Waterboarding

Attorney General Eric Holder is wrong - again

Earlier this year,  U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder refused to prosecute members of the Black Panthers who dressed in paramilitary garb outside a Philadelphia polling place last November. The men were brandishing night sticks, pointing them at people, and making racial threats. In the first week of January, the Justice Department filed a civil lawsuit against the New Black Panther Party and three of its members, saying they violated the 1965 Voting Rights Act by scaring voters with the weapon, uniforms and racial slurs. In May, Holder's Justice Department, against the advice of it's own attorneys, dropped the lawsuit, even though the defendants made no response, meaning Justice would have won by default.

Then, on February 17, 2009,  Mr. Holder enlightened us regarding his opinion of the racial progress we have failed to make as a nation. “Though this nation has proudly thought of itself as an ethnic melting pot, in things racial, we have always been, and we, I believe, continue to be, in too many ways, a nation of cowards,” Holder said in remarks to his staff in honor of Black History Month. His comments appear on a transcript provided by the Justice Department.

Earlier in his career,  Holder played a critical role in the pardon of Marc Rich under former President Clinton. Rich was a commodities trader who was indicted in 1983 on 65 counts of tax evasion and other crimes. He fled to Switzerland prior to being prosecuted where he avoided extradition. He eventually arranged to be represented by Jack Quinn, formerly a Clinton White House counsel. Quinn went straight to Holder, then Clinton's deputy attorney general. According to Richard Cohen of the Washington Post, "Holder was not just an integral part of the pardon process, he provided the White House with cover by offering his go-ahead recommendation. No alarm seemed to sound for him. Not only had strings been pulled, but it was rare to pardon a fugitive -- someone who had avoided possible conviction by avoiding the inconvenience of a trial."

Now, Mr. Holder has indicated he plans to investigate members of the Central Intelligence Agency regarding coercive interrogation techniques, namely water-boarding, against terror suspects. At the end of August, he announced his plan to appoint a special prosecutor to conduct the investigations, over the public protests of Leon Panetta, Obama's head of the C.I.A. In fact, President Obama himself has said his desire was not to look back but to move forward. The fact that crucial information was obtained, preventing American deaths and aiding in thedefeat of Al-Queda, seems to have become irrelevant. Besides, this investigation has already been done once by the Justice Department, and with one exception, there was nothing to prosecute.

So, our U.S. Attorney General refuses to prosecute clear and obvious voter intimidation, even when the case is pre-won. He apparently has no issue with tax evasion and fugitives from justice, and believes we are a nation of cowards, racially speaking. But he is eager to investigate the American patriots who obtained critical information from terrorists who want nothing more than to kill Americans and to destroy our way of  life. How does this make us safer? How does this further the pursuit of justice?

Is there anybody in this administration that doesn't think Americans are the bad guys?

 How's that hope and change working out for you?

Muhammed, Bush and Muslim Prejudice

 

I'm noting the intersection today of the criticisms of Muhammed for his 'sins' and the criticisms of the Bush Administration's attitude toward water boarding.

What most people didn't object to in 2002 while the fear of terrorism was a close as their breath, with the subsiding of that fear and memory, the public is now moreso criticizing Bush and Co for failing to live up to American ideals during time of war.

[It is noted that indeed there were many who objected DURING the war.]

In this context, I offer a review of the biography of Muhammed:

To understand the prophet we have to understand the environment he had to work with and the culture of chivalry that he was part of.He was not born in an age of social security, old age homes and political correctness.

Muhammad's mission emerged in a war zone, if u want a modern parallel think of the Krips and Bloods magnified by a thousand, Think ethnic cleansing in Bosnia/Serbia. For those with more historical erudtiion think of Japan in the Muromachi period.

In the midst of such turmoil and suffering a noble warrior emerges, his basic message to the people is that we are all the same, no tribe or person is superior to another there is only one god ie we are all part of the unity of things.

This in a nutshell is the sahadah or testimony of the Islamic faith. He preaches the message in peace at first and maintains this peaceful mission despite persecution of him and his followers. When the persecution becomes too great and the powers that be refuse to change their evil ways, god grants him the authority to fight. Muhammad takes up the mantle for war even though his army is still low in their numbers and their resources pitiful. Miraculously with he help of God, Muhammed an his followers are able to overcome their adversaries and are able to create a new civilisation. This is how a Hollywood movie would portray the prophets life, it's a lot more digestible now isn't it?

Muhammad sanctioned the death of a lot of people, but he spared the lives of a lot of people too even though he would be justified in taking their lives as an example to others or in self defense.

Some people will avoid the truth and become enemies of it,or it is their dharma to protect the old order,rightly or wrongly(as is the case of his own uncle)This will lead to more bloodshed injustice and suffering than if they are allowed to live.

God wont just wave a wand and everyone will be cleansed and purified, this defeats the whole purpose of human existence,destiny and responsibility. When we are able to extricate our limited grasp of the human experience from our cosy suburban cages we can see the true genius of the prophet. In a war situation, a person has to be a warrior, The prophet of Islam is the greatest warrior that ever lived, he did not shy away from the responsibilities and the horrors of war, for someone who was of such a sensitive and ascetic disposition it must have been unbearably painful.In Muhammed we see the personification of Arjuna in the Bhagvad Gita.Muhammed waged war,selflessly and with absolute trust in gods will(bhakti).He did not indulge in the power and privelige his victories bought him(he married mostly widows and died with hardly anything to his name.) In the character of the prophet Muhammad we see the character of God, that is what is meant by his saying `he who has seen me has seen god'. As god says his wrath is great, but his mercy overrideth his wrath.In fact gods wrath is illusionary, it is a mercy in disguise.(that is an esoteric principle which need exploration)

Muhammad was harsh and decisive when necessary, in life harshness is necessary ,let alone in a period of warring states. The harshness he displayed is as the harshness of god. Muhammad was equally generous (he spared the jew that bewitched him,forgave the people of Taif etc etc. He always maintained that the peaceful path was superior to the path of confrontation.

