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Submitted by expectmorefromu on Sat, 04/18/2009 - 09:17
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 The next step for Iowa is to have a meeting with all organizers from all over the state.  We need to create a data base of all supporters assuming every Tea Party took names and had a petition to sign.  The Des Moines IA Tea Party is already doing this and getting information from it's supperters as to what special skills everyone can bring to the revolution. Then we need to get linked with all other Tea Parties in the nation and create a national data base. In the meantime lets get going on spreading the word to all out there that this is a non partisan movement looking to stop irresponsible spending that causes unecessary taxation, let the country know that we are not just a right wing radical group with no legs underneath us, but a viable force that is capable of voting out the elected officials that have gotten fat on pork and uses insider trading tactics to line their own pockets and those of their friends.  We The People demand that Government stay out of our personal lives and out of privately owned business. As we get our message out, our numbers will continue to grow because this is what mainstream American is all about. Not the hype of Hollywood or the "Government can fix all" mentality of Washington. We will also initiate a huge voter registration drive to motivate the "silent majority" to exercise their constitutional right not only to vote, but to have an impact on the government when we feel  our elected officials are not representing our values and beliefs. All Tea Parties must organize themselves and keep the people in their towns and states motivated and start thinking about who is going to run for office in their next elections. We need to make the changes on a local basis first and tackle the federal level in 2012. The American people will make this happen and the sooner we can step up and run for office ouselves on a local level, the sooner we will effect "real change".      

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The problem is, is that

Submitted by In between on Sat, 04/18/2009 - 10:51.

The problem is, is that republicans don't have answers as well as the democrats. Whatever you have said still does not solve the problems at hand. Saying government should be out of our lives, we can take in different ways. One way is that government can stay out of our lives is to let people have abortion-as it is none of my business. Gay marriage-as it is none of my business. And keep religion out of government. But we also have to manage problems. Like deficits, foreign policy, and free trade and the loss of jobs. And the republicans are dismal in all these areas. 

So you can have all the tea parties all you want, but that is just a small issue towards so many. And if you are worried about taxes, then you will need to find a way to pay for the war that Bush and Cheney wanted so much. And find jobs that are lost to free trade so you can get more revenue for the cities, states, and federal government.

We have seen 8 years of laissez-faire, just when are we going to fix the problems at hand? The only true leader in Washington has been Bob Gates. And everything he suggested on the Pentagon budget will be torn apart in congress.

Solutions

Submitted by expectmorefromu on Sat, 04/18/2009 - 12:03.

Well your right about one thing the Republicans have to go too.  As I said originally The Tea Parties are a non partisan movement so I suggest that you and all Bush haters stop blaiming the last administration for what Carter started and get to some solutions.  Printing and barrowing money for businesses that have already failed and expecting the public to pay for it is not acceptable. Both parties are guilty of irresponsible and negligent actions that effect all of us.  That is why the Tea Party calls for new blood and re elects no one.  Part of the solution is to get rid of the narcissistic, greedy and corrupt individuals that have ran Washington for years and years. The time has come for term limits on congress two on two off.  Run again in 12 years if your record will allow it. I believe history will mark former President Bush as a wise and thoughtful leader that protected the American People in a time of unprecedented danger.  The Bush  tax cuts gave the same percentage to everyone. (fair right?) Granted the more you made the bigger the cut. But when Obama lets the Bush tax cuts expire in 2010 his little 13 - 20 dollars every two weeks isn't going to cover the loss we ALL are going to feel.  Yes there are many problems that need solving and it is obvious that the current members of congress and the new administration are all incapable of handling any of them.  Obama called for a change and to do away with the failed policies of the past yet he continues on the same tax and spend liberal crap that has plagued our nation for over thirty years. Mark my words Mr. President, the march has just begun... 2010 WILL bring change.

 

 

Well, here we go in blaming

Submitted by In between on Sat, 04/18/2009 - 13:12.

Well, here we go in blaming Carter. Now, I will agree that Carter did not know how to deal with the economy, but he did not create the economic problems. Let us go back to LBJ. LBJ had his Vietnam War and his Great Society programs. They call this "guns and butter." And LBJ had the federal reserve print the money. Some three years later inflation sets in. Nixon dealt with inflation with "wage and price controls" and failed. Ford had his "WIN buttons" and failed. And Carter did not know what to do. However, he did get Paul Volcker in as head of the fed and under Reagan raised interest rates to 21.5% on the prime, essentially beating inflation.

