Should you be angry at the “Republican Party” about backing Specter before he bailed on us?

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The short answer is no. The “why not” is a little more complex. There will be some who will now be angry at Sen. Cornyn and the National Republican Senatorial Committee for backing him in the first place. Really? Keep in mind the RNC, NRSC and the NRCC are NOT issue driven organizations. They are member driven organizations with only ONE goal…majority status, that’s it, no other reason for being.

Before I get too academic in my defense of these organizations let me say that Linc Chafee is a scumbag and it made me sick to my core that we defended that waste of space in the 2006 GOP Primary. Ok, had to get that off my chest. I mean at least Specter had the decency to get out before the election and give us time to get our own campaign in place. ****After seeing his comments today that somehow the GOP might have caused Kemp's death I retract any and all statements that Specter may have had some class.
Now back to the Party. Just a bit of clarification for those not familiar with the committees in DC and how they work. These definitions are my own and in NO way represent any official mission of the committees…this is my “unofficial” take on what they really are all about-
·         Republican National Committee – take the White House back and keep it…that is it…end of story.
·         National Republican Senatorial Committee – defend current Republican Senators, win open seats and then knock off Democrat incumbents. Those are listed in order of priority.
·         National Republican Congressional Committee – defend current Republican Members of Congress, win open seats and knock off Democrat incumbents. Those are listed in order of priority.
So if you want the committee to be ideologically pure you should cool your jets. They are not think tanks, they are membership retention organizations. If you are mad at the NRSC for backing Specter in the first place call your own Senator and yell at him/her.
Is the RNC not conservative enough for you? Then check your state party. State Party too liberal for you? Work your county party.
Tis’ the season of our collective Republican discontent and the party apparatus is a convenient punching bag. Here is the real lurking danger…Years ago Democrats were angry that their National Party was not “Progressive” enough so their unions, lawyers and environmental groups hammered it to splinters. Now they are a collective lurching group of special interests.
Is that what we really want for Republicans?

 

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A short answer to your question would be...

Yes.  You cannot with a straight face say the Democratic Party of 2009 is analagous to the Democratic Party of 1999.  The grassroots have done an amazing job of opposing wishy/washy politicians and throughing their support behind quality candidates.  They have also been rationale enough to realize idealogical purity is a pipe dream and push the best possible candidate for the state.  If the party bigwigs push Arlen Specter over a "real" Democrat come primary season, especially if he is unwilling to play ball on EFCA or public health care, then I will stand corrected.

The Republicans should actively work to oust David Vitter.  The party cannot in good faith push his re-election.  If he wins his primary anyway....not their fault.

Actually, Chris, you have it a bit wrong...

The chamber/caucus campaign committees are mostly about helping to recruit and identify strong candidates who CAN WIN a general election and not some FarRightPurity contest.

In that case, the NRSC was right to endorse Specter before his jump because he was the right candidate to win the general election in PA.  PA voters, statewide, will not support a radical, mean-spirited, ideologically stunted regressive idiot like Pat2Me!!!.

Pat2Me!!! is all about Pat, 24x7.  He and his Club4Greed thugs beat up countless solid GOP moderate candidates across the US in the hope to promote their own brand of candidate more in line with their regressive, stunted, out-of-step politics.  They are the purveyors of cynicism and anger and, frankly, the GOP and conservatives generally would be better off withOUT them in the Party.  We need Pat2Me!!! like the Democrats need FredPhelps.

Pat2Me!!! may very well HAVE BEEN able to draw a narrow, niche-driven majority of voters to the GOP primary in PA to defeat Specter... people I don't think of as the GOP's "base" but as a group of whining, piss-in-their-boots angry white men still mad at McCain for being some kind of ObamaLite, or mad at Chaffee for being part of a much longer, more noble tradition in the GOP of progressive politics --or mad because the US isn't on the GoldStandard or think the world's problems would be solved by de-recognizing the PDR of China or taking back the Panama Canal.  If Pat2Me!!! had won the PA primary, it wouldn't have been because rank&file GOPers voted for him... it'd be because his brand of politics drove reasonable GOPers from the polls and his narrow band of crazy brethren would have dominated that moment in time... only to lose miserably in the real election that mattered --the General.

I'm hoping that TomRIdge gets into the race and, as a moderate who can win the GOP primary AND beat Specter --thus winning the PA Senate seat for the GOP-- he nails Pat2Me!!!'s coffin shut and put a spike through the rancid heart of the Club4Greed idiots who brought us the Wall St and Main St melt downs.

The RNSC is about candidate recruitment... not choosing the ultra-pure over the pure.  The best thing the RNSC can do now for all PA voters --and America in general-- is recruit TomRidge to run in the GOP primary, help him beat to a pulp the Pat2Me!!! types and go on to beat Specter as a Democrat.

It's a win-win all around and the RNSC can help make it happen; as they should.  I'd love to see LiddyDole, Linc Chaffee and hundreds of other "supposed" RINOs come to PA and campaign for reason to be restored to the GOP.

 

*jaw drops*

wow... you're talking sense. horse sense.

let me know if you want to ride in the derby next year. ;-)

Specter throw under the Bus Why???

