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"I saw the Empire State laid low.."
This was a line from an old Billy Joel song Miami 2017. Sadly, it accurately describes the straits of the New York State GOP.
Now, lots of folks will immediately post that this is a liberal, Democratic, Bush hating state chock full of nonwhite and nonchristian voters. Well, it wasn't Goldwater's Arizona a decade ago and the state still had a Republican Governor, a Republican senator, a Republican attorney general, and a dozen GOP congressmen.
Not to mention Giuliani was Mayor of NYC then.
So where have the mighty fallen:
a) the leader of the NY State Senate is stepping down http://www.cbs6albany.com/news/bruno_1255832___article.html/decision_joe.html
Now Joe Bruno had been pretty much a status quo Republican over the past few terms; even opposing former Governor Pataki's budget cuts at one point. But with liberal Democrats controlling the rest of state government; status quo was actually pretty refreshing. We can thank Bruno for contributing to the self-immolation of former Governor Eliot Spitzer, for example.
Republicans are highly likely to hold Bruno's seat in the Albany suburbs but with a razor thin margin going into this election and many vulnerable incumbents, Dean Skelos's tenure as Majority Leader may be brief. http://www.wkbw.com/news/local/20747614.html
b) the Island of Lost Dreams
Staten Island's 13th Congressional District has been a Republican stronghold since the days of Reagan. It would take a political disaster for the Democrats to swing this seat. And guess what......the Republicans have had two already this year.
First, Cheato Vito Fossella's drinking and philandering render him politically toxic, so he stands down for re-election. Then ,after all the well known local officeholders passed on the race, a retired financier stepped up offering to partially self fund the race, and got the nod.
And he died
http://www.nypost.com/seven/06242008/news/regionalnews/gop_left_in_the_lurch_on_si_116950.htm
Now there are enough registered Republicans and behavioral Republicans in this district that even one of the "nobodies" might win, since McCain is expected to carry this area. But we've taken a double whammy here.
Mike Bloomberg, who has never been accused of not having good radar for this stuff, exemplifies this. Adopting the GOP as a flag of convenience post Giuliani, he has now become quite publicly "independent".
It's likely that in 2009 there will be no indicia of GOP control of state government, low single digits of Republican house members out of 29, and control of no local government larger than some upstate counties.
No matter what you think of New York, this sort of weakness in the nation's third largest state--and still it's mainstream media capital--isn;t good for the party in the rest of the nation.
Looking outward, the national party may be too closely identified with southern white protestants for this electorate.
Looking inward, mushy moderate officeholders have made the local party's "brand" hard to distinguish from the Democrats. Weak candidate recruitment and gaffe prone campaigns haven't helped either.
If there's ever a state that desperately needs its own "Next Right", it's New York, Will the locals rise up, or will they huddle in the bunker or call Mayflower?


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These are not unrelated
"Looking outward, the national party may be too closely identified with southern white protestants for this electorate.
Looking inward, mushy moderate officeholders have made the local party's "brand" hard to distinguish from the Democrats. Weak candidate recruitment and gaffe prone campaigns haven't helped either."
This is part of the box that has been squeezing northeastern Republicans. Hew to the party line, and you're wildly out of sync with your electorate; stray from the party line, and you're just Democrats-lite.
What is needed is something that is neither the national party line brand of conservatism, but isn't just a form of splitting the difference between that and the Dems. What that is, though, I confess to having no idea.
I don't know what that is either...
...but I would venture to guess, it's not far from what any fiscal conservative would support. So stick you your fiscal conservative values and the public will come around when they have learned there is no economic future in liberalism. Of course, the quicker they are given a chance to learned that lesson, the better off the country will be -- if you catch my drift.
ex animo
davidfarrar
I'm not so sure
The core of the problem -- or, at least, a core of the problem -- is that the denizens of northeastern states (except, perhaps, NH) have really become pretty used to being high-tax,high-service states. What it means to be a fiscal conservative in such places is indeed to just be a Dem-lite, because anything more conservative than that is unelectable.
Need Some help Branding the Party differences?
A car jacker that murders an innocent person - Who would he vote for? a Democrat or a Republican?
A Gang of Home Invaders that bound and murder innocent people- Who would they vote for? a Democrat or a Republican?
A drug dealer- Who would he vote for? a Democrat or a Republican?
A person that believes 9/11 was an 'inside job'-Who would they vote for? Democrat or Republican?
Any street level thug, Any inept unemployable D*****,Any identify thief,Any homegrown Terrorist sympathizer,Anyone that disrespects Old Glory,Anyone that stands in the way of school vouchers,Anyone that cannot read,Anyone without a bank account,Anyone without a drivers license, Who would these people vote for?