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But as you see with the graph inflation, interest rates, and unemployment went up each time under each president until Paul Volcker solved it with high interest rates. And since then unemployment has come down.

Having said that, I believe Bush created another "guns and butter." That is the Iraq war with borrowed money (deficits) and tax cuts with borrowed money (deficits). And that is what we are experiencing today besides the financial crisis. You blame the democrats for the last 2 years of Bush, but it was Bush that did not veto a spending bill for 6 years, that Bush borrowed for both the war and for tax cuts, and that Bush expanded Medicare. And if Bush got away with it, his privatized social security plan would have cost another two trillion dollars. 

All I have seen for the last 8 years is tax cuts for the rich as trickle down did not trickle down, the tax cuts were from borrowed money, essentially an economy that ran on borrowed money, free trade and the lost of millions of jobs to China and Mexico, loss of healthcare and pensions, cities and states going broke as factories close, the threat of more religion in government, the muzzling of scientists, 1 trillion dollars out of our country to Iraq, neoconism, cronyism, fascism, and laissez-faire. 

Today we have bailouts, higher unemployment, negative growth, deficits and debt, the economy is a mess, and foreign policy is a mess. Everything Bush has touched went broke and someone from the Saudis (Bush oil company) to Bob Gates and General Petraeus has bailed him out of trouble. So this is where we are at today. While I do not agree with some of the spending and socialist policies of Obama, a lot of us are glad we got rid of a moron of the last 8 years.

What Bush did not do and what the republicans still do not understand is that you have to invest in your people, your country, and in the future. 

invest?

Submitted by expectmorefromu on Sat, 04/18/2009 - 14:06.

The housing givaway began in the Carter Administration because "everyone desreves a home" apparently weather they can afford it or not (the American People should flit the bill for those who can't or wont make it on their own).  If you remember correctly we were attacked and more innocent lives were lost on our own soil than Pearl Harbor. I believe that while Irac did take away from efforts in Afganistan it was used as a staging ground that kept the war off our land. A staging ground that was a magnet drawing the ruthless terrorists to a land that we could achieve victory.  Even Russia at the height of their power could not win in afganistan. There are reasons for all things including the Bush years and if you compare the national debt durring Bush with a war, to the projected national debt of the Ob.s.ma plan you will find a huge differance in Bush's favor. When is thowing billions to already failed companies with no idea of what they plan to do investing in the people? How is cutting spending on defence to pay for pork, investing in the country? How does more and more spending with money we do not have invest in our future? More like creating huge debt for our children to pay, and the pork barrel shovel ready projects are as usual cosmetic no need projects that will not create jobs but only retain jobs for the companies owned by relatives of the congressmen and women that "brought home the bacon" who more often than not own the land that will triple in value making those politicans richer. That is why "We The People" are protesting, organizing, motivating and VOTING these money hungry morons out of office. RE ELECT NO ONE

"Housing giveaway." All sides

Submitted by In between on Sat, 04/18/2009 - 14:45.

"Housing giveaway." All sides are guilty on this one. And even Bush talked of a Home ownership society and Alan Greenspan did too. They are all guilty. They are looking at the wrong things. It come down to investing in your country, your people, and in the future. It is the management of the country, no different than what CEO's do. And it isn't by some failed ideology.

Iraq was not a staging ground for terrorism. Afghanistan was the staging ground for Al Qaeda. The neocons wanted to go to Iraq and wanted to have an excuse and they used 9/11 as that excuse. Bush did not consult with Bob Gates, James Baker, Brent Scrowcroft, or his father. Bush would have learned it would have been a quagmire, in which Cheney himself said years ago. They did not pay attention to detail or planning. Our war was in Afghanistan. It is true the Russians and the British had a tough time in Afghanistan. But you cannot win a war when you go into Iraq and have not enough troops to secure two countries and again we have not paid for the wars. In any case, lives were lost due to not having enough troops. Bush took his eye off of Afghanistan and Al Qaeda is in Pakistan. We do not have Osama Bin Laden and Iran is the winner of this situation. And as a matter of policy and detail, previous administration adhered to the theory that we needed to keep Iraq and Iran as equals. So the Middle East is a mess.

