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The Political “Strategery” Guide To White People
Yes, I said white people and yes I know “Strategery” is not a word.
So why do we need a political map for white people? Aren’t they all the same? No.
It continues to amaze me how many involved in politics (including the press) will make great strides to stratify Latino and Asian voters by their appropriate subgroups but then make almost no effort to better understand white voters. I recently read Sen. Jim Webb’s book Born Fighting on the history of Scots-Irish Americans (sorry to all my GOP friends in VA). This is a must read for people in politics who are looking to better understand rural, southern and Appalachian voters.
This attitude that white voters are somehow a monolithic voting bloc is a relatively new phenomenon. I recently bought a GOP poll book for the 1898 election in IL on Ebay and it was incredible to see how some things change a lot and some not at all. It was a detailed list of all the voters in a various precinct used by the Party’s Precinct Chair for the purpose of voter turnout. It listed each voter with several points of data, interestingly the “Ethnicity” section was divided into Italian, German, Irish, Polish, White and other. Hilarious. The reality of course is that the longer these groups stayed in American the more they lost touch with their individual group identities. So do all these voters now fit into a great big bowl of vanilla?
White voters affiliation with their grand parents and great parents ethnic background may be watered down but how else can you explain these differences.
- The Scandinavian and democrat leaning voters of Minnesota and Wisconsin.
- The German and Republican leaning voters of Ohio and Indiana.
- The Polish and democrat leaning voters of Chicago.
- The Scots Irish and (newly) Republican leaning voters of the Old South.
- The Irish and democrat leaning voters of Boston and New York.
Of course country of origin is only part of this identity. Often the religion and early economic class of many of these groups pushed them into the arms of either party.
So how are Irish and Scots Irish backgrounds different? In a nutshell, Socts Irish got to American first , settled (or migrated) in the south and west and were Protestant. Irish were Catholic, came later and settled mostly in cities in the north. The history of the early Scots Irish is truely American. They were originally from lowland areas of Scotland and were Presbyterian. The English moved thousands of them to Ulster in Ireland to help quell the Irish, quickly the English realized they could not control either group so they began to ship these very poor settlers to “buffer” areas in between the wealthy English gentry and the Indians. The original “40 acres and a mule” program. These early Scots Irish moved into the south and Appalachia extensively. They had some interesting characteristics that many would recognize today. They were religious, gun loving, family oriented rural people who had a deep distrust of central authority.
So when you are trying to figure out messaging and strategy for voters make sure you talk to your pollster about ALL of the subgroups for each ethnicity.
Chris Faulkner


Comments
Ethnicity is an important factor.
I am a third generation Italian-American. But most of the "white folk" , who have very little ethnic sensitivity to begin with, consider me one of them. It's pretty funny when the rail against illegal immigrants because they automatically assume that a fellow "white" like me, would surely agree with their anti-Mexican views. They don't know that unlike them I have a keen sense of my own history and know that I have illegal immigrants on both sides of my family just two or three generations ago.
My grandfather on my Dad's side was born in Sicily but immigrated (illegally) at nine years old. He became a US citizen when he showed up at the courthouse and said in his perfect unaccented English, "I'm here to register to vote." They registered him with no questions and no proof of citizenship. In Alabama in the 40's anyone could register as long as they weren't a damn nigra.
Even though technically I guess I am white. Myself and fellow Italian Americans frequently refer to "white people" as the others. Probably many "white" ethnic groups do the same thing. All we mean by the term is clueless Caucasians who have no sense at all of their own ethnic history outside America.
you're proud of your history, and god save you
if you believe in him, that is (if not, may he save you anyway along with your free spirit!)
Jews call everyone else "goy"... but coming from a minority trading peoplle, I think that's even less of a compliment than what most people call "The Other"
Interesting
Have you considered joining mexica-movement.org? I'm sure they'd love to have you. Oops, or maybe not.
Alternatively, you could join the National Council of Ethnic-Americans; see an Obama recruiter. No WASPs need apply; the head shape/bump test is fast and free!
As for the rest of all this, perhaps the GOP should avoid the same Gramsci trap as the Dems have fallen into and are rolling around in.
yay capture marriages are a wonderful part of american life
please, folks, there's a reason that the quakers kicked them out.
Jim Webb's book is fantastic, btw. He's a great storyteller, and you can tell how much he loves his people.
Germans don't seem too Republican leaning to me -- unless you're talking Dutch Amish.
Book to read:
http://www.amazon.com/Albions-Seed-British-Folkways-America/dp/0195069056
It's amazing but you do still see cultural differences.
Illinois/Indiana -- heartland of the Republican Party
NewHampshire -- fiscal mavericky
Restof NewEngland -- hard core fiscal conservative progressives
MidAtlantic -- muddlesome, Quaker "we get along -- except for the Scots Irish"
Northern States (Montana to Minnesotta) -- freedom loving, honest to a fault, farmers.
Read some train logs, and you'll see the character of our country, in all its varied glory.
