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Accepting Global Warming
Crossposted at Right Minds
If there is one thing that all conservatives agree on, it is that the theory of manmade global warming is a myth. It’s all hype perpetuated by overzealous environmentalists who want to impose their nigh religious environmental hysteria on everyone. All the scientific claims supporting global warming are part of a giant hoax to spread fear about the health of the earth. But conservatives are not fooled.
In reality, they are fooling themselves. Global warming is happening, and people are responsible. (Not solely responsible, of course, but humanity’s actions have a large impact). Whatever conservatives believe about global warming (their narrative varies) is wrong.
Conservatives can’t seem to keep their story straight regarding global warming. Sometimes it’s that the earth isn’t warming at all (“it hasn’t warmed in ten years!”), other times it’s that it is but we aren’t responsible (“natural cycles”), and sometimes that humanity’s carbon emissions are insignificant compared to other sources of carbon dioxide (“cows/volcanoes/some other non-manmade cause emits way more carbon dioxide than humans do”!).
This inability to decide on a narrative doesn’t say much for the scientific rigor of the anti-global warming side. Those who disagree with the theory of global warming seem willing to seize on any possible interpretation of the available data, as long as it fits one of their theories. Even if the theories contradict each other (the earth’s temperatures can’t be holding steady and rising due to global warming at the same time), climate change deniers just try to accept both.
The “natural cycles” theory is the most common among global warming opponents, since it’s pretty clear that the earth has been warming and if humans are causing global warming, worrying about alternate sources of carbon dioxide emissions (like volcanoes or cows) is beside the point.
The natural cycles theory has two very large weak points. The first is that even if we are in a natural warming cycle, human activity could still have a hand in global warming. Human activity could very well be warming the earth, even if it is already in a warming cycle.
Also, there isn’t really any real evidence to suggest that we are in a warming cycle. It’s a possibility, but simply proposing alternate hypotheses doesn’t prove anything at all. There has to be some evidence backing it up, and there is precious little evidence to back up this theory.
The rest of the anti-global warming arguments are even worse. The weakest goes that since some scientists predicted global cooling during the seventies, and were wrong then, then all those scientists predicting global warming must be wrong now. This is pretty flimsy reasoning, especially since there were very few scientists at any time who seriously suggested that the planet was cooling.
Another idea is that since so many global warming advocates undeniably see preventing climate change as more of a religion than anything else, then climate change must be wrong. Of course, this doesn’t alter the scientific arguments at all, and is a simple ad hominem attack.
The case for global warming is simple, and logical. Carbon dioxide is a greenhouse gas, which means it traps heat from the sun. Human activity has increased the amount of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere by a significant amount since the Industrial Revolution. Over that time, earth’s temperatures have risen. The reasoning seems conclusive.
Most scientists agree, since there really is a consensus about global warming. Ever wonder why anti-global warming people advertise every single scientist that agrees with them, no matter how sketchy his credentials (does the founder of Weather Channel really qualify as an expert on climate?), while those who believe in climate change seem to have every scientist in the world on their side?
That’s because almost every scientist believes, to some degree or another, in manmade global warming. And unless there is a massive conspiracy to promote global warming, or every scrap of scientific data is being reading wholly incorrectly, then the scientific world’s belief in climate change is an indicator of whom the science favors in this argument.
If people are causing global warming, that fact doesn’t necessarily mean that everyone must wholly agree with Al Gore on everything. For myself, I believe that global warming is an inevitable part of human development, and that we would be better served by planning for a world in which global warming is a reality, instead of futilely trying to prevent it. But wherever one stands on this issue, ignoring the science and clinging to a ridiculous idea that global warming isn’t happening serves no one.


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This is absurd
Its like saying that the world has agreed on one economic theory, that its correctness is unquestionable and undeniable, and that everyone simply needs to adopt it now to avoid certain ruin.
I will continue to question global warming, and the more people tell me to stop questioning it, the more inquisitive I become.
The political and economic stakes are extrememly high. When politicians like Obama say that global warming is an urgent issue, and then come up with a solution like cap and trade, how are we supposed to take him seriously?
No, it is exactly the opposite
because economics is not a science in the way that physical sciences are. The are innumerable instances where "the world has agreed" on scientific theories - do you see anyone arguing that germs don't cause disease, that atoms don't have protons, electrons and neutrons?
In contrast, economics is, ultimately, about human behavior.
because all economists think it's a good idea?
right left and centre, they all love cap and trade.
In economics, there are things that everyone basically agrees on -- "central planning" works worse than "traditional economy" works worse than "mixed/market economy"
Global warming is like that, in climatology.
I'm sure if I pulled the papers, I could come up with 100 different models that all purport to extrapolate current data into the future.
But when you're disagreeing with interpolations, you're probably off. And that's the problem with the global warming deniers -- they're disagreeing with interpolations of massively multivariate datasets.
And you can guarantee that
And you can guarantee that these massively multivariate datasets include everything and weight every variable with 100% accuracy? I would bet that all 100 models show a different result. Why not pick one and and shut down debate on the other 99?
As for economics, which one would think would be "easy" compared something as complex as global warming, why can't we even agree on the budget deficit and national debt for one country?
teehee. no, see, temperature is something that is understood.
Temperature can be defined as the average energy in each degree of freedom in the particles in a system.
NOBODY would say that these massively multivariate datasets (I doubt you understand the term) include everything and weigh everything with 100% accuracy. What a flipping strawman!
My point is, that there is a vigorous debate going on in the scientific community -- it just doens't include global warming deniers, as the interpolated data does not support that idea. In fact, it actively falsifies it -- in science, you can't prove a theory, but you can disprove it. Basic inductive logic, that.
