Two Ways To Handle Recession

Crossposted at Right Minds

At least there’s some good news. Citibank just announced a profit for the last quarter, and indicated that it would probably not require government aid. GM, too had some good news—it said that it could get through March without $2 billion in government aid after all. The Dow Jones is up above 7,100. Economically, things are looking up a bit—Barack Obama has decided that the economy is “not as bad as we think.”

If we are seeing the signs of recovery (and it’s still far to early to make a judgment on that), then it’s interesting to note that it has nothing to do with anything Obama has done, and really, nothing to do with anything Bush did either. (Bush’s biggest achievement here was passing TARP, and that wasn’t exactly a rousing success). It would be ironic, if precedented, if, for all the urgent rush for government aid, the economy recovered on its own. 

Economies can recover without, or in spite of, government intervention, and the fact that such a possibility was never even considered here is a failure for conservatism. There are, (very) broadly speaking, two ways of dealing with an economic crisis—the liberal way, and the conservative way.

The liberal method was what Washington (both the Bush and Obama Administrations) used for our current crisis. (As Peggy Noonan said her in column today, it really does need a name). It calls for massive government intervention till the trouble is quelled—bailouts, stimulus, sometimes even nationalization of private corporations. Basically, this view sees a financial crisis as a war, where the federal government has almost unlimited power to try to solve the problem. Nothing is beyond the pale.

The advantage of this way: when it works, the economic problem is solved quickly, and less painfully than it would have been otherwise. And it’s easier to see what went wrong, and to patch up those problem areas in the future.

Problem: this way usually doesn’t work. The New Deal was a much larger version of what Obama is trying to do. It was totally ineffective—after eight years of Roosevelt, the unemployment rate was twenty percent, down from twenty-five when he took office. It was only the start of World War II that ended the Depression.

And during the severe late-seventies/early-eighties recession, government action couldn’t do much to lift “malaise.” It took tax cuts (and, it must be said, massive government spending) to do that.

In fact, in all our nation’s history, it’s hard to find an example of government intervention lifting the economy out of recession.

The conservative solution: do nothing, and wait for the free market to sort things out. Advantage: it always works. Problem: it takes a while sometimes.

Left to its own devices, the free market will always eventually equalize and get the economy going again. Eventually. It can take quite a while.

Look at what would have happened had the government done nothing when the recession started. The housing market would have crumbled. The stock market would have collapsed, losing over forty percent of its value. Unemployment would have skyrocketed, and American households would have lost over ten trillion dollars.  There would have been painful bank failures, which would have lost billions of dollars for American families.

Except all that did happen, and even with government intervention. Of course, possibly things would have been worse were it not for the efforts of Henry Paulson and Barack Obama—but it is equally likely things would have been better. And if recovery would be prolonged by a laissez-faire approach, everyone agrees it will be similarly prolonged with Obama’s recovery plan. The liberal economic vision seems to give the same results that the conservative one does—but at a much higher price tag.  

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I would not like to see a

I would not like to see a total laissez-faire approach. It would cost more in the long run.

Martin Wolf of the Financial Times was on C-Span yesterday and I will quote:

"If you do nothing then you risk,

1. Whole chain of banks to collapse

2. Wiping out the assets of all the uninsured depositors and lenders

3. The inability to lend

4. A vast collapse of business on the demand side and supply side

5. Unemployment would soar to extraordinary levels

6. An economy with staggering credit and debt, namely 35 trillion dollars vulnerable

7. Repeat the 29' and 30' experience all around the world

8 And finally this laissez-faire has never been tried before

 

Now let us not confuse something here, which the republicans seem to be doing. This recession is two parts. It is the financial/housing failure and it is a typical down cycle that we have in our economy.

The down cycle in the economy includes 8 years of tax cuts for the here and now and nothing for the future. The tax cuts did not sustain economic growth. The tax cuts were borrowed money adding to the deficit. Spending was not cut. We had a war. This all is called "guns and butter." LBJ did this and we had 20 years of inflation. Bush did it and you have deficits and debt. Add to that free trade, which is closing up factories across the country and especially in the Midwest. Cities and states are going broke as factories close, people lose jobs, their healthcare insurance, and pensions. And if they get another job, it will be lower pay and no benefits. We also have had a war that deprived our economy of a trillion dollars. 

We need to make up for the lost jobs we are losing in the middle class. The only thing you can do is long term and that is infrastructural spending, energy independence, mandatory vocational training, embryonic stem cell research, science, innovation, and research and development. 

As far as a stimulus, just a tax cut or rebate does not help if people lose jobs and/or buy Chinese goods. The trick is to create good middle class jobs in which the policies of the last few years are destroying the middle class. 

If anything is destroying this country, it is ideology. We need a pragmatic approach to our problems.

>>You say "In fact, in all our nation’s history, it’s hard to find an example of government intervention lifting the economy out of recession."

I would say this. In all recessions you have tax cuts and the fed lowering interest rates to stimulate the economy. We have had tax cuts for 8 years. They are overdone and spent and we find ourselves in another recession. The fed has already lowered interest rates to the lowest levels. And we have numerous other problems that I have talked about. It will take more than just tax cuts to get us out of this mess. 

And for the Great Depression, the stimulus was WW2. The factories were running creating the tanks, the jeeps, the aircraft, and the ships. And when the soldiers came home, they made the cars and housing. We are closing down a lot of factories today. We are sending our jobs and money overseas. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand where our problems are.

 

 

Experiment in Progress

Dan,

Economies, just like electoral prospects of political parties, do tend to bounce back eventually, even if you do not intervene with a bold new proactive program to turn things around, and instead choose to change nothing.

But, as you said, it can take quite some time, and the suffering will be real and quite deeply felt.

And as Martin Wolf warns, the do-nothing approach has the possibility of a "death spiral" where things get so much worse, so rapidly, that there is no way to ever come back.

We shall soon see the results. As another poster recently said, "In theory, there is no difference between practice and theory. In practice, there is."

I think you missed something there

Having lived through the Reagan years, I considered that massive ratcheting up of defense spending to be government stimulus.

Somewhere, there came a confusion that would state that the only free ship is a rudderless one.  Is that conservatism? 

I did point that out...

"It took tax cuts (and, it must be said, massive government spending) to do that."