the case of religion, this pertains to the 'original' version of scripture.

But strangely, we see that even older versions of the same 'foundation' exist, but are ignored,in favor of latter revision. It is then the 'update' which is claimed to be 'fundamental'.

I can safely say, that most people are 'fundamentalist' when it comes to their own self-perceived 'identity'; this is 'what it is' and there is no questioning of its validity or veracity.

Next, we have the issue of the 'meme'; it works by process of adoption via perceived affiliation, or as some would say, it 'resonates' with the recipient.

The meme infiltrates memory, and co-opts something close to the root of identity. This positioning allows or causes the person to strongly 'identify' with the payload of the meme; in other words, the meme, once established, is able to marshal the 'defense systems' of the psyche and to use those to maintain its dominance.

It is unlikely that the meme (eg, monotheism, etc) will be seen as foreign to the psyche, by the possessor thereof; but others may take notice, and question the propriety of such ideas and positions taken by the one possessed. It is at those times, that the meme defends itself, calling into play the entire force of the psyche; and thus will express itself, both to repel attack, and also to transmit itself whole into the nearby 'attacker'.

Keeping in mind that even a small expression of 'doubt' is bound to trigger defense, we can see that any internal doubt will trigger a massive psychic auto-immune event, as the defenses 'owned' by the meme, will turn against the source of its own power, eg, the person possessed. In some cases, the meme vs psyche 'battle' devours all available energy ('libido',in Jungian terms) and leads to grave illness, and sometimes even death by auto-immune disease, or by suicide.

Such is the dilemma of the 'fundamentalist'. Always on the precipice of doubt, he is motivated to banish all competing ideas, to establish the 'ultimate purity'; and so importantly, to push upon others, the same routine. And the more 'believers' exist, the more likely 'conversion' becomes. We can see this process in action in our world today, as masses of humansbattle other humans on real battlefields, memes firmly in control, exactly as generals.

Fundamentalism then, reveals the existence of a potentially deadly 'parasite' which is perfectly adapted to possess and seize control of humans, even entire populations of us.

Is there any remedy for this human affliction?

In brief, yes. Advaita(nonduality) affords a convenient 'brain-wipe' procedure, with choose-able levels of retention of prior contents. During the Advaita processes, memes are shaken out of the psyche sooner rather than later; the pain and bleeding of the event of their leaving, varies, according to the depth and chronicity of the infection. Advaita also stands as prophylaxis, serving to already-satisfy the otherwise 'questing' mind.

Unfortunately, one who 'believes' he is 'an Advaitin', but who has retained the meme of monotheism, will still play by the rules of the meme, but now, naming the deity as 'Self', and so on. I think it was inevitable that there should arise, a 'fundamentalist Advaita', given the profoundly pernicious persistence of the meme of monotheism. That meme merely hides behind a cloak of 'alternative' ideas, but always ready to spring forth in defense and self-replication.

Note: The state or concept of 'notheism' does not 'deny the existence of god', it denies the existence of 'gods'.

As my old buddy Dane quipped;

"I not only don't believe in God, I hate him, too!"

Boy chosen by Dalai Lama turns back on Buddhist order

Had the D.L. been an anagram specialist, he could have guessed:

Boy chosen by Dalai Lama

<---> basically beyond OM, aha!                                               

<--->  is beyond lama cabal, hoy!

Dale Fuchs in Madrid

 

guardian.co.uk, Sunday 31 May 2009 23.11 BST

As a toddler, he was put on a throne and worshipped by monks who treated him like a god. But the boy chosen by the Dalai Lama as a reincarnation of a spiritual leader has caused consternation – and some embarrassment – for Tibetan Buddhists by turning his back on the order that had such high hopes for him.

Instead of leading a monastic life, Osel Hita Torres now sports baggy trousers and long hair, and is more likely to quote Jimi Hendrix than Buddha.

Yesterday he bemoaned the misery of a youth deprived of television, football and girls. Movies were also forbidden – except for a sanctioned screening of The Golden Child starring Eddie Murphy, about a kidnapped child lama with magical powers. "I never felt like that boy," he said.

He is now studying film in Madrid and has denounced the Buddhist order that elevated him to guru status. "They took me away from my family and stuck me in a medieval situation in which I suffered a great deal," said Torres, 24, describing how he was whisked from obscurity in Granada to a monastery in southern India.

Read the rest...

That's some parallel to J. Krishnamurti and his relationship with the Theosophical Society.

Krishnamurti was born into a Telugu Brahmin family in what was then colonial India. In early adolescence, he had a chance encounter with prominent occultist and high-ranking theosophist C.W. Leadbeater in the grounds of the Theosophical Society headquarters at Adyar in Madras (now Chennai). He was subsequently raised under the tutelage of Annie Besant and C.W. Leadbeater, leaders of the Society at the time, who believed him to be a "vehicle" for an expected World Teacher. As a young man, he disavowed this idea and dissolved the worldwide organization (the Order of the Star) established to support it. He claimed allegiance to no nationality, caste, religion, or philosophy, and spent the rest of his life traveling the world as an individual speaker, speaking to large and small groups, as well as with interested individuals. He authored a number of books, among them The First and Last Freedom, The Only Revolution, and Krishnamurti's Notebook. In addition, a large collection of his talks and discussions have been published. At age 90, he addressed the United Nations on the subject of peace and awareness, and was awarded the 1984 UN Peace Medal.

There has been a "pick the reincarnated buddy from a bunch" ceremony for ages, and as long as the pick is from a pious population, the chosen one will lead the ordained life as prescribed for the role. So defecting from a life of buffing and stuffing would have been even more hilarious when a Scandinavian boy had been picked.

I hope Osel Hita Torres doesn't choose -- like J Krishnamurti -- to become his own guru.... Let him lead a normal life.

If he didn't like the years of indoctrination and worship, he might make an interesting movie on the religion of Lamaism, as ex-insider.

What is the most determinant feature of HHDL's public life?

"Exile": so no wonder much of their political energy goes toward networking, and the Hispanic avenue is an excellent deal towards South America, (one thing the Tibetans forget also ...the market is saturated in South America, there are already so many llamas there!) so the Little Senor Torres was a political choice and they overestimated the indoctrination penetrative power of their native land vajra into foreign hearts, good lesson.

Like it has been said about the Jews, a people without a land is very international connective, and there is no worse suffering than a Zionist Jew without a land ... while of course any other Jew, like any Catholic or Free Mason is fine in the country he was born.

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