Real Torture, Saddam, and Moral Equivalence

Appropos of today's dueling speeches of President Obama and Former Vice President Cheney, NRO re-released this piece detailing what happened at Abu Ghraib under Saddam.  Reading this should put into perspective the absurdity of drawing any sort of moral equivalence between our enemies and holding some guy's head under water for 40 seconds.

[Warning: It's pretty graphic; consider yourself warned.]

WHAT'S ON THE TAPE [WARNING: THIS IS GRAPHIC]According to Senate sources, this four-minute video, comprised of several clips, came to be after several verbal and written inquires were made to the Defense Department at the start of 2004. It is an edited version of several different tapes, totaling between one and two hours, discovered after the regime's collapse. The translations of the words heard on the tape were provided by the Department of Defense.

"You don't appreciate what happened in that prison until you see it."

The first film clip opens with the camera showing a man standing in a bland, mostly empty room. The camera pans down to show his right hand. Folded rugs are visible in the background. The clip jumps to footage of scrub-clad "surgeons" with rubber surgical gloves severing the man's hand at the wrist. First the skin is peeled away with surgical knives and tweezers; ligaments, tendons, muscle, and bone underneath are exposed. Then the gloved hands wielding the knives begin to slice, shredding through the sinews, slashing muscle, breaking bone, until the hand is ultimately detached and plopped onto a green cloth, as yellow, pulpy tissue spills forth.

"You don't appreciate what happened in that prison until you see it."

The next clip opens amid Saddam Fedayeen — Fedayeen means "those willing to die for Saddam" — chanting loudly: "With blood and spirit we will redeem you Saddam." The Fedayeen stand barking and clapping in a courtyard. A blindfolded prisoner, forced to his knees and held in position has his arm outstretched before him along a low concrete wall. A masked member of the Fedayeen raises high a three-foot-long blade and ferociously slams down on the man's hand, slicing through his fingertips. The victim is wailing, howling, screaming in agony.

The swordsman-torturer, not sufficiently satisfied with his first effort, raises the sword again and drives down once more on the man's immobile hand. This time he severs the fingers closer to the knuckles as blood spurts cartoonishly from his hand spilling over and down the concrete slab. The victim emits a wail I have never heard — could never imagine hearing — from a grown man, this time louder, harder than the first.

The camera then turns to the assembled Fedayeen as they continue rhythmically chanting.

"You don't appreciate what happened in that prison until you see it."

In the third clip, a prisoner sits on the ground, his arm tied with white cloth, strips to a wooden board resting on a gray concrete slab. A man stands before him with a sword, this blade is wider than the last. He, too, strikes down on the man's hand, severing it from his right arm as the prisoner recoils in pain. The camera then quickly darts to the man's hand resting on the dusty ground several feet away as it was launched a considerable distance from the prisoner due to the force of the torturer's chop.

"You don't appreciate what happened in that prison until you see it."

When Mel Gibson's movie The Passion was released, several critics harped on the scenes where Jesus is flogged mercilessly by Roman soldiers. The brutality was so extreme, critics charged, the depiction bordered on parody — it was not a credible rendering of what could have happened to Jesus.

In the fourth clip in the Saddam torture film, it's clear Gibson's cinematic vision of just how depraved men can be was not divorced from reality.

A tall prisoner, stripped to the waist and blindfolded has his arms tied before him to a white pole, his bare back exposed. Black-clad Saddam Fedayeen surround him, jackal-like, as one begins to pound on his back with a black rubber whip. With the man screaming, his scourged back arching backward, shoulders and arms frantically struggling to block the blows, one of the Fedayeen torturers is heard to say "no situation more honorable than truth over falsehood." Thwack! Thwack! Thwack! The prisoner's knees buckle as he crumbles into a hump on the ground from the blows, crying out in pain. Another Fedayeen grabs his hands and pulls him up the pole to receive further lashes.

"You don't appreciate what happened in that prison until you see it."

"In the name of Allah the merciful," intones the beret-topped loyalist to Saddam's "secular" regime in the next segment. He introduces to the viewer and the assembled butcher squad to another prisoner. The loyalist-narrator reads from Koran, Sura 2:179: "And there is a saving of life for you in the Law of Equality in punishment. O men of understanding, that you may become the pious."

"The Fedayeen, Saddin Ezzedin al-Arousi," he goes on, "was charged with a special mission in which he betrayed his duty in the mission. The head of the Fedayeen has ordered the following: He is expelled from Fedayeen work and his arms are to be broken in front of his unit. Tarik Juman will personally undertake the breaking of his arms. Thank you."

The camera jumps to al-Arousi sitting with one arm tied behind him as his right arm is extended out to his side. His right elbow rests on a cinderblock and his right fist is supported by another cinderblock. Nothing supports his forearm in between. While a Fedayeen holds the prisoner's elbow in place, Tarik Juman crashes a three-inch-thick pipe down on his old compatriot's forearm, bending the forearm in a 'V' shape and shattering the bones within. This procedure is repeated for his left arm as well.

"You don't appreciate what happened in that prison until you see it."

In another clip a hooded and blindfolded prisoner is led to a room where he is forced to kneel, hands tied behind his back. Another man sits before the prisoner with thick metal tweezers and a scalpel. With his left hand he grabs the tip of the prisoner's tongue with the tweezers and pulls it forward from his head. With the scalpel in his other hand he slices through the prisoner's tongue, cutting it out of his mouth and then dropping it on the floor.