Appalachia can be an awfully scary place (like any place with extreme poverty, honestly)
Albion's Seed
RisingTide thanks for the great comments. I just bought Albion's seed and it is quite a read.
I was thinking more Dutch Amish Republicans like you find in PA, OH and IN.
rofl. so you were thinking along those lines!
yeah, Germans in general like orderly things -- which is more of a Republican tendency than a Democrat, I think. But I think they tend to be "good government" people in general, like many of the Scandinavian countries.
Quakers are just America's first hippies. gotta love 'em
KSA shouldn't have been
KSA shouldn't have been supported Buy Essay or given safe haven in Iraq, but I'm not sure how much we actually did other then turning a blind eye to them.
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Love this type of stuff
If you've ever read Michael Barone's "Our Country", you can see how the political preferences of certain ethnic/racial groups can remain unchanged over centuries. Generally, ethnic/racial groups migrate together, "taking over" some place (Scotch-Irish in Appalachia, Irish in Boston, Cubans in Miami, etc.). Then as they assimilate into American life, they spread out, mix with other groups, and become mainstream. At first, only an English Protestant was "truly American". Then it was all white Protestants. Then all white people. Right now, we are working on integrating all people. It's not over yet, but hopefully it will happen.
There's more distinctiveness among say, Lutherans in rural Minnesota than a German-Irish-Italian mix living in a modern suburb. I think these differences will evaporate over time, but it will find its greatest expression in places where no one will move to, like Appalachia or rural Great Plains. They will hold on to their ancestral culture the longest.
the swiss seem to have practically disappeared
from Appalachia. So some folks will move there.. ;-)
Becoming mainstream means becoming white.
I dunno about that.
As people have been taught that “whiteness” is shameful, they look to create a new identity. Since the 70's, Scandinavians have seen a boom in weird ancient rituals like lutefisk. Anything to be different! In the meantime, church pews grow empty. Christianity is seen as something for stuffy white folks.
Secularists might delight in the fact that people are leaving behind supersititions. But a lot of people are replacing their religion with neo-paganism & mysticism. A lot of positive traditions are being replaced with some that are, frankly, silly.
Not around here
Church pews aren't empty around here. There were members from 8 different families this past week at our churches "newbie" class (us included, as we've finally got to the Lutheran church nearest us after moving.) One really nice thing the Pastor said was that he saw a big difference between faith and religion. Everyone can understand faith, while religion can turn people blank.
I think the point is, we're not all the same, no matter what outward characteristics we have.
wow! how very profound.
(with the caveat that even the folks who don't believe in the Bearded One in the sky can have faith in their fellow men, or science or tons of other things ;-)
[no, I'm not trying to start trouble, nor be sarcastic. I'm just gabby.]
so long as the silly traditions are still positive
... and not say devil worshipping ;-)
I don't mind people taking pride in traditions, even old ones that they unearth from god knows where.
But I am much more disturbed by the militancy of the new faces in the religious right.
Many people are adrift and looking for a place to belong. silly religions like Discordianism give them that, at least.
See the same faces on the left
You can see the same faces on the far left. ALF and ELF come to mind. They are just as nutty, and militant as any you'll find on the far right.
Any ideology that preaches that there is no moral restraint in using force, coercion, or deception to achieve one's goals, no matter how noble those goals are, should be immediately suspect.
People who are confident in their faith don't need to be militant in trying to spread it, nor do they need to respond negatively to jabs at what they believe in.
hallelujah brother, and so let it be!
yeah, I despise ELF and ALF just as much as the religious whacko right. The difference being that ELF and ALF are not actively running (or trying to take over) state governments. They simply don't have enough support -- and thank god for that!
What are your thoughts on realpolitick? Or did you really like Jimmy Carter's foreign policy? (apologies, but he's about the only idealist president I can think of. my knowledge of history ain't that great, granted, but still)
Bush was 1/2 idealist
Realpolitick, well, the ends don't always justify the means. But, there are a lot of variables to weigh in the relations between competing powers. Which part of Carter's foreign policy? The part where he didn't do anything against Iran, or the part where he started funding the mujhadin to help defeat the Soviets?
I'd love to see the world a place of peace, where resources weren't scarce, and true poverty (physical/mental/spiritual) was a thing of the past. It's a worthy goal, but how we get there is more important important then actually being there. You can't create paradise on the backs of slaves.
So, while I think dropping atom bombs on Japan was a horrible thing to do, invading Japan and causing even greater destruction would have been a worse choice. In that case it was definetly a matter of choosing the lessor of two evils.
I think there needs to be a better balance between idealism and realism in policy, both foreign and domestic. Sometimes doing nothing is the least worse thing you can do for someone. Sometimes a quick kick in the butt is what's needed. I'm for intervening for humanitarian reasons, and helping to pick up the pieces when nation states fail. I wouldn't be against quietly tipping the balance to make non-representative states fail. Non-violent means ought to be our preference, but in the end,
Si vis pacem, para bellum
I'm much more of a realpolitick person than you are
(and Carter was an idealist in all things foreign, including the Camp David talks).
