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President Obama and House Republicans
- "President Barack Obama rolled into the Capitol with a clear message for Republicans Tuesday afternoon: He’s happy to talk, but he’s not compromising on his tax rebates for lower income households."
- "Obama's aides cast the visit as an outstretched hand — and it got slapped."
Obama went to Republicans saying I'll talk, but I won't compromise. Republicans went to Obama saying we'll talk, but we won't compromise. I'm not surprised that Obama's aides tried to paint him as the gracious victim, but I'm a little surprised that the Politico printed it, unchallenged.
However, Ben Smith has an excellent take on what it all means.
Obama has always seemed to distinguish between cooperation and compromise, and his argument on the campaign was that he would find some way to get the former without the latter. That has been, so far, the pattern: Decisions like ending torture and (slowly) closing Guantanamo Bay didn't offer any real bone to people who disagreed with him, other than he'd showed up and listened.
By this view, "bipartisanship" is as much a brand as any conceivable Washington reality. [...] Obama doesn't need [House Republican] votes. But his visible, cable-television-grabbing bipartisan gestures are aimed at cementing his hold on that brand, and ensuring when Republicans and Democrats go their separate ways, Republicans are seen as the partisan ones.
It seems to me that being an opposition party - as House Republicans were today in their vote against the stimulus bill - is important, but it is ultimately a losing strategy. The only way to beat the hand Obama is playing is to take the initiative, to change the subject, with new policies and arguments that put Democrats off their game. And even that will take quite some time.
I don't see much evidence that Republicans are able to do that right now. There's just no larger, unifying framework for a transformative policy agenda, and no apparent policy innovation being done. Without the unifying agenda and policy innovation, Obama will continue to set the agenda, and Republicans will lose ground at every step.
- Jon Henke's blog
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I don't think it's that bleak
In the months ahead, there will be all kinds of stories about the waste in the stimulus bill.
The GOP lost credibility on fiscal responsibility during the Bush years, and now the people trust Obama to do the responsible thing. Four months down the road, that trust will turn sour.
I like it that the House Republicans took a stand on this one.
opposition is all the GOP has right now
It's not just a a larger, unifying framework that they lack. They also lack the votes in Congress needed to get anything done. From now through at least November '10, the best they can to do is to block a few of the very worst bills (maybe), document what they would have done differently if they controlled Congress, and run on these issues then.
Painted into a corner.
The GOP in the House has no good strategy or tactic available currently. Obama knows he can push any bill he wants through both houses with zero input from house Reps. The only reason he has met with House opposition more times in 8 days than Bush did in 8 years is to control optics and who owns the "bipartisan" label.
Getting any bill through with no House GOP votes, while reaching out for bipartisanship is the best of all possible worlds for Obama and the Dems. Even one or two GOP votes messes up a very powerful meme. Commentators still refer to Clinton's 1993 budget 15 years later because, A) it worked as planned and B) it passed with no House GOP votes. Had even one GOP member voted for it, the political anecdote would have never developed.
Those on the right who are happy that "Obama owns this one" would be advise to consult Joel Chandler Harris' character Brer Rabbit who pleaded, "Please don't throw me in that briar patch."
Boehner is still one of the three most feared
people in Washington. That's all. His party discipline is unrivaled.
Republican infuence
Henke is right to say that obstructionism -- the present Republican strategy -- is a loser for them. If they block it, they will be blamed for any new bad economic news. If they fail to block it, they will be seen as completely irrelevant.
Henke is wrong to say Republicans had no influence over the bill that passed yesterday. Look in the left wing blogs -- Ezra Klein for example -- to see long lists of Republican changes. These include more emphasis on tax cuts (Krugman also complained about this), and dropping capital restoration and family planning. If Republicans oppose the package no matter what, the package will become more Democrat friendly.
The New Machiavelli
Assuming the facts are as stated, the optimal strategy for the Party of Grant and Hoover is to get as many bad ideas as possible into each bill before finally not votin’ for it anyway.
Soon or later America’s party is bound to catch on, no doubt, but hopefully that will happen only after things are really screwed up.
Happy days.
