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Cramer: Does Obama Care About the Stock Market?
A remarkable thing happened last night on the MSM. CNBC Mad Money host Jim Cramer yesterday pinned the tail of recent stock market declines squarely on President Obama's backside. It was remarkable opening commentary, from a Wall Street guy who admits to supporting Obama's policy goals and who all but endorsed his candidacy during the campaign.
Only twice before in my memory has Cramer ventured into the political realm to assign blame for stock market performance -- last summer and fall, respectively, with Bush deficits and Bernanke/Fed inaction on the collapse of major investment banking firms.
Cramer's treatment of Obama was gentle compared to the spitting-mad tirade he threw at Bernanke ("'They know NOTHING!).
Cramer says nothing we haven't heard at this and other conservative blogs -- except to agree that national health care, cap-and-trade, are good policy objectives, they just have to be pursued at the right time.
At the same time last night, David Gergen commented on Anderson Cooper that Obama's team seems to be losing focus, pushing too many ambitious policy goals to the point where they are starting to undermine the foundation objective of stabilizing the economy.
All of this commentary points to one of two possibilities: Either Obama is an overly ambitious Harvard guy, naive about how much change the national can absorb in a year, or he is a reckless ideologue -- he just doesn't care if his accelerated agenda wipes out private savings, because he is so absolutely certain in that "righteous wind at our backs."
Cramer himself raised the possibility that maybe he "just doesn't care about the stock market," and implored Obama to show otherwise.
As if in response this morning, Obama says he won't base policy on the "gyrations" of the financial markets.
Fair statement, but it only proves Cramer's point: There is no gyration in the markets; it is a freefall collapse. Were that we were seeing gyrations! Two and three hundred point drops wouldn't be so troubling. But the decline, since the election and inauguration, has been steady and strong, especially after Obama policy pronoundements.
If capital is indeed on strike, and stays on strike, Obama's confident words this morning about a 2009 recovery ("I'm certain of it") will come back to haunt him, just as John McCain was quickly haunted by his statement that the fundamentals of our economy are sound. It will be no satisfaction to see, given the suffering that is being inflicted.
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I watched Jim's wonderfully articulate rant last night on CNBC
And that was when I really began to understand that the jig is up.
No, Obama does not care about the market, nor about capitalism, nor about its beneficiaries. Several on the Left around the site claim that "Main Street" still favors Obama in the polls with high approval ratings.. Apparently "Main Street" has not yet considered the fact that its very livelihood, not to mention its retirement plans, all revolve around the passionate capitalists of Wall Street such as Jim Cramer.
Thus, I just posted another article which reflects the grim reality setting in, titled David Brooks' Moderate Manifesto (and Obama "Buyer's Remorse")...
Thanks so much for posting Jim's video. Great call.
Shorter Cramer: Does Obama not care about MY JOB????
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and I think you're seriously venturing into paranoia town.
If he cared about your job, he'd actually stimulate the economy
So that it would continue in perpetuity. But I suppose you'd best hope that he does, hadn't you? I commend you your optimism, it's one of the most liberating aspects of being liberal.
I've been the Mayor of Paranoia Town since I seriously began to study him last year, so your insight isn't exactly a News Flash. ;-)
The difference between me and my innocent, hip young friends is that I was born into the absolute height of crushing post-World War II cold war paranoia and I take the potential for this situation we're in very, very seriously because of living historical memories. Different gens, different perspectives - can't expect you to take on that baggage but you can't expect me to drop my guard completely either.
I have several tinfoil hat theories about what's actually going on here, but until we get further along that road, I think it's prudent to keep silent and let you think I'm a fool rather than open my mouth prematurely and convince you that I am. Right now, we just don't know for certain, but every instinct I have tells me this ain't checkers honey, it's chess and we're either dealing with complete incompetents or we're dealing with extremely dangerous experts. As the Bene Gesserit said in Dune, "wheels within wheels, plans within plans". Frank Herbert was a hell of a modeler of the human political condition.
frank herbert only seems to model extremely intelligent people.
most of wall street isn't that intelligent. ;-) nor, for that matter, is Obama. [conjure bag from Calculated Risk IS that intelligent, fwiw].
you're mistaking me: Jim Cramer is concerned about his own job, which depends on the market going up up and away -- he is a paid shill for the worst companies (hey, if you could convince many people to buy your stock simply because Cramer said so....). He's paid to help support failing companies, create "bag holders".
Obama cares plenty about my job, and others like mine. I'm in the creative class, and if you let us leave America (okay, so maybe not me personally, but we've been benefiting from a brain drain for a LONG time!).... someone else gets our expertise.
(I don't mind tinfoil scenarios -- they're good exercise for the mental muscles! just so long as you KNOW that you're talking crazy talk, you're probably still sane).