This ritual is repeated for more prisoners who are lined up, squatting in a row like parts on an assembly line waiting for processing, sitting ducks surrounded by dozens of men bearing witness to a Baathist tongue lashing.

"You don't appreciate what happened in that prison until you see it."

In the final clip we see a blindfolded prisoner being led to his fate as the assembled men around him sing "Happy Birthday, long live the leader, eternal gift to the people." Again with arms tied behind his back he is shoved to the ground, bent over stuffed burlap sacks. A black-clad Fedayeen loosens the prisoner's shirt exposing his back and neck, while another stands two feet from him holding a long silver blade at its curved handle. He raises his arms and strikes, hacking the prisoner's head from his body, tumbling it to the ground. He picks up the severed head by the hair and places it ceremoniously on the dead man's back as the camera pans in closer and closer and you can make out the victim's now lifeless and bloodied face.

Also, check out John McCain's account of when he was a POW.

I've said it before, I'll say it again: Persons who whine about alleged U.S. torture have no idea what real torture is.  Such persons will whine about anything the U.S. Miltary does to give meaning to their insignificant lives.  They are best ignored.

That is all.

Cahnman out.

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You disgust me.

Sodomy, genital mutilation, repeated and consistent psychological and physical abuse to the point where a man is unable to work?

this is somehow not torture simply because Saddaam's torturers were less professional?

Maybe now, you'll understand why people like me, who have seen the aftereffects of 110 bones shattered in a human's body, to the point where doctors are unable to heal them, are so against torture.

Or maybe you're going to start telling me I'm a sissy, you cretin.

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troll

text alludes to profanity to such an extent that it has been deleted by Miss Manners.

I was unaware that Saddam

I was unaware that Saddam Hussein defined the standard of American behavior.  Who prey-tell defines the standard for our health care, Haiti?

Not Haiti -- maybe we'll shoot for GITMO standards?

Via politicsusa.com (http://www.politicususa.com/en/Ensign-GITMO-Healthcare):

While trying to make the case for keeping Guantanamo Bay open as a detention center, Republican Sen. John Ensign said of the detainees, “They get better health care than the average American citizen does.”

Said, of course, without a hint of irony.  Sen. Ensign would have us content ourselves with health care inferior to that provided at Guatanamo.

The linked writer goes on to say:

Ensign opposes healthcare reform and has taken $978,936 from the healthcare industry in campaign contributions since 1989. Why is Ensign bragging about the healthcare for detainees while refusing to support better healthcare for average Americans? That doesn’t seem right to me. Ensign is a Republican whose position on the healthcare is issue is filled with hypocrisy.

I don’t see the notion that detainees have better healthcare than average Americans as something to be proud of. In fact, it should be a source of shame for every member of Congress, and a reason for every American to demand healthcare reform. I guess that Ensign doesn’t believe that average Americans deserve healthcare that is as good as those accused of terrorism.

 

Sen Ensign supports better healthcare for Americans

 

... and he proves it by opposing the bad ideas of the Democrats who threaten to harm healthcare quality, choice and innovations.

 

That remains to be seen.

We'll see whether he begins actively supporting a system that insures all Americans access to at least GITMO-level health care.  One can only hope.

Kudos to Cahnman

We can all hold our noses and sniff at the air and say "yeah,...but we don't do that" all we want. It points toward just how naive we are as Americans regarding how the world really works. I don't think for a minute that our enemies think, "wow...that America is really...moral...I wish I could be like that."

That's just a Democrat-let's-all-hold-hands-and-sing wet dream.

This prison (Abu) should be blown up and made a garden or a park. Get rid of it, so that liberals will stop pointing to what happened there and using it as an excuse. Cheney was right- Abu has nothing to do with Gitmo. 

Removing extreme ways to extract information from our enemies, who, if they had the same opportunity, would smash our hands and split our fingers, then slit our throats after we talked, is foolish and naive.

you know what, you're right.

but that doesn't mean we need to LEGALIZE it and shame ourselves in front of the world.

America gets a lot out of its ideals. Including fewer terrorists.

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Great comments!

I was really encouraged by the good responses to Cahnman's inane post.
Keep up the good work, everybody.

MARCU$

The Torture Canard

House libs with your phony moral posture over how awful GITMO was/is ... this is for you, via LGF:

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/33718_The_Gitmo_Myth_and_the_Tor...

wait, what?

who was talking about Gitmo?

I've generally been talking about our conduct in Afghanistan and Iraq, prisons there, and what we did to a particular prisoner in Morocco, where, according to a military attorney, we genitally mutilated him, repeatedly, with scalpels.

I could talk about GITMO, sure. but why bother? when we can document so many different uses of torture in 'the field'... why restrict ourselves?

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Did American GIs beat and steal from German women in the

Did our GIs beat and steal from German women in the American sector of Berlin, on the grounds that in the Russian sector there was systematic rape? No, I didn't think so.

We set the standards, we don't lower them to just one notch above what the other guy is doing.

But given that you are an asshat who brags about spitting in the face of your fellow Americans who don't happen to share your political views, I'm sure that this concept is utterly lost on you.

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