*chuckle* nt
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Ezra Klein's "long list of
Ezra Klein's "long list of Republican changes" is a long list of scraps thrown across the aisle to give the appearance of compromise without the substance of compromise, and to spare Democratic members the embarassment of trying to explain to their constituencies how spending on things like contraceptives amounts to economic stimulus under even Keynesian criteria.
In only the loosest sense of the phrase -- "We have shamed the Democrats into dropping some of the most outrageous, inexplicable boondoggles" -- is any of this evidence of "Republican influence" on the bill. It is therefore completely unsurprising that a lying sack of shit like Ezra Klein would be peddling the meme.
Jon is right...
as is Igm above. The block Republican vote against the package will not help them in the long run. As Igm pointed out, Republican did have an effect on the bill. But in voting uniformly against it, they removed Democratic incentives to compromise on any front. So wait till the next bills.
It's true, Obama is donning the robe of bipartisanism. The failure to compromise enough for Republican tastes is nit-picking in the image war, which they've lost for this round.
Kos's logic appears to have prevailed. If the plan works, Democrats will take the credit regardless of Republican votes; if it fails, Republican who had voted for it would go down with the ship in a primary challenge. The better part of wisdom as straight political calculus goes was to vote against it.
But if it succeeds the long-term effect on Republicans may not be all that great in many smaller ways. While the plan includes no "outright" earmarks, it may be possible to manipulate the contract award system to favor supporters and not favor detractors (unless there is a good Democratic challenge waiting in the wings for that district). It will be interesting to see how this plays out.
Kissell (nc-textile mills)
got/tried to get a buy American provision into the bill. still not a no-bid (which I abhor), but what are your thoughts on it?
Mixed feelings about Buy American provisions...
On the one hand, they interfere with free trade views which can promote economic efficiency (although externalities should be taken into account more). On the other hand, they can reap certain short-term benefits. Bush protected the steel industry from foreign dumping for just this reason, which bought it breathing room. And Joseph Stiglitz wrote very smartly about how China unlike Russia during the liberalization of their economies kept its fingers on certain protectionist measures in order to keep internal growth on steady pace rather than become the free-for-all oligarchic debacle that consumed Russia and created Putin.
For certain contracts, buying American will be inherent--high-tech weapons-related stuff or, say, digitization of government records (this is something I know that cannot be off-shored, having worked in the industry).
In fact, I have heard one very strong argument that one of the downsides of tax cuts is that much of the money could end up in foreign hands anyway through the purchase by Americans of foreign-made durable goods. Government spending, on the other hand, can keep more of that money internal to the country without even having to resort to artificially-imposed protectionist measures.
Early indicators of Obama's bipartisanship
From a political perspective I think two indicators will be interesting to watch in determining Obama's real interest in post-partisan politics:
In any case, it will be interesting to watch.
both naive and savvy.
he picked Rahm for Chief of Staff. That means he knows he's gonna need someone to herd the Congressional cats.
I know a guy what crashed a party specifically to harangue Obama. Said the most striking thing was that Obama actually listened to him (not that he bothered to change his opinion or nothing). [same feller is fond of saying that Obama is an asshole, so, you can take his opinion with a grain of salt]
Losing Strategy?
The question is simple:
Is Obama's Stimulus Package Bill good for the country and the people or not in the long term?
The house republicans were pressed with this question. And they did the NEXT RIGHT thing. (The first RIGHT thing to do is to make an official statement that the Democrats have turned into Russian/French Socialists).
Looking Back in 2008:
They failed to see the socialist policy of the cowered GWH Administration last year. Should I blame Bush? Yes. Because he allowed Democrats to take vital positions in his Administration. Bush failed policies are actual democrat/liberal policies heavily coated by GWH's party affiliation. Plus, all the budgets since 2007, the Stimulus Package (1st Q 2008) and the Bailout Plan (3/4Q 2008) were largely influenced by the Democrats. I still remember Cantor and the others fighting resisting the 1st Bailout but later caved in to GWH's request.
GWH might be wrong in many things but his main mistake in his 8 years of governance was embracing the failed democrat/liberal policies of the past. In the last 6 years, the main problem of the Republicans was their failure to "clearly distinguish" what is liberal and what is conservative, especially on the issues of budgeting and fiscal control.