Bush came into office having a surplus from Clinton and Gingrich. Bush threw that all away. Bush did nothing for our economy. It was an economy ran on borrowed money. Most of the money Obama spent has to prevent a depression. We do not want to see a depression of 20% unemployment. Therefore trillions are spent to prevent a depression. We did not invest in our country. We have sent our jobs overseas and a trillion dollars to Iraq. You cannot run a country like this.

Defense spending is too high, just like all spending. I don't agree with the pork, but normal pork spending averages around 20 billion dollars a year. Defense spending is over 600 billion dollars. As long as you have politicians, you will have pork barrel spending. I am not defending it, I am saying this is reality. Bob Gates is only one guy and he is good in what he does, but it will be congress that will destroy what he did. All you need is one guy to run Washington, but with 535 legislators it is next to impossible.

Bush already created the debt. He did nothing for our country. Our jobs are leaving the country and our money going out for war. This has not been an investment in our country. We have a multitude of problems that have not been addressed. We need to address these problems. Address the problem in how we move our country forward instead of failed ideologies. 

1. If you want to solve the debt spending then you need outside commissions to come up with the answers. Each area of government needs to be looked at. You will need a total backing of the president and key congressmen and senators. You present the case to congress, when and only when you know such an idea will have the votes. You don't throw something to congress as Bush has done (social security) and see it fail. That creates a failed presidency. 

2. You will need to find ways to create jobs. Without jobs you lose the revenue to the cities, the states, and to the federal government. Sending our middle class jobs overseas makes no sense.

Just tax cuts alone will not create jobs. What job can be done here, that they can't do in China? Outside the services that we need. The pressure is on our jobs, wages, healthcare, and pensions. To compete with have to come down to the level of 3rd world countries. Is that healthy for us?

So let us have some answers. Here is mine. 

The Republican party and what I have learned.

When were you born?

Submitted by expectmorefromu on Sat, 04/18/2009 - 12:35.

I know that the new administration made a great achievment by adding new voters to the polls most of which were young adults that are looking for change as much as the rest of us.  However if you are only aware of the last eight years, or are either too afraid or too reluctant to look at the last four presidents than do not just put the blaim for all of our wows on the last administration.  It seems no one wants to take into account that Democrats have controlled the House and Senate for the last  two years of that administration. Let alone every congress under a Republican has been ruled by democrats. Up until the war on terror the American People always chose to have that kind of checks and ballances. The Republicans let us all down, they talked conservitive but spent and spent and porked out on our taxes. So America has went with an all Democrat hill and what do we get? More spend spend spend and porking out.  Some Republicans and Democrats alike warned congress that the housing bubble would burst and when it did the economy of the world would be effected.  So before we place blaim lets find out who realy was ignoring the problem, I think you will find it was the ones who had the most to gain. Gains from campaign financing from Fanny Mae and Freddy Mac.  I find it odd that everything is Bush's fault but when it comes to Obama you hear, "well he is just one man, congress are  the ones that are really in charge."  Lets give that excuse to every president and get rid of the incompetent fools in congress.  Let there be no mistake, the Tea Parties that took place on tax day were a great success and there is a great deal of momentum that will continue to grow.  The tax day protest may be over but the movement of like minded Americans just began.  RE ELECT NO ONE!

Bush 41 paid for the first

Submitted by In between on Sat, 04/18/2009 - 13:30.

Bush 41 paid for the first gulf war by having other countries pay for the war and had 500,000 coalition troops for one war. Bush 43 had two wars, the war not paid for, and a max of 170,000 troops. Now that is the difference between someone who understood how to manage and from one who could not run 3rd grade.