Pat Toomey will not have a chance win senate election in PA because you have to go after a way boarder base of voters to win senate races.   Run Tom Ridge in primary will give the GOP a chance to win senate PA election.   Politcal purtiy tests dont work if you want to majority party.  Tom Delay," the Hammer", knew that one its better for them to be 80% with Republican party  than get someone from the opposing party that voting 100% against you on every issuse pragmatism is key.

Specter

Didn't blame the GOP on Kemp's death.  He said that if we had focused on Nixon's War-on-Cancer since *1970*, Kemp might be alive today.  Do you disagree that 38 years of investment in cancer research might have helped?  That's not a GOP or Dem thing - both parties have been in power over that time frame, both in the Executive and Legislative branches over that period.

 

Rising, didn't you mean that your muzzle dropped?

Not talking horse sense; just common sense.  Of course, given that you stand in horsesh*t all day of your own making, you'd probably be better able to judge what "horse sense" is, not me.

haven't spent much time around horses, have ya?

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/horse+sense

and now we have to muzzle ya again.

Well, it'd be easier than muzzling you, RisingPile.

NRSC was right

The NRSC was right to have supported Specter. It is a member driven organization that gets the bulk of its money from Republican senators. I don't know Specter's history of giving to the organization since he was elected, but if he had any reasonable history of giving, he should have gotten their backing this year (until he swithed parties, obviously). Giving money in years you don't have a (tough) re-elect to help other members of your caucus should get your support when you have a fight on your hands. If I'm a senator and think there's a chance the NRSC might not have my back when I need their help, they are going to have that much harder of a time getting money from me when I don't need it and they do.

Good points Skeeball,

Good points Skeeball, thanks.

Good points? LOL. No, still inaccurate & misleading

For a group of folks who pretend to know how Washington inside politics are played, there's some serious misunderstandings in this thread.  As Chris wrote: " Just a bit of clarification for those not familiar with the committees in DC and how they work."  I think you're the guy who needs some campaign learnin' about how DC committees work.

Chris argues that the NRSC is first a member retention program.  Further, that it's a membership driven organization. Skeeball offers that the NRSC gets a majority of its $$ from the incumbent Senators and if Specter gave, he deserved endorsement.  Chris compounds the misunderstanding further with "good points, skeeball, tx".

Guys, the NRSC is a political action committee who gets a bulk of it's money from individuals (86% in 08) who ARE NOT members of the Senate.  It gets a lion's share of funds from various other PACs and corporate-organized PACs (see here: http://query.nictusa.com/cgi-bin/com_rcvd/C00027466/).

Contrary to Chris' assertion, the long standing tradition of the NRSC is NOT to assist incumbent Senators, NOT to engage in contested primary battles.  The time-tested rationale (usually taught in Political Campaigns 101, btw): if an incumbent GOP Senator can't do what is necessary to stay in office, that's their problem --the NRSC is about candidate recruitment, campaign services like polling & GOTV efforts, open seat funding, increasing the majority of GOP Senators.  If a senator can't make the grade as an incumbent, then you can bet the NRSC isn't going to spare scarce resources to "save them".

Second, contrary to the assertions above, Senators aren't the biggest contributors to the NRSC.  In fact, in 2008, all of them combined gave less than $1m (about 0.05%) to the NRSC's tally.  (http://www.fec.gov/press/press2008/20080609party/6ptysen152008.pdf)  Of those contributions, nearly 80% of them were to pay for services rendered at the request of the invididual Senator for campaign consultancy services in political races the particular Senator had an interest in (like a House race or a local race) or to access/pay for mailing list management services for their own races.

You guys it get wrong when you suggest the NRSC is some kind of membership driven organization.  Members, except at the highest level of giving, have little impact on the actions of the NRSC -and then it's indirect, at best.  There's no "members rights" in this "membership-driven" organization.  The averageJoe contributor to the NRSC are people who share a common concern: they believe their interests would be better served if the Senate were in GOP hands rather than in Democrat hands.  And that usually means they share an ideological fraternity with GOP Senators and fellow contributors to the NRSC.

Can they vote on who the NRSC endorses? No.  Can they direct the Chair to do x, y, or z? No.  Can they withdraw their membership and get a refund? No.  The membership angle is a fiction -a way of making contributors feel like they are a part of some exclusive club.  The only thing the membership usually provides is a flurry of further political solicitations.

Let's stop pretending to appear to know how Washington works if you are clueless.  It only feeds the anger and cynicism that is rampant right now inside and outside the GOP.  To offer, as Chris does, that if we don't like we should call our own Senators and yell about it is both immature and grossly naive.  It's corrosive and untoward what should be Job One: getting back the majority in both chambers, winning important state contests in 2010, and winning back the WH in 2012.  First, there's a 99.9% chance the Senator will never learn of your angry phone call... second, it's about as unproductive and ineffective as joining the Libertarians.

Frankly, I'd expect better intelligence here on something that most political activists FIRST study in Political Campaigns 101.  Membership driven NRSC that protects incumbents?  Right, when pigs fly.  Get it right or keep quiet, eh?

Thanks for not sugar coating

Thanks for not sugar coating it Matt.