All it takes is a figurative pair of gonads and an honest assesment of reality.I could go on and on if you would like me to.
One vital thing for all of us to remember and to accept as Empirical Truth. Everyone is born a Liberal, it takes reason and is a personal decision to Change into a Republican. We are all born Liberals.Democrats are just people that do not have the capacity to evolve their mental faculties to free themselves of the reasoning ability of a child.- You would do well to remember this.
what a moronic comment
but anyone who's followed his comments would know not to expect anything better from Czarmangis.
Let's be clear, Czarmangis: you are a living, breathing example of why the right is completely screwed at this point in time. This kind of willful idiocy & acting like an out-of-control jerk is what has driven the great middle portion of the country away from the right, and it's already going to be damn hard enough to bring them back without numbskulls like you spouting off. Now, if you like the idea of being a permanent 30% minority in this country, then fine, keep up the good work. But don't pretend to yourself that tantrums like that are helping the right one bit.
Which comment was the 'Moronic' one?
Please do tell.....Because I stand by all that I have said.
I had hoped for more constructive dialogue
----sigh----
This is a decade-old argument. . .
. . .that never got settled between Christopher Caldwell and Robert Stacy McCain. I would say that the fact that the argument still isn't settled, and that the most serious opposition to Obama's candidacy has been seen in West Virginia and Kentucky (border states) ought to be instructive to the conservatives at large.
This isn't a Northeast vs. Deep South fight.
Well, it shouldn't be
Now I do not personally know unfashionable the Republican party is elsewhere in the country, but when we are having the problems we are having scaring up strong candidates these days in middle class and small town districts across the Northeast, well, some of the usual excuses simply aren;t viable now.
As a Kentuckian. . .
. . .(for what that's worth), I've been fairly well blessed with conservative representatives. I have Ed Whitfield, Mitch McConnell, and Jim Bunning as my congressional delegation. Not too shabby, all things considered. Some would label McConnell as a RINO for this vote or that, but once they've seen his voting record as a whole, the label just doesn't stand up. The same goes for Bunning and Whitfield. Neither of them is perfect, but they're a whole lot better than their Democratic challengers would be in any given year, and Kentucky voters know that.
Northeastern Republicans face a different situation. If Christopher Shays voted like Ed Whitfield, Connecticut would have run him out of office a long time ago. If Olympia Snowe voted like Jim Bunning, the same thing would have happened. And, if either Whitfield or Bunning tried to run in the Northeast, they'd be trounced. So, the fact is, Northeast Republicans are different from Midsouth, Deep South, or Western Republicans. But, Midsouth Republicans don't have to worry about losing their seats if they vote 100% conservative. So, being labeled as a RINO isn't much of a danger.
But, if Christopher Shays or Olympia Snowe stray from the conservative line on a couple of votes in order to keep their seats in Congress, they run the risk of being tarred as RINO's, thereby losing the most conservative "base" supporters who turn out for elections, plus the much-maligned moderate supporters who don't really care about ideology, which leaves them open to the suddenly discovered "moderate" Democrat being pushed by the Netroots because they found the opening they've been looking for.
What we're up against is an organization that has figured out that putting a Democrat in a given seat is the important first step in placing "progressives" in those seats in the future. One Jim Webb will establish a Democratic incumbency that will increase the likelihood of a more liberal Democrat down the road. They understand that partisan incumbency is worth something, because it's easier to replace a less-than-ideal Democrat with a slightly better Democrat than it is to replace a less-than-ideal Democrat with a brand new Republican in 90% of all elections.
Well Played Walt, Well Played Indeed.
You know, I had never thought of it that way before.This is the sort of information that can determine whether some people feel it is important to vote or not to vote.I hope 'TNR' can manage to illuminate this scenario you have just opened my eyes to, and make it well-known among our peers.
Again, Well played and impressive.
Really?
if Christopher Shays or Olympia Snowe stray from the conservative line on a couple of votes in order to keep their seats in Congress, they run the risk of being tarred as RINO's
Just how long have you been interested in Republican party polictics? Because you don't seem to know a blessed thing about the subject.
You've explained my problem with Lindsay Graham
"Midsouth Republicans don't have to worry about losing their seats if they vote 100% conservative. So, being labeled as a RINO isn't much of a danger"
A Senator from South Carolina doesn;t have to vote to the left of Joe Lieberman on some issues.
What the Netroots are doing is the old "boil the frog" routine. They'll run someone like a Webb or a Casey who is somewhat to the right on a few high profile issues, then once he gets in he slowly and quietly drifts left on everything until he has repudiated all his moderate stances (with the exceptions of October and November of years he is on the ballot).