The political question is, if a president wants to go to war, then he has to come up with a plan to pay for a war. He could have taxed or have other countries pay for the war. Bush also could have had a draft to have enough personnel. He did neither. And asking the American people what would have been needed, the political process would have worked and the American people would have said yea or nay. Bush had no friends to go to and he did not ask the American people to sacrifice. Today, we are sacrificing somewhat with a recession, be it by a financial crisis, but the economy was slowing down before the financial crisis. The tax cuts was for the here and now and spent and all borrowed money. The fed has lowered interest rates to their lowest levels and essentially creating inflation. And we are doing bailouts to prevent a depression. We do not want to see a depression, even if it cost trillions. So, in the end, just how good were the Bush tax cuts. All Bush did is run the country into the ground.

While I believe we need to cut spending, we have to invest in our people, in our country, and in the future to make our country better. It cannot be a one issue campaign. And that is all you hear from republicans, tax cuts and laissez-faire. That is the problem I see. 

LAISSEZ-FAIRE

Submitted by expectmorefromu on Sat, 04/18/2009 - 14:41.

If I remember correctly the French and Gemany both of which this country gave our most precious treasure and blood in order to rid them of Hitler gave us the "UP YOURS!" symbol when Bush went to war. Once again I must re iterate the people are sick and tired of a government that is incompetent!  Bush, Ob.s.ma and the rest. Tea Party is a non partisen grass roots "We The People"  political uprising. I really do not care who you want to blaim. Real change is on its way and it has very little to do with either party. The people aren't looking for blaim or fault but for leaders that are willing to fight for what the People want and not special interest groops and lobiest. When has Ob.s.ma asked for the Peoples opinion on any bailout or spendulas package? NEVER! Polls showed the People did not want to bail out AIG or GM but as usual our government does what ever it wants regardless of the constituants. Bush is out not because you "got rid of" him but his two terms were over. So don't act like it was some kind of coo.  I will admit when he won in 2004 (by one percentaige point) he called it a mandate. Ob.s.ma won by "two" pecentage points and wants to act like everyone in the country is supposed to bow to King Obama, and anyone that dissagrees is either an extremist or prejudice. Well two percent is no mandate either and "We The People" do want change and it comes in 2010. and 2012.  Then congress on both sides of the isle will understand that when the People speak as one, it is not time for blaim but time to pack your duds because "YOUR FIRED!" And blaiming George W Bush will not help you nor will it get you elected . Oh and by the way, the word "change" is now the peoples mantra not the left not the right but the masses of the growing Tea Party.      

What the polls really show

Submitted by NextRightNando on Sat, 04/18/2009 - 14:49.

What the polls really show is a very high degree of confidence that the President will be able to figure out a solution to the mess that he inherited.

Gallup, April 13:

Over two-thirds of Americans -- 71% -- have a great deal or a fair amount of confidence in President Obama to do or recommend the right thing for the economy

As long as that number stays north of 66%, you are just howling in the wind.

And where was the Tea party

Submitted by In between on Sat, 04/18/2009 - 14:59.

And where was the Tea party on Bush. Oh that's right, we will just borrow the money. And Cheney has said "deficits don't matter."

Now Obama is trying to prevent a depression and since the private economy has failed, your last resort is the government. We have lost a lot of jobs and having GM fail will mean more jobs lost and more businesses going broke. I guess some companies are too big too fail. The same with defense spending in which Eisenhower warned "the Military Industrial Complex." The trick still is to invest in your country even if we have to subsidize other companies to create jobs. Other countries do it. We cannot afford to sit by and watch China, India, Mexico, and other countries take our jobs. We need to find a way to create jobs inside our country that will not leave the country. We need to create revenue and cut spending. We need to do all things to make this country great. It is just not a one issue situation.

So if you don't want the Obama spending or bailouts. Then what is your choice? You want company failures and 20% unemployment. What will that do to the economy? Nobody is buying cars now, not buying houses now. Hundreds and thousands of companies will go belly up.

I have previously gave you my answer in investing in our people, in our country, and in the future. It will take years to get there. Our country has been abandoned by some tax cut-trickle down-voodoo economic-borrowed money-laissez-faire failed policy. The results are what you see.

Left or right/cattle or sheep

Submitted by expectmorefromu on Sat, 04/18/2009 - 16:06.

Where were you?!? Get off the Bush hating and get on the Tea Party! We are on the same side here. Both sides SUCK!  We all have been leient, forgiving, and lazy well..NO MORE.