Return to Reality:
Now the House Republicans finally saw the light. Because, obviously, BOTH the first Stimulus Package and the first Bailout Money are generally a big failure. We are still in financial doldrums, right?
AND ONE THING IS CERTAIN: WITH THIS KIND OF ALMOST 1 TRILLION PACKAGE, OUR FOREIGN DEBT WILL DEFINITELY MULTIPLY TEN TIMES IN JUST 2 YEARS.
In summary..... CONGRATULATIONS TO CANTOR, and the rest of House Republicans as well as the 11 Democrats!!! You just voted in favor of what you believe is best and right for this country.
BACK TO BASICS! BACK TO FISCAL CONSERVATISM!
RINOS MUST DIE FOR THE REPUBLICAN PARTY TO SURVIVE!
Lesson for all Republicans:
Republicanism/Conservatism is not about party affiliation or association. It is all about principles and policies. One can be a D but he/she can still be a conservative in his/her belief. One can be an R but he/she is a liberal/socialist funk through and through.
One thing is certain though: Pres Obama is a sure winner for a Liberal Socialist and a spending-spree leader from Chicago. Chicago... Does it ring a bell? HE is dangerous because he is a clueless President. He doesn't even know what bipartisanship really means. He's just like the majority of the present clueless Americans.
On Technical Note:
BTW, what kind of blogsite is this? I feel like I'm at the KOs (or Huffpo).
Losing Strategy Perhaps...
It is interesting to see the Democrats blamed for Bush's budget-busting ways. But I'm a little surprised at that. After all, Democrats did cave in on Bush's formidable tax cuts and pay to fund wars despite the ballooning deficit.
The irony is that during the Clinton years there had been a fairly rigid enforcement of the pay-as-you-go government spending model. Moreover, Bush's excess spending really was only in the area of defense. He didn't increase spending all that much as far as I can tell in the other departments (he didn't cut them much either, I'll grant you). What's Democratic about that is beyond me.
Need I add that Republicans have generally been huge fans of deficit spending, so I don't see how Bush was out of step with his presidential predecessors in that regard? On the other hand, I will concede that the Republican fiscal hawks in the Congress and Senate were either sidelined or changed their tune during these last 8 years. But again, it seems ridiculous to blame their refusal to hold the line on Democrats, who in my view, were even stupider and less ideologically pure than Republicans by supporting policies--tax cuts and deficit spending on wars--that jived even less with their purported ideology.
i'm a democratic libertarian
I want to help create a Republican party that i might choose to vote for. ;-)
expect a few other folks like me, and the majority conservatives of some stripe or another.
Best of Bad Options
The reality is that Obama's sycophants in the media were going to portray this episode as a psychodrama, with Obama as the bipartisan victim and Republicans as petty obstructionists, no matter what. That's simply the way the media narrative works:
Anybody who's been paying attention understands what's really going on, here -- i.e., that the Democrats are playing hardball to enact a pork-laden wish-list of liberal spending priorities in economic stimulus drag (see also, Rahm Emmanuel's admonition that you never let a crisis go to waste, because crises are opportunities to do things you otherwise couldn't), and Obama's meetings with Republicans and the scraps that Democrats have thrown across the aisle are all just mugging for the cameras. But even though the Democrats couldn't even hold their own caucus (which is to say that the opposition to the "stimulus" was bipartisan), it'll never get reported that way, so for Obama to try and further the entirely predictable spin, and for a pathetic hack like Ben Smith to repeat it uncritically, is approximately as surprising as the sun rising in the east.
In other words, this was never about who wins the short-term PR battle. That was never in any question. Because of the partisan orientation of the media, Democrats always win the short-term PR battles short of one of them getting caught fucking the neighbor's cat -- and even then they'll get the benefit of the doubt (see also, Charlie Rangel and Chris Dodd). If Obama peeled off significant Republican support he was going to get celebrated as a heroic uniter; since he didn't, he'll get sympathy as an earnest compromiser victimized by ideological meanies.