Muhammad and Islam is problem for people who have a problem with accepting reality as it is and want spirituality to be an escape from facing the truth about ourselves and the evil within us.

All Reliogus mythology,in fact all moral systems emerge out of conflict betwen opposing forces,so it seems very peculiar that Islam is singled out as being inhernetly violent, when in fact all moral systems we know in any civilisation have pretty much the same origins.Christ did not bring a new civilisation,he was a reformer of an existing one. Muhammed integrated both yin and yang of the spiritual path.He was able to be the sitting and walking Buddha in one.In his example i can see the spiritual perfection aspired towards by a sage in every religion,he managed to reconcile heaven and earth and mastered and mediated between both.

Muhammad is a true example to all humanity of how spirituality should be exercised in all conditions of life,not just when we have the luxury to live in an ideological bubble.  A truly remarkable Human Being.  

-jin (Amazon book reviewer)

 I also take just a moment to say that I find some comments here concerning those who follow Islam to be as 'extremist' as the recent characterizations here of Islam and the people who practice that faith.

I have known many Muslim people who are in no way extremists, violent or ignorant.

On the whole, of those I've met, I've found them to be intelligent, reverent, and much more mild mannered than most who participate on this blog!

From my studies of the history of all religions it seems apparent that each 'prophet' came asa wayshower to a different population at various times thru history. Mohammed delivered amessage that could be heard and accepted by the desert population of the Middle East, and so it would come as no surprise that it spoke to them 'from where they were'. I find it helpful tohear the teachings (whatever the religion) with that in mind.

Matthew Yglesias is an Idiot: I Have Proof!!!

See Here Umm...Matty, has the thought occurred to you that we might want to mete out worse punishments/interrogation methods for hardcore terrorists than we would for some random street thug?!?

That's just my first thought.

Obama Vows No Torture

Torture in the Military

To the Citizens of America:

 

The U.S. Army tortured me. It began when I was sent by plane to Fort Knox, Kentucky.

 

I arrived wearing only a thin shirt and pants and was forced to stand outside in weather that was almost freezing. Then my clothes were taken from me and my head was shaved. I was put into a crude, ill-fitting uniform while soldiers yelled at me. There were quite a few others with me. We were all afraid, because if we didn’t do what the soldiers said, we were forced to fall to the ground and lie on our stomachs, then try to push ourselves up until our muscles burned with incredible pain while the soldiers yelled at us and used degrading terms.

 

One time they put us all in a long line and other soldiers stuck painful needles in our arms. Another time they put us in a room and filled it with tear gas and made us say our name and a number that they had assigned to us. Every day 20 or so of us were forced to go naked into a room where hot water sprayed from the walls. They used sleep deprivation constantly, and if we fell asleep at the wrong time we were again forced to lie on our stomachs, or even forced to run around the compound holding a heavy wood and metal object over our heads.

 

Some of us broke and were sent away, who knows where. Others, like me, were sent to an even tougher place where a very thick substance called “starch” was added to our uniforms. This “starch” kept any air from going through the crude fabric. We spent several hours a day in stress positions in the hot sun, standing straight up, not even allowed to move our eyeballs. I was forced to do things like jump off a high platform, to carry a heavy sack on my back for miles, and to crawl on my stomach through mud while the soldiers shot machine gun bullets over my head.

 

One day they told me that I had “graduated” and was now something called a Second Lieutenant. Although this happened over 40 years ago, I’ll never forget the experience, and will always be thankful to the Army for making me able to take life’s little annoyances in stride.

 

 

Richard Boren

Scottsdale, AZ 

The next step in Teabagging Parties!

Friends,What I wanna propose is the next step in teabagging protests! As you know, my friends, the Dems wanna make us believe that waterboarding is torture. You know, as well as I do, that that is complete nonsense. It's just a little uncomfortable. Real men, like you and I would NEVER succumb under this. But that sheik was a coward, so he sang like a bird. He had a lot to tell, so we did it 183 times. In a months time this is once every four hours, so really not that much.So, let's show these bastards that it is NOT torture! Organize your very OWN Torture Teaparty!!! Let your self be waterboarded by a friend or friends, make a video of this and upload it to youtube or any site! That will show them cowardly Dems that waterboarding is nothing like torture!! Bronden

 

The Most Emotionally Satisfying thing I did all Day

Greetings from New York City (and yes, I was at THAT YANKEE GAME yesterday) .

Sooo...I'm walking back to my parents' place this afternoon minding my own business.  All of a sudden, out of nowhere, I stumble upon a leftist protest urging President Obama to prosecute 43 and his advisors.  One of the leftists tried to hand me some literature.

I made direct eye contact and spit in his face.

It was one of the most emotionally satisfying things I've ever done.

I hope this helps.

That is all.

Cahnman out.

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