The brilliance of Nobel laureate Paul Krugman

I chime in with Megan McArdle (H/T)

Wow.  Just . . . wow.  .Paul Krugman, circa 2002

The basic point is that the recession of 2001 wasn't a typical postwar slump, brought on when an inflation-fighting Fed raises interest rates and easily ended by a snapback in housing and consumer spending when the Fed brings rates back down again. This was a prewar-style recession, a morning after brought on by irrational exuberance. To fight this recession the Fed needs more than a snapback; it needs soaring household spending to offset moribund business investment. And to do that, as Paul McCulley of Pimco put it, Alan Greenspan needs to create a housing bubble to replace the Nasdaq bubble. (emphasis added)

My word, was this ever nonsense on steroids.

I can assure you that the people actually involved in real estate finance out in the hinterland in the early '00's would have explained quite concisely the risks in "bubbling" real estate---since Mr. Krugman obviously ignored the popped bubble circa 1989-1990. But we aren't Ivy League eggheads and we weren't asked.

Let's deconstruct the impact of this remarkable paragraph

A) It was easy for Paul Krugman to identify the real estate bubble in 2006 since it was exactly what he lobbied for in 2002.

Worst still, you spent the second Bush term bashing him for presiding over policies you endorsed. 

B) Krugman often scoffed that the only tool Republicans ever want to use is cutting marginal tax rates. Look in the mirror, Paul.  Everytime the economy hits the least bit of trouble, you immediately demand the fire hose of stimulus --either monetary or fiscal or both--be turned on.  It' a Johnny-one-note approach.

C) The solution to the popped Nasdaq bubble was the real estate bubble. Now the solution to the popped real estate bubble is the federal budget bubble. When the Chinese stop lending to us. are we going to find another bubble to blow up?  What is this--Bazooka economics?

There's always a crisis in capitalism for Paul, and there's always a bubble to fix it.  Should the guys in Oslo do a recount about that award about now? 

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The irony of this post: There is no irony in the title

 

Talk about confirmation bias based on a selective quote from a long article.

The first two comment  responses to Megan McArdle's blog post:

melwrc: Wow indeed. Krugman knew what the hell he was talking about long before it was apparent. He must be really embarrassed to have said in 2002 that the goal was to create a housing bubble to replace the stock bubble. And clearly he was proposing it as a permanent solution. Oh, what's that? A couple years later he wrote an article called Running Out of Bubbles that followed up on the 2002 article?

"As Mr. McCulley predicted, interest rate cuts led to soaring home prices, which led in turn not just to a construction boom but to high consumer spending, because homeowners used mortgage refinancing to go deeper into debt. All of this created jobs to make up for those lost when the stock bubble burst.

"Now the question is what can replace the housing bubble.

"Nobody thought the economy could rely forever on home buying and refinancing. But the hope was that by the time the housing boom petered out, it would no longer be needed."

I'm sure you can find plenty of predictions/recommendations of any 2-days a week economic writer that turn out wrong, but you chose a really bad one here to make an example of Krugman. The 2002 article was explaining what the Fed was doing at the time. And he was dead on.

Blutarski: You've lost me, Megan. I just read the column. Krugman predicted exactly what Greenspan would do, and made it perfectly clear that it would be disastrous. Greenspan did what Krugman predicted, and lo, it was just as disastrous as Krugman said it would be. Am I missing something?

[emphasis and minor formatting mine.]

 

"The irony of this post:

"The irony of this post: There is no irony in the title."

There is certainly some irony in the username of the poster.

 Should the guys in Oslo do a recount about that award about now? --Ironman

Don't you know 'sex pervert, liberal comedian David letterman made a joke about raping a 14-year old' and the right wingers wanted him to be fired.

liberal economist Paul Krugman wrote a paragraph (miraculously unearthed recently by an anti-Krugman researcher) that was prescribing the housing bubble which led to the current crisis or something... let's strip him of that Nobel Prize.

You know, you guys at least be patient, honest and deal in facts in your criticisms of the left. Right now you look bitter, mean and desparate to latch on to anything and distort without remorse to launch into an attack on those you disagree with.

Ironman has prize envy

He has bitched repeatedly about Krugman's Nobel. See here and here for just two examples.

I guess JHT think it's ok to make jokes about statutory rape...

and perfectly ok to continue another Great Big Lie by the farLeft in the world that most of the Nobel prizes are awarded on merit --and not political connections and a shared, one-world ideology with the farLeft.