This is about -- and given Republicans' political predicament, has to be about -- the long game, in which there's quite a lot of upside but not much in the way of downside. There are two gambles here: one, that the "stimulus" as currently constituted will fail to do much of anything except line the pockets of Democratic interest groups; and two, that the economy will continue to sputter for the next twelve to eighteen months. The former is pretty much a foregone conclusion, inasmuch as only a fraction of the spending can be characterized as stimulus even under Keynesian criteria, and only a fraction of that money is actually going to be spent in the near-term. The latter is a riskier proposition, but hardly off the board. If the Republicans are right, and I think they are, then they'll have a terrific millstone to hang around Obama's, Reid's, and Pelosi's necks just in time for the 2010 midterms: "Hundreds of billions of taxpayer dollars spent and absolutely nothing to show for it. Democrats told you they could fix the economy, but they delivered nothing but rewards to special interests and a more intrusive government so awash in red ink that George W. Bush looks like a piker in comparison."
If, on the other hand, the "stimulus" works (highly unlikely) or the economy recovers sooner than anybody anticipates (distinctly possible), then Obama and the Democrats will get credit as economic geniuses anyway regardless of how House Republicans voted yesterday.
Yup you got it.
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Brews at my place later!
Last night Obama had 11 top Reps and 11 top Dems over to his new crib for drinks after the party line vote. Thank God there's partying in the White House again. Between the absence of Jim Beam, Jack Daniels, and Monica Lewinski I don't know how we survived the last eight years. Anyone get the impression that Obama is having as much fun as after work beer league softball?
Also, that he takes negotiation, competition, and winning about as seriously as most beer leaguers. We knew from the campaign that very little can make him angry or upset. Now I'm starting to learn that damn near everything makes him happy. He truly is the Democrat Reagan. Always smiling.
So he's a boozer AND a smoker.
And a Chicago politician to boot. I feel more secure already. Thanks for pointing it out.
A lover and a joker too.
But probably not a midnight toker anymore.
I heard next week he plans a speech on the Pompatus of Love.
Apologies to the great Steve Miller.
common knowledge dubya went back to
being an alcoholic near the end of his term. near the middle they had him shot up on soemthng every time he gave a speech (typical for republican presidents -- clinton never needed anything like that)
Have You No Decency Sir?
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umm... it's actually fair to ask
whether its a good thing to help out poor speakers who are President. After all, we don't elect people just 'cause they sound purty.
I'd say my problem with the folks helping Bush get over his "nerves" is that he had radically varying output, in terms of emotional quality of speeches. I'm absolutely certain they weren't trying to make the man look bipolar.... but seriously!
We medicate our military all the time (amphetamines in the airforce), I don't see why medicating the Commander in Chief is all that terrible. It's not like these are "mind altering" substances, so much as I'm talking mood altering substances. Which is fine, imho, you can't expect everyone to be on all the time.
oh, he takes competition very seriously.
just is remarkably equanamious about the whole thing.
never underestimate the charm offensive. it's what made the Supreme court so effective so early (unanimous votes)
LOL
Yeah he's just your typical, common, blue-collar guy who likes to have a little wagyu steak with his Schlitz.
What is wagyu steak you ask? Oh it's what every blue-collar Manhattan guy has in his freezer. Don't you?
No fair!
How dare you bring up wagyu beef this close to dinner time when I'm stuck at work for another 45 minutes.
I'm getting the DT's just thinking about ribeyes, filets, and strips.
Obama still has to fill that vacant Sec of Commerce spot. Wonder if Emeril Legasse is looking for a new gig? BAM!
Fascinating
... to watch the political calculus taking place in what's left of the GOP.
I think the Obama team has basically outmaneuvered the GOP on many different levels on this one. There really are only bad and worse options left right now.
Boehner won a questionable victory for those who felt the road back to power for the GOP is to go back to the "Conservative values" plan. Question is, is this the way back? Can the GOP win votes by trying to demonize the Dems as "Socialists" and "Pork Barrel Spenders" and continuing the Lott strategy of total Obstruction and Scorched-Earth politics?
It was a losing hand for Boehner and McConnell last cycle, as evidenced by the number of seats that were lost. Now Lott is gone, there is a history there, and the press and the polls show the public is taking notice. The current DIAGEO poll showed serious problems worsening for the GOP next cycle.
