Talk Radio As Marketing

Crossposted at Right Minds

After the Republican party’s election embarrassment, there has been a dispute over the coming direction of the party. At present, talk radio in general, and Rush Limbaugh in particular, wields most of the power in what is left of the conservative movement. But many people feel that that is a bad thing; that talk radio is useful only for inflaming the base and useless, and indeed counterproductive, apart from that.

These people usually believe that talk radio is a least common denominator sort of activity, and that few if any talk radio hosts attempt to logically persuade the other side or engage in intellectual arguments. Rather, they see Rush Limbaugh and his ilk as rabblerousers, irresponsibly inflaming the passions of the base rather than engaging in sophisticated, rational arguments. We need more William F. Buckleys, this line of thinking goes, and fewer Rush Limbaughs.

Of course, this ignores the fact that Buckley was a big fan of Limbaugh, and Limbaugh admired Buckley immensely. But this thinking does hit upon a difference between the two styles. Buckley and his emulators engaged in debate, in which the two sides took turns alternately making their points while finding the weak points in those of their opponents. And seen as a debate show, The Rush Limbaugh Show, and most other talk  radio programs, isn’t very good. There is an occasional bit of real debate to be found, but most talk radio is far from being real debate. 

But Rush Limbaugh isn’t into debate. Seen a debate show, his show is pretty poor. But seen as advertising, his show is absolutely brilliant. It is literally impossible to imagine a better way of marketing conservatism to the largest possible audience. Rush Limbaugh’s, and talk radio’s role isn’t debate—its marketing.

Consider a talk radio show—say Sean Hannity’s, because he is the best illustration of talk radio as pure political advertising. He’s an attractive person with a good radio (and TV) presence, and a strong, trustworthy voice. He delivers the same messages over and over (and over and over) in an interesting, entertaining way. He even has callers who attest to the brilliance of his product, and the occasional liberal who gets on his show invariably loses (invariably, since Hannity doesn’t play fair when he argues) to Hannity’s reasoning. So the audience member is left with a) a favorable image of conservative thought, b) the knowledge that many other people share conservative views, and c) the perception that the liberal counterarguments have been utterly destroyed by Sean Hannity. As marketing, it’s brilliant.

Not all radio hosts are like Sean Hannity, of course. Some, like Rush Limbaugh, do inject a great deal of interesting thought and insight into their show, while others are extremists (Michael Savage; while it was quite wrong of Britain to ban him from the country, I couldn’t help feeling a bit envious of them) who do the conservative movement more harm than good. But generally, Sean Hannity is a good template for talk radio as marketing.

This fact is no slight on talk radio—after all, the art of oratory has been used for persuasive purposes for a long time, and talk radio has a lot in common with, for example, Mark Anthony’s speech from Julius Caesar. Marketing is a legitimate job, and a tough one, Republicans should be glad that they have such talented people backing them up.

Nor is it a bad thing for conservatism to have its leader come from the ranks of talk radio; if Rush Limbaugh leads the movement, that’s not a bad thing. If anything, it is beneficial that the man who sells the conservative movement should also be one of those most influential in shaping it.

But if talk radio is good for the Republican party, then it doesn’t follow that debate isn’t beneficial as well. It is, and it is necessary. At present, there are few if any radio or television shows that provide rational, ordered debate, rather, most so-called “debates” consist of angry pundits flinging insults at each other across the studio, or increasingly (as in the case of Bill O’Reilly and Keith Olbermann), across networks. Talk radio’s template is a good one—but debate is important too, and is too often neglected by conservatives.  

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Good advertisement?

If Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity are good advertisment for conservatives, and they have audiences in the tens of millions, how do you explain the wipeout victories of the last two election cycles by democrats?

That's easy....

...the Republicans we elected to serve in high public office, aren't listening to Rush's advertisment.

ex animo

davidfarrar

Wow

I can't actually believe, Daniel, that you think having conservative leaders come from talk radio is a good idea.  Unless you think politicians and leaders are simply pretty faces and clear voices meant to whip the base into a frenzy.  Leaders have to...you know....what's the word?  LEAD.  Not just pander and dangle shiny objects in front of people's eyes.  I, personally, would love to watch Rush Limbaugh run for Senate.

I applaud talk radio conservatives. Here's why...

...the base needs to be ginned up, pure and simple. For the past thirty years now the corporate wing of the party has pursued its political agenda at the expense of the grassroot of the party, as represented by the party's political platform. In short, calling for less government, less taxation, more freedom, more liberty. The corporate agenda doesn't necessarily object to uncontrolled government growth -- it just means more business for the corporate world. Higher taxes is seen as a simple pass-through by the corporate community. And the less freedom and liberty their customers have, the better it is for the corporate community.