Frankly, the Nobel Prizes in the last 40 yrs have lost all value as a meaningful award for merit.  It's like the Pulitzer, the Oscar, the Tony or the Emmy... it's more likely to be given to those inside the farLeft clique who share the farLeft perspective than to those who actually contribute something of worth to society or advance modern thought.

Just take Al Gore -his award should have been renamed: "The Anti-Bush Consolation Prize".  And if BarryO is in trouble in the polls in 2011, the Nobel committee will likely nominate him for a Peace Prize... or maybe a delayed Literature Prize for his works of fiction?

But JHT, you go on defending jokes about the statutory rape of a young person and the merit in a Nobel prize... because one shows your Hollywood values and the other shows your willingness to continue another Great Big Liberal Lie.

UR talking points R rong

It's Webb who fiction, not Obama. And it's him who talks of a father kissing his young son's penis.

You remember Webb, the guy that Reagan appointed? He's the guy you gotta get back in your party. If, as you insist, you want to moderate.

I make no claims to knowing anything about the politics of the Nobel Peace Prize, but I do not think you understand very well the process, either.

Are you deriding Chu's Nobel Prize, too?

Knackers, put down the dope and clear your limited faculties

texting is for phones and mobile devices and drug-addled idiots like you.

Use your words, try completing a sentence, try articulating a cogent thought.

This isn't the DailyKos.  Over there, you'd be golden... or in a golden shower.  Here you just look like an addled idiot with limited faculties.

as opposed to your squatluck picnick?

yeah... well, you asked for that.

That was an articulate, cogent thought, expressed in the minimum amount of verbiage possible. Soemthing that I would just like to note that you consistently seem to have trouble with.

Knackers, articulate usually includes spelling, grammar, et al

picnick is picnic

squatluck is a term only you and your pals at Dumbrella.com seem to know

soemthing is something

Now, go play with the kiddies in the farLeft sandbox at DailyKos... it's where you know you really belong.

heh. you cna't even get yourself invited to one of those

can you?

so sorry, you're loveless and alone,and unworthy of even that much consideration, you lout.

Flouting rules is different than flaunting them. you might consider the difference sometime.

3 words for you that might help, Knackers... if I may

be so bold: TAKE YOUR MEDS.

More corrections for the perfectly articulate Knackers??

heh is actually "hey"

cna't is actually "can't", which is evidently something you can't spell

Like we said:

"Now, go play with the kiddies in the farLeft sandbox at DailyKos... it's where you know you really belong."

You're clearly out classed, out gunned, and out-to-lunch.

outgunned? nah... I'm just practical.

then again,,, those geocachers stole my fucking gun. Who the hell puts a gun in a geocache?!? I think they replaced it with Nirvana tapes!

The rest of my guns are in utah. Do you need me to bring up a link? I know that the guy running my bunker sells ammo and supplies...

Knackers, put down the dope and clear your limited faculties

texting is for phones and mobile devices and drug-addled idiots like you.

Use your words, try completing a sentence, try articulating a cogent thought.

This isn't the DailyKos.  Over there, you'd be golden... or in a golden shower.  Here you just look like an addled idiot with limited faculties.

As opposed to the shat from

the A$$Hatt from Michigan?

Vern, the rutting deer, must still be smarting from his takedown

in the other threads.

I get it you are angry, Vern.  But that's ok because, if I were born with your lack of intelligence, I'd be angry at the world, God and the GOP, too.

But you keep going with those petty, spiteful cut-downs.  They fit you well coming from the grade school tot lot of life.

Lets look at the brilliance of Ironman

Ironman on March 2 wrote this:

[The Dow] is poised to open below 7,000 today and few think we've seen the hard bottom quite yet.    The Democratic Party had an opportunity to bring in a fresh legislative team to deal with this problem and we had an obligation to the public to force this to happen. The results are rather obvious. I won't belabor the deficiencies in Obama and Geithner's decisions to date; but if there was an opportunity to change market confidence; this opportunity was lost.

The Dow is now at 8500. And, oddly enough, no one is talking any more about how the stock market is the ultimate measure of Obama's performance.

The simple fact is that Ironman sees Krugman as a lefty and therefore he dislikes him, so when he sees someone else dredging up a portion of an old column and attacking him for it, he is happy to repeat the drivel on this site - context and relevance be damned.

 

and this is the main reason not to listen to Ironman on

economic issues. I make no comment on his lawyerly prowess (though I know better lawyers), but his economic understanding is so incomplete as to verge on misunderstanding how the world works.

There is another reason: Hypocrisy?

 

Ironman on Ann Coulter:

"Typical Cornell grad. Ann Coulter --a lawyer pretending to know genetics. It's as bad as Olbermann, a loudmouth washed up sports announcer screaming about statecraft.

