Joe Pesci on Liberaltarianism

George Mason Associate Professor of Economics Bryan Caplan made his first trip to one of Brink Lindsey's Liberaltarian Roundtable dinners and writes at EconLog:

In any case, it is silly for liberals and libertarians to sit around offering each other "deals." Even ignoring the mistrust, there's a more fundamental problem: Neither of us can deliver what we're "offering." What does it even mean for me to tell Ezra Klein, "I'll agree to redistribution if you agree to a free market?" I might as well offer him the Brooklyn Bridge in exchange for the Fountain of Youth.

I have been a big fan of Brink's since I first bought Against the Dead Hand off of Amazon at the suggestion of Instapundit. But Bryan's reaction to his first Liberaltarian discussion is the exact same reaction I have every time I watch Brink talk about his frustration with Barack Obama on Bloggingheads. This scene from Casino pretty much sums it up:

Brink just does not get the true nature of the Democratic party. The Democratic party is not controlled by the Ezra Klein's of the world who are for taxing employee health benefits. The Democratic Party is controlled by AFSCME, SEIU, the NEA, the AFT, and the UAW,. Unions don't care about the awesome ideas of Brink and Ezra. Watch NEA General Counsel Bob Chanin admit as much in this video (skip to 21:38):

Chanin says:

Despite what some among us would like to believe [the NEA is effective] not because of our creative ideas; it is not because of the merit of our positions; it is not because we care about children; and it is not because we have a vision of a great public school for every child.

The NEA and its affiliates are effective advocates because we have power. And we have power because there are more than 3.2 million people who are willing to pay us hundreds of million of dollars in dues each year because they believe that we are the unions that can most effectively represent them; the union that can protect their rights and advance their interests as education employees. ...

When all is said and done, NEA affiliates must never lose sight of the fact that they are unions. And what unions do first and foremost is represent their members.

The Democratic Party, to its core, is about growing and maintaining the power of the state ... which just happens to also be the fastest growing sector of the labor movement. Big labor supplies the bodies and the money for Democratic campaigns, especially in primaries. Big labor could care less about most of Brink's proposed common ground with liberals. Civil liberties, censorship, drug policy ... big labor doesn't care about these issues. And Brink's concern with "extreme assertions of executive power"? How's that TARP justified government/union takeover of the auto industry rubbing libertarians these days?

And what about the stuff that Brink used to care about? You know, fighting off the dead hand off the state? How's that going? How is Obama doing in that area, on health care, energy, and industrial policy?

I realize Brink is taking a long view with his liberaltarian project, but big labor's control over the Democratic Party is growing under Obama, not receding. I'll grant that under Obama Brink will eventually witness policy victories on same sex marriage, decreased defense spending, and amnesty (which will only happen if it is guaranteed to swell the rolls of the SEIU).

But on every other issue that Brink cares about, the Bob Chanin's of the world are gonna whup Brink's butt every time. In other words, if Brink thinks he can change the actual policies pursued by actual Democrats in office, then, in Joe Pesci's words, "you better get your own f****ing army, pal."

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what?

This just seems like an unfocused rant.

Is there a point in there somewhere?

The point

..is, as usual, Liberals And All Those Who Consort With Them Suck.

But I don't think Joe Pesci's character in "Casino" is at all a good role model for the Next Right.  If I recall, after failing to consolidate their big score, he and his brother are clubbed to death with baseball bats and buried in sandy, shallow graves in the Nevada desert.

Come to think of it, though, that IS a likely scenario for the Right in 2010, so, yeah.  If Pesci turns you on with his sociopath swagger and psychotic little-guy macho, go for it.

just so we're all on the same page...

...the point is that liberaltarianism is a counterproductive fools errand for libertarians who want to see their ideas actually reflected in public policy.

...and Pesci is not meant to represent The Next Right. He represents the Bob Chanin's of the world who will never allow libertarian ideas to become the policy platform of the Democratic Party.

Conn, nice piece. Well written; on-target for the l-L promoters

Thanks for restating what your point was --to be blunt, anyone who read your piece could understand that was the point UNLESS they have an axe to grind, a flag to hoist or a missing brain.

