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Katrina and the Bush-did-nothing Mythology
Hurricane Katrina was one of the worst natural disasters in US history, and the Federal response to the Katrina Hurricane stands out as one of the worst man-made PR disasters of the Bush Presidency. For the Democrats, though, its been a boon: They've used it to hang many sins around Bush's neck, tarnish his reputation wrt 'competence', accuse him of racism/uncaring, in the process turning Katrina into a myth of how Bush did 'nothing' or was a massive "fail".
When in came up in a previous thread, I gave a response to the myth. Since this is a major brick in the liberal 'narrative' on the Bush era, I believe it is worthy of more extensive discussion/resolution. Without absolving Bush, Chertoff, DHS and FEMA completely, it is certainly the case that the Democrat spin on this is massive hyperbole and distortion. They've created a Katrina mythology at odds with the real story.
The spin and counter-spin on Katrina started less than a week after the event itself. Here is Jack Kelly with a column within 2 weeks of the event noting:
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05254/568876.stm
Journalists who are long on opinions and short on knowledge have no idea what is involved in moving hundreds of tons of relief supplies into an area the size of England in which power lines are down, telecommunications are out, no gasoline is available, bridges are damaged, roads and airports are covered with debris, and apparently have little interest in finding out.
So they libel as a "national disgrace" the most monumental and successful disaster relief operation in world history.
My own comment on this was ...
Bravo to the Dems for constructing a narrative around Katrina and getting away with it, but it was always a fictional one. they blamed Bush and FEMA for failures at the state and local level in Louisiana/New Orleans and go away with it. They took a strawman ("does not believe in government") and a slanted view of what went down in New Orleans and turned it into a rallying call.
Meanwhile in the real world the folks close the real action who saw beyond the MSM narrative:
- Louisiana voters replaced a failed Democrat governor with a dynamic reforming conservative Republican Governor.
- Here in Texas, Katrina was a stellar example of neighbor helping neighbor, as Governor Rick Perry, cities in Texas, and people, church groups and agencies and organizations pulled together to help the many thousands who were displaced. Hundreds of thousands of Katrina victims found temporary shelter in Texas.
Me ... I just remember the flooded schoolbusses:
While they whined about lack of help from the Federal govt and the rest of the country, and demanded busses, here is what the city of New Orleans let happen to their own busses:
After letting this happen, losing 300 busses in the process, Mayor Nagin says: "I need 500 buses, man. We ain't talking about -- you know, one of the briefings we had, they were talking about getting public school bus drivers to come down here and bus people out here. I'm like, “You got to be kidding me. This is a national disaster. Get every doggone Greyhound bus line in the country and get their asses moving to New Orleans."
It gets worse: the New Orleans disaster recovery plan directed that municipal buses would be available for those without private transportation. So much for the plan.
Let me guess the answer from the Bush haters- Flooded school buses a quarter mile from the Astrodome that nobody thought to drive to higher ground? Bush's fault!
In fact, busses were scrambled from other states, due to the fact that New Orleans didnt take care of this themselves. As Jack Kelly notes, they arrived within 48 hours of the time the levee broke in New Orleans. Given the logistics involved, this is an achievement.
I got further response on this thread ("growing the failure") from "in between", to which I added more further points:
http://www.thenextright.com/jon-henke/growing-the-failure#comment-28886
Well, let's see. Certainly everyone involved is to blame. The mayor, the governor, and the president.
And certaintly that balanced view that local and state Democrats shared blame for errors in the response has never been the Democrat talking point line on this. It's all "Bush's fault." Nor is it often acknowledged in the Bush-bashing that having a cat 5 storm land on top of a major city and having an entire city flood will inevitably cause suffering even with perfection from emergency responders.
Most importantly, the state and local officials are the first line on defense on this - they screwed up bigtime in 2 particular respects:
1. Failure to order evacuation properly. Nagin initially made the evacuation a voluntary evacuation, made it mandatory too late (Sunday), and did not implement many of the steps laid out in emergency response plans. (including using city busses to help in evacuation.) He and other local officials also are the ones who created the superdome fiasco, by telling people to go there but not being prepared to handle the large numbers of people for more than 24 hours.
http://www.greatestjeneration.com/archives/002331.php
The primary responsibility for dealing with emergencies does not belong to the federal government. It belongs to local and state officials who are charged by law with the management of the crucial first response to disasters. First response should be carried out by local and state emergency personnel under the supervision of the state governor and his emergency operations center. The actions and inactions of Gov. Blanco and Mayor Nagin are a national disgrace due to their failure to implement the previously established evacuation plans of the state and city.