I firmly believe that America's Interests Come First -- however, humanitarian interventions ARE in our best interest, particularly in places like the Middle East and South America, where in general we have a very bad name.
I disagree very strongly with removing democratically elected governments like the one in Iran (don't know so much about Venezuela. looks like demagoguic presidents can be popularly elected, but that's obviously not desirable).
It's in our interest to stabilize shaky places, and to allow them to develop organic forms of democracy (even if those include sharia law).
realpolitik
That's not realpolitik. Realpolitik is supporting the guys we like over the guys we don't like, even if the "guys we like" are murderous thug dictators and the "guys we don't like" are democratically elected. So if you really do favor realpolitik then you should be supportive of bombing Iran and overthrowing Chavez, right?
I think Iran makes a far better ally than KSA does.
that's part of my version of realpolitik. And I think Chavez is mostly harmless, so why not keep the oil-country on our side, at least until it stops giving us oil at market prices?
Okay, maybe I'm in favor of judicious use of realpolitik -- using military and non-military (soft) ways of pressuring governments. It would take something really extreme to make me want to invade a sovereign country, as I don't think that would be good for America under most circumstances.
Broad support for democratic rights
There are other groups in Iran we should be supporting, while maintaining cool but cordial dialog with the government of Iran. KSA shouldn't have been supported or given safe haven in Iraq, but I'm not sure how much we actually did other then turning a blind eye to them.
We ought to also be working more in concert with other nations. I like the idea of a G20 summit that would make decisions like that in unison. If things are tragic enough to warrant intervention, like in Somalia now, or the Sudan, it benefits all of the G20 to do their best to support the effort. Yeah, that means Chinese troops, alongside American troops, but so what. I don't have nearly as much of a beef with China now, then say 20 or 30 years ago. They are improving.
Above all, it should be more then a temporary intervention. The Sudan and Somalia need a top to bottom makeover. With enough troops to keep the peace, you also have to have enough people to negotiate and help structure a framework for peace. And you have to have legitimacy for the effort. If the G20 backed it, it'd be easier to get things through the UN, for instance.
None of this would cede our national security interests. We would still be in control of our own troops and money. Just sharing the responsibility once a decision was made.
yeah, I'll go along with that.
since when was KSA in Iraq? I sorta get that we either let Iraq go into KSA, Egypt or Iran's sphere of influence, but I didn't think anyone other than Iran was making terribly overt moves.
Yeah, I like the whole idea of making big projects -- "group projects"
Wrong Acronymn
I was thinking of a terrorist group that was active in NW Iran, that had been crossing over into Iraq sometimes.
From your reaction, I take you meant KSA = Kingdom of Saudi Arabis.
Stability Shouldn't Be The Goal
I don't think stability is a good enough goal. That means accepting the status quo of some nations being able to enslave parts of their population. Where did stability get us from 1946 - 2001?
Now, I'm not saying we should go in and overthrow every petty tyrant. But, quietly supporting the opposition in such places, sure. If they gain enough support and become the legitimate government, we've probably grown ourselves a more friendly nation. I would even go so far as supporting armed insurgencies against dictators and tyrants. For truly democratically elected governments, we should intervene using soft power. Supporting opposition groups, calling for transparency and accountablity, sanctioning them.
Read Thomas Barrnett for where some of my thinking on this comes from.
so who do you think Obama should talk to on the West Bank?
we have hamas, a shadow gov't, and fatah, who essentially controls about a block of territory at the pleasure of hamas' military.
Obama's a great realpolitik guy. ready to nuke either pakistan or india if they get out of hand (read start nuking each other). Problem is, do they take messages like that as a threat or a promise?
Would you have supported the Nepalese Communist party, in their quest to overthrow the despotic monarchy?
That's what starts to get me -- if you say it is acceptable to meddle in another country's business, well, what if everyone does? Then you get the Congo, which is a total mess.
I like spreading democracy. Can we please spread it to Russia now? ;-)
Everyone
Syria, factions in Lebanon, Jordan, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Israel, Egypt, Iran, Turkey. West Banks neighbors, and their neighbors neighbors.
They've all got their hands in the pot.
I think removing Saddam got us one step closer to achieving a lasting peace in the Middle East. Of course, there's a whole lot more steps we've got to take.
With whose tax dollars hm? :)
I'd prefer not spending billions trying to support democracy in every country with a two-bit thug... let them slug it out amongst each other.
My preference has always been
My preference has always been to translate the DOI, Constituion and Bill of Rights into the target language,
Then drop packages with that, plus a pistol w/ ammunition, and some MRE's by the hundreds of thousands into the area we want change.
Once men and women can defend themselves, then they can stand free and demand their rights.
But, that's not practical solution, it's my sci-fi solution.
That's why I said above, violence would be a last resort, and it should be a equally shared responsibility. Free their markets, free their minds. If there are obstacles to that, then work with others to remove the obstacles. A bigger, more open market benefits everyone, although it does come with its own set of risks.
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