The proper scenario for that, however, is not Obama as Manchurian candidate. It's Obama as intimidated politician. Word on the street from people I know is that at least one of the big financial players has threatened his daughters... [treat this as tinfoil if you want. i won't reveal my sources, and wouldn't even if they weren't in danger of assassination right now].
Look for another rally next, stockmarket wise. good time to invest, now. get the hell out once you get your 10%, though.
Wall St. Is Important to the Creative Class, Too
Granted that everyone is primarily concerned with their own self-interest (nothing wrong with that)...
I think the point that Cramer is trying to make is that the stock market impacts our education, reitrement and other life savings projects. It's not just a bunch of rich white guys baying for money. As he said, and this bears repeating, most workers in this country have their savings, IRAs, 401ks, Roths, whatever, in the financial markets. Even state workers' pensions are in the markets, and the days of private corporate pensions are gone.
Even people who don't work corporate jobs have a big stake in Wall St., since things like university and foundation endowments are completely dependent on corporate performance. Look at what's happened to university endowments in the last 5 months.
I'm sure Obama knows full well the effect his Change Agenda will have on the financial markets; Cramer's point, and mine, is that he does not seem to care about that effect. He's reasoned that his idealistic policy goals are far more important than what happens to Ma and Pa's retirement distribution this year or next. The end will justify the sacrifice, and in the end, you'll be happy.
So I daresay O doesn't much care your job, or mine -- he cares about jobs at a macro level, about creating new "green jobs" and such because this aligns with his vision of re-structured American conomy.
And as a member of the creative class, I'd be interested to hear which you would choose:
1. A growing economy with businesses and private foundations flush with money to spend on creative projects
2. A growing pool of money at the NEA and PEN and other such places so more people can get grants.
In an ideal world, you want #1
though the creative class would far rather see NEA and NSF funded to the max, as private corporations are nothingburgers for effectiveness of research.
Cramer's gotta remember that Obama doesn't care about Cramer's job.
I think that Obama doesn't think taht we'll be happy at the end, but that we will be self-sufficient, and that the pain will be distributed relatively equitably. At least I'm hoping he's not that pollyannaish. We're in a fucking worldwide depression! Keeping the stock market prices up up up is implausible in such a situation. Better that they adjust now than later. Borrow Borrow Debt is NOT a good recipe.
I was against mutual funding our retirement from the first place, as I believe that reaching 5% above inflation is Extremely Implausible in the Long Term using a standard buy and hold. That is to say, you bought into a Ponzi scheme. Watch it burn, baby. And then remember who created it -- Old Ronnie Reagan himself!
Do I think that Obama should attempt to keep this market floating? Hell NO! That's interfering with the FREE MARKET of INFORMATION.
Oh, and my job is listed in the stimulus plan. A friend of mine got an entire paragraph to himself (eh. he's the strategist. it'll take him less than a month to draft the plans).
Actually, letting the stock market tank helps with a lot of problems -- you don't really want Ma and Pa retiring right this minute -- not if they're going to move to a kleptocratic small town in the south, where they'd be walking straight into the Wild West (complete with bribing the local authorities). I want to postpone their retirement a year or three, so that they can at least know what they're getting into. Same thing with Florida, california and Arizona, where housing is cratering. You don't know what you're getting, if you buy in now.
The stock market is 80% rich white guys, and 20% Dumb Money. I'm sorry you're in dumb money, but can I suggest that you get out of it now? Put the money under your own control, temporarily, and invest it yourself! You'll make more, and now is a good time to invest.
So Molotov, how many IDs do
So Molotov, how many IDs do you have on this site?
nyet, comrade.
I am not molotov.
Ah, the rantings and ravings
Ah, the rantings and ravings of CNBC.
Riddle me this. How can a news organization whose sole focus is business and the markets not see that everything was about to crater?
Looking to CNBC for wall street insight is a like looking to the Cowboys Cheerleaders for insight into Romo's completion percentage on third down. They can't tell you, but I'm sure they hope it's good. Go Team!
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Does this help
So, what are these securities worth? And, what exactly is your
point?
hold to maturity valuation is NOT likely
not with the present rates and projected future rates of default.
That is why the market is poor. Future risk is not adequately modeled by hold to maturity.
I strongly object to this idea.
A lot of cfd providers have
A lot of cfd providers have been having a field day with the way the market it, people should look to start using CFD to invest instead of just buying and selling stocks and options.
Not worth predicting if he
Not worth predicting if he did care he would not say he does not care because he is in denial, he has got what he wants a place in history and no matter the cost he is happy. He will set so many records it is just a shame de does not get one for the shortest term in office.
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We all hope he and we all hope he bring in no new legislation that will adversely effect the stock market. What happens in the US affects global markets and negative news will push the world stock market further down. UK Day Trading