A conservative, if he were worthy of the name, would argue for choosing the most risk-adverse model to base societal changes upon. In this case, it involves looking at the worst case of the generally accepted models (aka just because one scientist has highballed it doesn't mean we want to listen, but if all the other modelers say "he's doing things right, follows rigorous methodology, we just think he's being pessimistic" -- go with that guy!).
Why?
We're on the inner edge of human habitable planets. That means that if we increase the greenhouse effect, we're likely to move out of human habitability. I wouldn't be making the same case about global cooling -- in fact, for scenarios in which that has been the case, I'd argue we've been very liberal about how many thermonuclear explosions would be needed before starting a global cooling cycle. However, I'm not saying that's a bad thing -- we understand how to heat up the planet, and if we were to inadvertently cause a cooling cycle, all we'd need to do is burn more coal.
I wish we could say the same thing about global warming -- but that's not the case.
Oh I understand the term
Thats good. The "you're too stoopid to understand, so just go along" argument. What you describe is not a strawman argument. I am asking if all variables have been taken into account for modeling. You say no.
But my larger question is this, why do you care what I think if its scientifically proven beyond a shadow of a doubt?
it isn't scientifically proven beyond a shadow of a doubt.
but that shadow is being cast from pluto, not from the moon, and as a result has little weight. Man, my poetry sucks today, you have my apologies.
Great. So can you explain exactly how burning coal is unlikely to increase the entropy of our system, thus resulting in temperature increases? No, I don't have my fucking statistical mechanics book on me, but you did say you understood the term! ;-)
All variables is a statistical canard. Can we take a fifth order approximation using all the known natural pollutants, model that, and say, to a reliable degree of precision (95% confidence interval), that without human pollution, we would be seeing global cooling? yup, sure can. Is it perfect? no way in hell, and it'll never be dangnabit perfect. But it can be a good model.
You aren't asking about how well the model fits the observations!
Uh...
...there's no way that global warming could end life on earth, or even just human life on earth. That's just as scientifically irresponsible as saying that there is no global warming at all.
this is correct
The crusade against global warming is not one intended to save us from extinction. It's one intended to keep the environment in the same state that we are most accustomed to.
look at my link below
the one from Climate Progress. I think it's fair to say that humans would be at an elevated risk of extinction (primarily from rapidly traveling superpandemics), if global warming is allowed to continue unabated.
We don't know. There are tipping points, it's fair to say...
specifically rerouting of oceanic currents might make places like England (and much of Europe) much more uninhabitable than currently possible.
What's concerning in terms of ending life on earth is the apparent inability of most animals and plants to move as far north as they should, with the current rate of warming. The shift in animal and plant habitats is far far less than optimal. This stresses out everything.
A different problem -- the widespread diseases, hastened by the collapse of food supply -- which would both decrease genetic diversity of crops and weaken our global immune system (aka if enough people are starving, they create wellsprings of disease).
Also, note, if we have dramatically different habitats, which have necessitated a return to much lower population densities, humans are much more vulnerable to being wiped out by natural disasters, which would be on the increase anyway. This, admittedly, is much more of a doomsday scenario than the above.
There, four different scenarios, just off the top of my head.
http://climateprogress.org/2009/03/22/an-introduction-to-global-warming-...
http://belfercenter.ksg.harvard.edu/files/uploads/2007_11-6_Forum_(NXPowerLite).pdf
Climate Progress, in the link that I've cited, is predicting as much as a loss of 50% or more of all life on earth by 2100. They've got the science to back them up.
So I'm not being scientifically untruthful here. I'm looking at worst case scenarios, as a good conservative does -- if you don't know about them, you can't plan for them.
For what it's worth, I was quoting Dr. Brin on the innermost edge of the Class M planets. If you want his sources, you might try asking him (I don't have them handy).
Oh
I thought global warming was about human behavior.
Thanks for correcting me.
The key issues in climate chage are
The key issues in climate chage are (1) is CO2 building up in the atmosphere; (2) if so, is it effecting the global climate; and (3) is the source of that CO2 man-made.
The answer to all three is yes, yes, yes - unless your research funding comes from Big Oil.
If you want to play word games re (3) that is fine, but the incorrectness of your economics analogy is out there for all to see.
Actually, I'm liking my analagy more and more
How is it you can look at CO2 emissions and conclude temperatures will increase and disaster over the next 50 years, but can't look at toxic debt being created now leading to financial disaster in ten years?
It looks like it all depends on your political view, and has nothing to do with science.
no, no and no.
even Krugman will explain to you about the toxic debt now -- you can insert his exasperation, it's much more vehement than mine.
He just believes that we can get it under control by cutting spending later.
I guess it is becasue unlike you I actually understand
I guess it is becasue unlike you I actually understand what physical sciences are and how the scientific method works.
That's great
So did you stop learning or quit school after the sixth grade? That would explain everything.
We need our own anti-warming platform
Plank 1: More nukes. In view of the fact that nuclear accidents leave fewer dead bodies than expected, it's clear that the safety standards can be relaxed. (Ther'es even a possibility that small doses of radioactivity can save live.) While we're at it we can tar and feather anti-nuclear activists.
Plank 2: Carbon burial. Under normal circumstances, trees do not remove CO2 from the air since they release any carbon they absorb after they're down. If they're buried after being cut down, that doesn't apply. We must discourage recycling and encourage landfills.
Plank 3: More styrofoam: If excess radiation is reflected back into space, that can help alleviate warming. So if we allow more styrofoam to be washed to the sea, it will float and reflect that extra sunlight.
In other words, it's like unemployment. It's a real problem that can be solved by doing the exact opposite of the advice of professional protestors.