You mention:
What is interesting is that Bush had a teleconference just 2 or 3 days before the hurricane struck. They went through every detail on this hurricane.
What you dont mention is that Bush called Blanco and Nagin personally to get them to order an evacuation. Nagin waited until the last moment to to do that, waiting until Sunday to order mandatory evacuation. One source notes:
apparently took a personal call from the president to urge the governor to order the mandatory evacuation.
One shudders to think how worse it would have been if Bush HAD done nothing.
2. Failure by Gov Blanco to call the national guard out sooner and to manage to control looting in New Orleans. Nagin himself complained that Bush met with Blanco offered to help and Blanco asked for 24 hours to make a decision. She was too worried about political ramifications to make quick decisions; these folks were more interested in CYA than in 'get 'er done' action.
I think it struck over the weekend and it was a Wednesday morning that Bush shows up in Louisiana saying " Brownie, you're doing a heck of a job." Now all of us sat in front of the TV for some 2 or 3 days waiting for a response and we had none.
Bush is blamed for 'slow response' but in fact in practically all cases it takes a number of days (3-5) to be on the scene from the Federal level. As one source noted:
For instance, it took five days for National Guard troops to arrive in strength on the scene in Homestead, Fla. after Hurricane Andrew hit in 2002. But after Katrina, there was a significant National Guard presence in the afflicted region in three.
You state:
It was truly amazing that the federal government was nowhere to be found.
Which is untrue - Coast Guard, Navy and FEMA pulled thousands from rooftops ... As Bush put it ... "- 30,000 people were pulled off roofs right after the storm moved through. That's a pretty quick response."
They were there, they just werent where the TV cameras were (eg at Superdome). A comment from 9 days after the storm on what WAS done in just that short term:
http://www.greatestjeneration.com/archives/002332.php
I write this column a week and a day after the main levee protecting New Orleans breached. In the course of that week:
*More than 32,000 people have been rescued, many plucked from rooftops by Coast Guard helicopters.
*The Army Corps of Engineers has all but repaired the breaches and begun pumping water out of New Orleans.
*Shelter, food and medical care have been provided to more than 180,000 refugees.
You say:
Instead of saying "Brownie, you're doing a heck of a job", he should have kicked some ass.
Bush and the Feds /DHS had their eyes off the ball initially in first 1-2 days. But by Day 4 after the flooding, Bush met with Nagin and Blanco and toured the area and said 'The response is not acceptable'. Bush himself, not happy with the response in the first week, put Gen Honore in charge of coordinating the response. Within 2 weeks, Brownie was fired. Ass was kicked. And Bush supported pouring $100+ billion in aid for recovery of NOLA area.
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/english/doc/2005-09/03/content_474781.htm
You state:
Some of this was the governors fault too. However, we should have had some response by the president well before then, but got nothing.
"Nothing" is false. Maybe Bush/FEMA/Feds should have done more faster. But "Nothing" is precisely the mythical strawman pretend-Katrina that the Democrat and liberal MSM allies created. The FEMA response may have been slow and disjointed in the first week, with too much red tape out of DHS/Chertoff, and with the overall response much hampered by incompetence by Nagin wrt evacuation and superdome etc. and indecisive non-leadership by Gov Blanco. But there was never "Nothing" to the response. Not when thousands of Coast Guard missions and hundreds of FEMA agents were ongoing in the first week, and not when an entire city of people was eventually housed in cities in many neighboring states.
Somehow that same Bush FEMA managed to adequately help with Katrina in Miss., Rita in Texas, a number of hurricanes in 2004 and other disasters before and since, and get good to great reviews in most instances. But then in these other disasters, it befell cities and states less prone to blame-gaming and more able to take initiative at the local / state level to do what needed to be done.
Bush, by trying to save money, dismantled FEMA and put it in Homeland Security.
Another canard. It was not dismantled. It existed. Being under DHS did not make FEMA go away or lose any funding. the reponse may not have been what it should have been, but it was there.
I will leave you with yet another response from one who was there, I found while researching this just now:
Hey Rhettswife...let me congratulate you on your smart comment. I am a democrat and have been my entire life but to blame Bush for Katrina is absolutely ridiculous. All of us that lived thru it should remember how we were warned that this was the big one...that we needed to leave Nola. The people that stayed should not blame the government...they should blame themselves for being ignorant and stupid. If there is anyone that should have been blamed as well for this fiasco should be Car 54 where are you? This moron that was elected as our mayor was as dumb as the people that stayed. This city will never prosper because we have nothing but whiners that are use to handouts.