Now we are in a situation where Congress, itself, has destroyed this economy at the behest of the corporate world, thereby placing into debit future generations of Americans without their knowledge or consent. Who is left to set the record straight? Only the base of the party. So go ahead Rush, Hannity and Beck, scream out your souls, fire up the base. Heads need to roll if we are ever going to take our party back and turn it once again into a political force that is capable of achieving its political goal of less taxes, less government, more individual freedom and liberty.

ex animo

davidfarrar

I'm not arguing against the merits of talk radio.

But you cannot allow yourself to think that the mindset, framing, and line of argument meant to appeal to the base can persuade the rest of the country.  Everytime a Republican has to walkback from an insult to Rush Limbaugh, the rest of the country thinks Rush Limbaugh runs the Republican Party.  The American People do NOT want Rush Limbaugh running the Republican party, savy?

Nixon once said...

..."Grab 'em by the balls, their hearts and mind will follow." A ginned up base, becomes the message that can and often has persuaded the rest of the country to follow, if the cause be true.

So let's be clear on the cause.  We are talking about fiscal conservatism, period. We are talking about Tea Party politics. We are talking about anti-TARP, anti-stimulus, anti-deficit spending. We are talking about a political party that needs very desperately to get back to its original roots of less government, less taxation, means more individual freedom and liberty. This is the political ideology 60% of the electorate say they identify with, and the ideology the Republican party over the course of the past thirty years has steadily turned its back on in their pursuit of the corporate agenda. As long as Rush, Hannity and Beck preach this gospel, I say, God bless 'em and pass the ammunition -- savy?

          ex animo

          davidfarrar

 

Marketing rots the free market.

It propagandizes people, and thus steers them towards "the most popular" instead of "the most functional"

An Example? Ebay. Not the best site out there, not, quite frankly, even the most popular at the time. But, hell, they Wrote the stories for the Washington Post, for all the business sections in most newspapers -- and they were published ad verbatim (Washington Post asks: "We'll give you front page if you'll just make a graph").

I vote with my money, that's the benefit of a so-called free market. Most of my money in a month goes to places that won't waste it on advertising. I get cheaper products that way.

And, indeed, it would be one thing if Hate Radio (that's their term, not mine.) was simply a natural outgrowth of the medium. It's not, and it's corrosive to our public discourse. The closer we get to considering the other side Evil or Selfish, or any number of traits that are Immutable and Bad, the more we dehumanize them.

And that, my friends, is the exact point of Hate Radio. I'm not going to say Rush is evil... but the people backing him, backing the whole of Hate Radio... they're evil. I don't say this the way many people use the term 'evil' -- just meaning wrong. The oligarchs are out there, and they miss feudalism. Miss us knowing our place -- underneath their heel. Evil can at some times mean selfish, but this goes beyond that. They want to destroy America, at least my America.

And you're defending them.

Apologetics may make you a priest, my friend... but they won't save your soul.

There seem to be three main

There seem to be three main objections here a) talk radio isn't good because Republicans lost the last two elections, b) people think that Rush runs the GOP, and c) that marketing rots the free market. [????]

Answering them in order. A), even the best marketing can't sell a bad product, and McCain wasn't a very strong product, b) God forbid a conservative run the GOP, huh? Who'd you rather have, Mitt Romney? Buckley could be every bit as hard as Rush, and people seem to think he did okay. and c), you are crazy if you take that argument the least bit seriously.

Okay, the principle of a free market

is that we are able to decipher what the best product is for any situation. That is, one evaluates products based on how functional they are.

Problem is? Humans aren't exactly the best at doing that, and the 'free market' has a dramatic incentive to further flummox our abilities, cloud our minds.

That's propaganda, by any other word. The boomers are the most Propagandized Generation, ever (sure, the Russians had MORE propaganda... but did they believe... any of it?).

 

My actual germane arguments follow:

When the public marketing strategy of the GOP is, to quote a Holocaust survivor, "to sound like the Nazis"... That's not good.  It's not good to use eliminationist rhetoric. When you remove from the equation the idea that the other side is behaving in good faith, you start to call them avaricious, or any number of other bad traits. I think that there are good solutions to be found with everyone working together. I pray and hope for them, because people are dying without them (something needs to be done about illegal guns in the cities, for example.)

Rush Limbaugh and all of his compatriots have cost the GOP at least one seat, for the next two years. They are instrumental in radicalizing the GOP, because there are always primaries, and they're good at motivating people. I do not see them as very sound strategic moves... for the GOP -- this is primarily because they are not terribly well targeted. Democrats, with their less focused messaging, can craft multifaceted messages, and get on board supporting people with less than 100% fidelity with Democratic values (Casey?). Rush and his crew seem to be a blunderbus.

Last argument, and one you appear to have rejected: The people running Rush Limbaugh and crew are NOT patriotic. They are self-interested, powerful, amoral fools. Perhaps if they were removed from a position of power in your party, I might have more reason to vote for the Republicans. After all, one doesn't merely vote for a person, or their ideology. One votes based on which factions will gain power based on your vote. Rush's backers have a LOT of power in your party.