If the Stimulus works in spite of the obstruction attempts, if the Economy roars back, look out below. The Democratic Party will own the narrative and will be on the offensive.
Oh, Americans United for Change announced a wave of targeted ads today in the districts of several Republican Senators as well as a National Ad campaign highlighting the Campaign for Jobs and Economic Recovery.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6Qdt8uQm68
Seems to me like the Obama team is moving the ball steadily downfield, and mixing up their plays well, and the GOP is missing a defensive coordinator. Right now, Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity are calling the defensive strategy, and demoralized, desperate Republicans are trying to make the plays.
I wonder when the GOP leadership is going to catch on that Limbaugh and Hannity's not-so-secret plan is the destruction of the modern GOP Party? Their massive egos will then demand they assemble the shattered pieces the only "right" way: To rebuild a new, radicalized, all-right-wing GOP, in their image.
It was a losing hand?
Serioiusly?
From where I sit, they didn't even start to try to play it until the last week or so. It was "compassionate conservativism" until the day Obama was sworn in... or so it seems to me.
McCain, for example, certainly didn't run on "conservative values".
There is only one real road back to power.
For the Republicans there is only one real road back to the power and it is indeed with "conservative values" such as limited government. Centerfire got it spot-on right: in the short run the Democrats always look like the heroes because they have the MSM in their pockets so we have no hope of competing on that score. What's important is to get conservatives motivated and fired-up, to create a grassroots buzz and excitement. That excitement can only be created if the grassroots is actually excited! Why should I work my butt off trying to elect a Republican who will, given half a chance, stab me in the back (aka McCain)? We can't let the Democrats or their MSM handmaidens create the rules of the game, we have to create our OWN rules so that the MSM has no choice but to take notice and give us the coverage that we have earned on our terms.
So, will Republicans ultimately lose the vote on the porkulus bill? Probably. Will the Republicans be unfairly labeled as obstructionist jerks? Most likely. But that is what the MSM will always say about us and I know better.
MSM is in WHOSE pockets?
Certainly not Pres. Obama or the Democratic Party's pockets: Here is a news anaysis on just who got to talk to the American People about the Recvery and Stimulus Plan:
Surprisingly, only FOX News even came close to Fair and Balanced: Every other cable news channe was WAYYYY over to the GOP.
Until you lose the "victim of the MSM" mentality, you ain't goin nowheres. The GOP gets the lion's share of all the attention in every MSM except for the Web. The Wall Street Journal, the Nation's LARGEST circulation newspaper, regularly has Karl Rove and Rush Limbaugh writing Op-Eds and "articles", and people like Ann Coulter this morning were all over the morning MSM.
I know it gives you warm fuzzies thinking the usual right-wing claptrap: "If ONLY Americans could just get a FAIR listen to our message, they would see how KEWL we really ARE!!! But NO!!! They OWN the Media, dammit!!!!"
Sorry, bub. They get a FAIR isten and more, and they still are not buying.
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media bias
Ahh yes, that venerable source of unbiased truth, ThinkProgress. That IS where you got your pretty graph, right? LOL and you expect us to accept it at face value? You people amaze me. You complain about how much Fox News is biased but then you shamelessly put forth an unattributed graph from a left-wing outfit and then make sweeping generalizations based on that one single solitary graph.
So I did a little bit of checking with Lexis-Nexis myself.
First, many of the stories were only nominally about the stimulus. A lot of them focused more on the fact that Obama met with House Republicans "in the spirit of bipartisanship". The media wanted to know what was said at the meeting. And, guess what, since only Republicans and Obama were at the meeting, lots of Republicans were interviewed. Does this suggest a media bias in favor of the Republican viewpoint? No, it is the media following up on Obama's meeting. The stories really had more to do with Obama than with Republicans.
Second, as more evidence, here are just a few questions that were posed from our supposedly right-wing media towards these Republicans:
To Peter King: "MR. WATSON: So Congressman King, we know that the stimulus package is likely to pass in the House. Republican response right now, is that really about politics instead of policy? Is it really a reaction to Rush Limbaugh that we're seeing, instead of a genuine belief that they can alter the substance of the bill?"