I think for some of the farLeft, Obama-apologists who routinely comment here, it's mostly the latter case.

If the broader Libertarian vote segment in 08 was about 4% and 1) Barr got his infamous 510k Libertarian Party votes and 2) Obama-McCain did split 53-38% to Obama's favor, I have to ask why do liberals (small l) even care about catering to the whacky, slightly off-kilter, horribly contentious lot of activists known as Libertarians?  It's not like the liberals can "sell" them anything... besides, one round of sweeping amnesty for illegals or more Stimulus and housing reform money for vote-producing ACORN will swamp any votes the Libertarians can bring to the table.

"Liberaltarians" are like the 19thC Know-Nothings... a group in search of any meaning, in search of any concensus, in search of even one idea for a foundation of trust, and in search of reality.  And like the 18thC Anti-federalists, doomed to certain failure.

The only thing that connects them -liberals and Libertarians- is the self-promoting "conversationalists" who think bridging such a huge gap of divergent, antagonistic interests will lead to something worthwhile... or fusionists who think promoting an idea as death-knelled as "Liberaltarians" can replace responsible, meaningful dialogue on natl policy.

 

The term is "useful idiot"

that describes anyone who aligns with a statist or an authoritarian expecting to have their own policy agenda advanced.

Actually , Jimbo, the better analog to Pesci are all of the supporters who became inconvenient to Obama and got "thrown under the bus". (Wright et al)  Nicky in Casino got blamed for screwing up the Mob's sweet deal in Vegas, and he got thrown under more than a bus.

Soo..

..Conn, if that was your point, I don't think I would have gotten it without your additional post..

And Ironman, if I understand your post, you're claiming that the President is akin to the Vegas Mob?? Overdramatizing much? And further, a point with no relation to the point Conn says he was making.

Similes, metaphors, and personifications... even though I got a perfect score on the verbal part of the SAT, they still haunt me!  LOL

Oh, and by the way, Glenn Beck's craaaazy book has dumped Levin's craaazy Conservative Manifesto all the way down to the remainders pile now, and it never got to sell even a million copies, about the same or fewer than your standard Al Franken book, so you can stop using Levin's "statist" slur.  It's sooo last year!

 

jeez, I respond to your own stuff

and you make it sound like my idea.. Please

BTW, re "standard Al Franken book". Isn't that a contradiction in terms?

We should all support Obama

right and left, and middle. No shit!

I'm convince that if you took a politician from either side, stuffed a good idea up their bottom and sewed it shut, they'd probably find a way to throw it up later. But . . .

Obama has a chance of nominating three (maybe more) supreme court justices. Most likely they'll be left of center and even more hopefully left. That's good because lefties may be the only one's to strike down incorporation. That pulls the rug out of campaign contributions from either unions or companies.

Of course conservatives or a . . .constructionist like Scalia could say incorporation is B.S. but as with the health care debate . . . conservatives are lazy, do-nothing fucks. At least until 'activist' liberals do something. And then they seem to have a 'plan'.

Until then, government is a power game. Some aligned with Reps and other aligned with Dems. I think the chances of striking down incorporation is very small, but again, I give to activist Dems. Reps are as useless as a wet stick. Until then the vast amounts of money to be made from the goverment make any discussion here a mere act of self entertainment.

 

Touche

 I loved Against the Dead Hand too, but this is a totally fair cop, mainly because Lindsey should have know better. He's read Hayek and Sowell and Postrel and fully knows the basic premises of the statist left, and understands the implications of those premises: at the end of the day, freedom is completely irreconcilable with the left's worldview. 

Casino anaolgy & CR

Conn - I got the Casino analogy and my vergal SAT was nowhere near perfect.  In fact, lots of those NEA thugs are just like Pesci.

By the way JimDandy - Pesci & his brother were ball-batted in a corn field in Indiana, not in the Nevada desert.  Watch the movie again.  

CR - you need to brush up on your English translation.  Are you talking about corporations?  Great idea--- get rid of all corporations.  That would really work out well wouldn't it.?  Are you really Hugo Chavez?