WWW.DESMOINESTEAPARTY.COM

No, you are wrong, "In between", we were there.

Submitted by davidfarrar on Sat, 04/18/2009 - 21:39.

We were there in 2006, demanding smaller government, less taxes and more liberty, and because Bush wasn't listening, Republicans lost Congress. We were there in 2008, demanding smaller government, less taxes and more liberty, and because Bush and McCain didn't listen, Republicans lost the presidency. We have been there. We have been effecting change.

Now it is Obama's turn. We are demanding less government, less taxes, more liberty, and we intend to change Congress and the presidency until we get it.

          ex animo

          davidfarrar

If you have been there then I

Submitted by In between on Sat, 04/18/2009 - 21:56.

If you have been there then I apologize. I don't think Limbaugh and Hannity talked about the deficits from what little I listened to them at the time. But along to what you say, you (republicans) need a sense to manage various problems. In other words it cannot be just tax cuts and smaller government. It cannot be just ideology. You need someone like Bob Gates who takes his job seriously and deals with the issues. 

And for democrats, well they will spend. There has been so many screwed up policies over the last 8 years, that I have to give Obama some slack. I will judge Obama in a couple of years.

"In between", don't forget...

Submitted by davidfarrar on Sat, 04/18/2009 - 22:12.

...when Wall Street asked both McCain and Obama to jump, they both asked; "How high?"

And it maybe true now, since we Republicans have done our part, the responsibility now falls upon the Democrats and the Independents to follow our lead for the common good of all.

          ex animo

          davidfarrar

non-partisan, yeah right

Submitted by ToddLuvsLounging on Sat, 04/18/2009 - 21:14.

How non-partisan can your tea party be when you obviously don't respect that millions of democrats and independents voted for Obama and then denigrate Obama's name. What the hell is "Ob.s.ma" anyways?

Moreover, what kind of non-partisan organization respects the 'accomplishments' of George Bush. Yeah, right.

Why now?

Submitted by BWall on Sat, 04/18/2009 - 22:41.

Expectmorefromu:

I would love to give you the benefit of the doubt and believe that you are truly non-partisan; your words, however, make you sound like you REALLY hate Obama and that you just threw in not liking Bush in an effort to look non-partisan.  You've made your case against Obama pretty strongly; would you care to balance that by telling us exactly what you didn't like about Bush, how you argued against his expansion of the domestic budget and executive power while he was in office, and who you would like to replace long-term Republican senators and representatives?  Don't worry about writing new material: feel free to reprint your blog posts from the last eight years challenging Bush and the Republicans, and that will satisfy my curiosity. 

the facts

Submitted by skayne on Sun, 04/19/2009 - 13:36.

This nonsense about the Community Reinvestment act has to stop. http://washingtonindependent.com/34376/battling-the-cra-myth

The financial services industry lobbied congress in order to ease restrictions on high risk sub-prime loans. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A64650-2005Mar24.html

Conservative leaders will continue to mislead the flock about the true culprits of this crisis, deregulation and the gutting of oversight agencies.

Here's a quick study on the mechanics of the crisis. http://vimeo.com/3261363

I know the facts don't seem to matter, but I thought I would try.

Just curious

Submitted by Lonestar Bill on Sun, 04/19/2009 - 13:41.

Do you believe there was more or less regulation imposed on business during the Bush administation? Since you are all about the facts and all.

It depends on how you do the counting.

Submitted by NextRightNando on Sun, 04/19/2009 - 14:45.

It depends on how you do the counting.

Take just as one example, the EPA and air-quality standards. One one hand, the Bush Administration issued new rules. So, if you want to make the case that the Bush Administration issued lots of regulations, you can count those rules as evidence for your argument.

However, the effect of those rules was to REDUCE aire quality standards - to allow for industry to belch more soot, smoke and and other air-borne particles into the air. So, if you are like me and like to breathe, you would count that as effectively less regulation.

Were you counting on the Iraq war ending and Gitmo closing?

Submitted by Lonestar Bill on Sun, 04/19/2009 - 16:20.

Issuing rules like those?

But the reality is that they are both still in place?

Less, much less.

Submitted by skayne on Sun, 04/19/2009 - 14:04.

Less, much less.