One advantage to getting a 'Cuse degree is we are taught to offer opinions on stuff we might actually know something about. It's those haughty beautiful Ivy leaguers who are experts in everything."

Ironman arguing with a Nextrighter says "Much as Ann Coulter plays geneticist, flailing businessman NRN plays lawyer..... to even worse effect, I may add."

I am sure Krugman is not pretending to be an economist, that leaves Ironman....Just like the dems should not hold the Republicans accountable when Rush Limbaugh(even though considered to be a leader and a spokesperson by many republicans) says nasty things about the President or a SCJ nominee (because he is not an elected member you see), Ironman is not a right wing economist, he is just a lowly right wing political blogger, therefore he is not accountable for his own bs on this topic. (But I am surpised at the swiftness with which the Next Right editors have endorsed this blog post to the front page.)

Look at what they had to pick from

I am surpised at the swiftness with which the Next Right editors have endorsed this blog post to the front page.

Speaks volumes about the poor quality of the entries. I guess it was either this or Ruwe declaring the Bushism is the wave of the future.

Ivy league egghead?

  But we aren't Ivy League eggheads and we weren't asked.

Paul Krugman? Yeah, he isn't  Ironman, or Ann Coulter.

Epic misreading

 Wow! Mischaracterizing Krugman so drastically borders on plagiarism. It's quite obvious from reading Krugman's article that he is NOT in fact advocating a housing bubble as an economic solution. He's saying that an obvious reductio ad absurdum of Greenspan/Bush's economic approach (e.g., tax cuts for the wealthy) is to create a new bubble. The fact that the author produces such a disastrous misreading to bash Krugman is a depressing commentary on either the author's intelligence of the rank partisanship on this website. 

Exactly

He was making a prediction about what the Bushies would do not offering a prescription for what they should do.

Exactly Right

Megan McArdle looks nothing short of a bitter, second-rate Luskin here.

And that is going REALLY far down:  Luskin and his paranoid-schizo obsession with Dr Krugman, and his stalker's willingness to burn all bridges, misstate and mischaracterize any fact, distort any quote, and deny deny deny have been an unending source of merriment and ridicule for the Left for years.

Add Ironman and Michigan Matt to that list, would you?

 

Jim Dandy must be still smarting over his bitchslapping takedown

in the last few threads.

My, what a petty bitter little mind you have, JimDandy. You're going to make a name for yourself around here --at least with the farLeft trolls who habit this site for the pure pleasure of infecting all with their special brand of irritation.

Wouldn't you be better off with your own kind over at AmericaBlog or BlogActive?

Na,

... little bitches like you can never take me down.

 

Hmmm..  do you cut and paste stock little comments like these, and just change the targets?  You are a pathetic little troll, and you'd be better off with your kind on Free Republic.

Character Assassination...

The next right is...character assassination.

Hitler said, "kill the Jews."

Coming next week, an article by Ironman about how user Malevolence wants to "kill all the Jews." Really, he said it in one of his posts!

Pathetic. This is what the opposition to the Democrats has to offer as a path forward to a two-plus party system. One party rule it is, I guess. Dumping $#!+ on your opposition and then calling them dirty isn't the answer.

I make no comment on his

I make no comment on his lawyerly prowess though I know better lawyers, but his economic understanding is so incomplete as to verge on misunderstanding how the world works. economic issues.

"Botox New York"

How bad is it? Even that spammers are laughing at it.

So, how bad is the original post? So bad that even the idiots who post here just to create links to their rubbish websites are laughing at it. I believe that is a first - they usually pretend to politely agree before providing the link to whatever they are selling.

Actually, Nannie, the real idiots are guys/gals like you...

who seem to delight in the perverse pleasure of being contrarian on a site that clearly doesn't share their ideology or world view but persist in commenting on things as meaningless as your comments above about a spam link.

And you think the idiots are elsewhere?  No, Nannie, it the guys/gals like you who stretch so far and contort so wildly to find something astray where none exists.

But, then, that's been the plight of the farLeft since the days of Gene McCarthy, no?

And the bloggers' Nobel for brilliant analysis goes to...

Ironman!

dude, your surgical deduction of that paragraph was awesome!

Is this a joke?

Or is this 'hypocrisy' taken to  a whole new level?

so misleading

Always read the source article, not just the feigned outrage over an excerpt.

At no point in it is Krugman advocating the creation of a housing bubble. He is saying that's the Fed's only option to avoid a double-dip in the recession.

This diary would be better titled "The prescience of Nobel laureate Paul Krugman"

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