The bottom-line here is that the "Bush-did-nothing on Katrina" meme is false. The record needs to be corrected on this.
http://travismonitor.blogspot.com/2009/05/katrina-real-and-imaginary.html
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Couldn't Have Said it Better Myself!!!
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Phew ... thanks!
Came here expecting the comment to be a liberal giving some heat on this and got your kind comment instead. thanks.
I know the feeling!!! :)
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It works better...
... in a post of its own rather than trying to direct some random tangent.
Guilty of that to some extent myself.
Some trolls know how to push my buttons, but I've been developing Asshole Immunity here of late.
You destroy your own argument
With these two sentences you destroy your entire argument. Hurricanes aren't earthquakes - you can see them coming from hundreds of miles away.
Nagin and Blanco?
Where the hell were they? It was known that New Orleans could have this catestrophic event for many decades. They had no plan. Democrats in charge, on the local scene, and they FAILED miserably and completely.
I will simply repeat the line from the OP
I will simply repeat the line from the OP:
It wasn't until the media reminded them that NO is part of the United States and therefore part of their responsiblity that they acted. What more needs to be said?
The American people have made it abundantly clear that they don't want that kind of Federal government - a president who will interrupt his vacation for the Terri Schiavo bill but who says "not my problem" when a major American city goes underwater.
But you go right on saying "the Katrina response was good" - I'm very happy to have that line of thought permanantly attached the public's perception of the Republican philosophy of government.
And you go on
with your hero worship of Nagin and Blanco and their bungled response to Katrina.
The press pointed out that your party, which held primary responsibilty for response to this disaster, had not only fumbled the ball, but left the field.
But you go right on saying "the Katrina response was good" - I'm very happy to have that line of thought permanantly attached the public's perception of the Democrat philosophy of government.
I remember...
..sitting through Hurricanes Charlie, Frances, and Jeanne all in one year.
I never saw any federal agency there, except for FEMA, and that was after the fact. FEMA took care of things fairly quickly once they got involved.
There were curfews issued after each of the storms. The feds did nothing.
THey didn't need to. It's a state matter.
It takes a lot convince
It takes a lot convince people what they saw wasn't what they saw. I applaud your efforts. Too bad the damage to the Republican party has already been done. I suggest focussing your efforts on convincing us that Nancy Pelosi waterboarded KSM in the capital rotunda.
Exactly Wrong
This is the time to go back and take a reasoned look at the event and determine what happened without the shrillness of campaign politics lurking in the background.
Katrina is an important event that will be studied and analyzed for years.
By itself, Katrina is a
By itself, Katrina is a seminal event.
Taken in the context of 8 years of Bush's administration, Katrina is merely part of a devistating indictment.
From the view of the far left
But of course, thats a skewed view. The "backlash" against this your line of thinking is already begining, highlighted by the fact that Obama agrees with Bush on so many of his most "despised" policies.
Time to wake up and smell the backlash . . .
http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/greenwald/66112
the delicious irony of course
the delicious irony of course is that Obama is, in fact, President. the previous administration's failures were so numerous and profound that it made possible the election of man whom no American believed could ever occupy the highest office in the land.
the collective experience of 8 years of Bush forced us to look elsewhere for leadership, outside what was once possible. bush helped make Obama possible.
Irony: If Bush was OK after all, then Obama will morph into Bush
Think about what you are saying. it's not irony that Obama won when Bush got unpopular. Frankly, a financial crisis and a war not well executed are better reasons to flip who runs the WH than in most elections. That's standard issue politics.
What I am asserting is that the anti-Bush meme of incompetence is way way overblown. Yes, Iraq was mismanaged (I largely blame Bremer's fateful decision to disband the Iraqi Army for extra 3 years of chaos), but wars are like that - we lost more men in a WWII D-Day *training fiasco* than we did in Iraq's first 4 years.
Katrina? See above. Way overblown. An Obama DHS just screwed up with a stupid report last month making it sound like veterans could become terrorists. An Obama FEMA will be no better/different than a Bush FEMA, you can take that to the bank, because govt agencies stay with 98% of the same people anyway.
Key differences are policy, but even there ... oops:
http://www.thenextright.com/remains-of-the-middle/i-hate-being-right-som...