To Marsha Blackburn: "Aren't we in a world of hurt if you front-load this, if you change the percentages on this, so that you're more evenly split with tax cuts and spending, and people don't spend what you give them in a tax cut? Aren't we in a world of hurt?"
To Eric Cantor: "First of all, the president did come to see you. He came to your turf, asked for your support. And why the pushback?"
These aren't softball questions. They are insulting, quite frankly. But it is standard fare from the MSM.
Third, and probably most importantly, ThinkProgress's "study" only counted members of Congress. So any time that Obama or his staff were featured in the news, arguing on behalf of the stimulus, that wasn't counted. By my estimation, Peter Orszag, Obama's budget director, appeared 3 times on MSNBC and CNBC in the same time period, discussing the stimulus bill. Not counted.
So, in summary, Jim Dandy, your little graph is full of crap.
In Summary
Chemjeff you only succeeded in validating the graph I posted.
According to the graph, in your supposedly blatantly and overwhelmingly pro-Obama MSMS, only FOX News was close in presenting views from both sides. You can't refute that.
Every other Cable news outlet, by far, presented more congresspeople from the GOP, the very same people who would be voting for or against this bill.
As to your point that they were posed tough questions, so what? They got FACE TIME to present their views. You don't see how much that matters? EXPOSURE -- FACE TIME --- NEWS CYCLE MINUTES is what politicians scheme, plan, and kill each other for. And the MSM gives the lion's share of those precious minutes to the GOP. They have for years, according to multiple studies which looked at which figures were invited the most to high-profile political and news programs like Meet the Press and Stephanopoulos. Since Reagan, and especially since the success of FOX News, the MSM has tilted Right.
But I know you will never accept that. You've been trained by the Media Research Center, Brent Bozell, David Horowitz, Kristol, Hume, and every major righjt-wing figure to cast yourself as a victim of the MSM, and nothing, no fact, no graph, no chart will ever change your mind.
Jim Dandy you are full of it again
No, Jim Dandy, I did refute that, and very conclusively. Your graph only counted members of Congress as representing "both sides", it didn't count members of the Executive branch, outside experts, economists for think tanks, etc., etc. The graph was purposefully and deceptively constructed in order to agree with ThinkProgress' left-wing agenda. They want to leave you with the impression that "And the MSM gives the lion's share of those precious minutes to the GOP" when that is not supported by the data. And some questions were tough, but a great number of the questions were just plain insulting.
So please, Jim Dandy, point out these overwhelming number of studies and reports that supposedly conclude the MSM is a haven of right-wing ideology. And try not to use ThinkProgress as your source this time.
Obstructionist jerks?
The GOP will not be labled as obstructionists unless they sucessfully filibuster a bill in the Senate. That does not seem very likely. As long as they let everything come up for a straight up or down vote, you can't honestly say they are obstructing anything just because the majority of GOP members vote against it.
The problem comes in the House where holding your caucus together, as Boehner did this week, buys you nothing but kudos and huzzahs from those who already vote Republican. It's preaching to the choir. And it risks shrinking your donor base.
All the donor payback goodies are inserted into bills in the House. If Boehner won't horse trade votes to get what Republican donors want inserted into bills, all that money will eventually flow to those who can get amendments put into bills. Namely Democrats. Green will always trump red or blue. It's really hard to sell a, "No we can't" message. I wouldn't give you a dime for it.
Electorally, Boehner is still making no inroads beyond the hard core base. And he only has two years before all of them face the music again. Sounds like we are well on our way to a replay of 2006 and 2008.
horse trading
So let me see if I can understand your argument. You suggest Boehner and House Republicans should "horse trade" in order to get their pork and paybacks for Republican donors inserted into Democratic spending bills. And this is of course assuming that Pelosi would even allow such a thing to begin with. And you think this is consistent with conservative principles how? Blowing up the budget with useless pork and giveaways is what got Republicans in trouble in the first place! I repeat: Republicans can never hope to out-pander the Panderers-In-Chief, i.e. Democrats. No matter how we think we can bribe or pay off someone to vote for us, Democrats will always come up with a better, more expensive, and more effective way, AND Democrats will get all the positive PR credit for it. Republicans, on the other hand, will only come off looking like corrupt politicos.