What will be profound irony will be when Obama comes to realize that Bush wasnt wrong on many issues and ends up following in his footsteps, despite the campaign rhetoric of "change". This is starting to happen on multiple fronts.
Eat crow, lefties. It's a price of power.
What we saw was a Bush
What we saw was a Bush incompetence.
"Mission accomplished." Clueless
"I believe in a strong dollar" as the dollar went lower. Clueless.
"We are winning the war on terror" for three years as the war got worse. Clueless.
"Brownie, you're doing a heck of a job." Clueless
"free trade" as factories close. Clueless
"America, has no problems" at the olympics. Clueless
Iraq mismanaged? Heck yeah. He never consulted Bob Gates, James Baker, Brent Scrowcroft, or his father. And when asked, Bush said, "I listen to a higher authority." Bush only listened to the neocons. Bush 41 had 500,000 troops for one war and the war paid for. Bush 43 had a max of 170,000 troops for two wars and the wars were not paid for. Bush did the old "guns and butter" economics like LBJ. Have a war and have your program and not pay for it. LBJ had inflation and Bush deficits.
We have sat in front of the TV on New Orleans as people screamed and there was no answer from Washington. We sat in front of the TV for three years and week after week Bush kept saying we were winning the war, when we were losing the war.
Bush was asked at a new conference on the price of gasoline last year may go to 4 dollars a gallon and he was clueless.
So there you have it. A delusional clueless social conservative that believed in his failed ideologies. It was all one way or no way with Bush. Stay the course as things got worse.
In between clueless
And yet Obama follows the same course. So by your reasoning, Obama is as clueless as Bush.
http://www.commentarymagazine.com/viewarticle.cfm/it-s-a-good-time-to-be-george-w--bush-15152
Or could it be that you and Obama are only just now being "clued in"? Congrats on catching up to what the rest of us already know . . . good luck with your failed narrative . . .
Obama will look at the
Obama will look at the issues pragmatically. Stay the course with Bush was his "guns and butter" creating deficits and debt. His persistence in saying we were winning the war when we weren't and staying the course with his economic policies and foreign policies. These are all problems that Obama inherited and he will size up with a pragmatic approach instead of staying the course at all costs.
those yellow school busses
Correct. look again at those New Orleans school busses incompetently left to get flooded, tell me that didnt happen. THAT IS WHY LOUISIANA NOW HAS AN ACTIVE, COMPETENT REPUBLICAN GOVERNOR, Gov Bobby Jindhal, who btw, did a spot-on job wrt Hurricane Gustav. You couldn't fool the people of Louisiana that failures in Katrina was all Bush's fault. Those who lives through more than one hurricanes know the Federal response is only part of the picture and you need competent state and local response to make it all work.
The media bias and the Democrat talking points didn't fool many of those who have personal experience to contradict the DNC/ liberal MSM narrative. It did however fool many who only got their understanding of Katrina via CNN and New York Times reporting.
Haley Barbour
...seems to be doing pretty good.
Case closed.
Simply awesome
Maybe one of the benefits of Bush being out of office is that a many liberal squawking points can be addressed and dismantled.
Living in Houston, I have strong feelings about Katrina and the response.
One thing that I think needs to be mentioned is that everyone knew for decades that New Orleans was doomed some day. The corruption in Louisiana and New Orleans kept any action from being taken to protect the city from a Cat 5 hurricane. Imagine a city and a state that knew they had a major problem that could cost the lives of thousand of their citizens, knew it for decades, and yet did nothing. Nothing to fix the levees, nothing to create effective evacuation plans, simply nothing.
I had long viewed NOLA as an irresponsible, wayward sibling . . .fun to be around, but knowing that there was going to be a major screw up down the road, and Mom and Dad were probably going to have to pay for it.
I was proud of Houston, the responsible big brother that had a plan and capable people.
What Katrina comes down to for me is this:
Louisiana corruption and irresponsibilty. Knowing that "the big one" would hit one day and having no plan in place is unforgiveable. And Ray Nagin? What a joke. A symbol of all that was wrong with NOLA and the attitude of its citizens.
Houstonian view on Katrina
And well you should. Houston took in more Katrina refugees than any other city I'd wager. And if I recall, what you got for it in return was a bump in crime rates and burden on social services.
Lot of good points you make.
I'd also add that when I visited NO pre-Katrina, it had a bit of a 3rd world shabbiness to it, I was kind of surprised/ let down by that when I visited. It was a city that had been long mis-governed and mis-managed.