The strategy here is for Republicans to reclaim our FORMER base of limited government and fiscal responsibility. We don't do that by feeding at the trough right behind the Democrats.
I wasn't clear enough.
chemjeff-The current bill is all about dollars. But most are not. There are thousands of things that lobbyist, PAC's, and plain ol' donors want to see as new law that don't put money in people's pocket. They are just good law in their opinion.
If I want something put into law my first stop would be my congressman. If he could not get 'er dun, I'd probably go looking for another like minded person in another district and together approach their congressman. And in return for the constituent service I'd probably make a nice contribution to the reelection campaign of the guy who did me a favor. I think that would be the dynamic no matter which party any of us come from.
It would just be good manners for me as a liberal to financially support a GOP congressman from another district who accomplished something my own congressman could not. I think Boehner will strip his members of their ability to do this if he expects them to be in lockstep and not trade a few votes every now and then to get things put into bills that his members favor. And that strategy will slow down the critical campaign money flow.
But I'm starting to think Boehner may be playing high stakes poker. He wants major changes in the bill to happen during the Senate debate. And he wants to be able to say that his caucus hanging tough is what made those changes happen. Then he will free his members to vote for the final bill when it comes back to the house to have the changes inserted. If that is indeed his strategy, he truly believes the President's call for bipartisanship and is just going through the choreography of the dance.
But Barack could take out all the concessions he already made and slam the bill through the Senate forcing Boehner's guys to remain a big group of Dr. No's. That does not seem like a good situation for either side. But if the changes Boehner wants are too high a price for Obama to pay, Obama knows he has the winning hand and can get any bill he wants to his desk. He just has to sacrifice GOP goodwill. It seems too early to do that. But this is also likely to be the most important bill of the entire four years. So who knows? Time will tell.
It was Obama who promised bipartisanship
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Obamaship
No, actually, Obama promised Obamaship. To the untrained ear the word sounds like "bipartisanship" but there is a key difference. Bipartisanship is when both parties come together and find common ground in shared values. Obamaship, on the other hand, is when both parties come together and find common ground in worshipping Obama. Small, subtle difference, I know. But important.
:) Aw yes Cult-Obama
Well don't drink the free coolaid.
It was Obama
... who against the better wishes of his Speaker and many Dem Congresscritters, made them put in more tax cuts and take out portions which the Right found objectionable.
And he was repaid, in spite of public statements, with a very public middle-finger salute from Boehner and the united GOP caucus. Obama then invited them to a cocktail party, and he has ivited them to his Super Bowl party.
Obama must be very partisan, alright.
Those horrible Republicans!
Damn them for not eating the shit sandwiches we made for them, even after we added some attractive garnish!
Quotes in Posting
Hey there, just a reminder that when you quote news media or political papparazi (sp?), please provide a link. Did this come from the Portland OR lefty alt weekly or the NYTimes.
This matters quite a bit with context and rational discussion.
Thanks!
What?
There was a link associated with every quote.
Link
FYI at 1-29 19:33 running Vista latest patch, Mozilla 3.0.5, with Java 11.00 recently installed (prob the day before), Mouse Over Event did not have the link available.
I am a developer so I have some experience with this. Might be interaction with java 11.00. I did uninstall 11.00 yesterday as it caused massive problems with CalculatedRisk and Mish Shedlock's site.
Hold the Presses
I thought the next step was to go to the Senate.
Ben Nelson has already been a little worried about the Stimulus. McCaskill and others are talking about joining him?????
Ok, they pull the worst pork out at let that be decided later. Kondrake said today it should be 40% tax based.
The Senate does all the work to re-deign, maybe close to 40% tax. Senate/House R's join happily in helping to pass the thing.
Seem like R's are on the right side. And Rush L said 46 percent tax, 53 spending. Maybe R's get 40%.....I would say that is a victory.
No one minds some spending in these conditions. And we had the fun of looking at Pelosi's deer in the headlites moment with the contraception thing.
Sorry, I can see a nice way out this. But our guys will keep having to learn to conter-attack the media.