The Mob Revealed

Reports out of Florida indicate that Democrats have decided to do something about the emerging threat of those pesky voters talking back to their betters. You see, the way it works is the politicians talk AT the people, and the people shut up and listen. These angry people are doing it wrong.

In light of new video I have acquired, It's understandable that Democrats would want to stock up on Union security to put a stop to all that protesting.  Witness the mob!

UPDATE

Well, this is fascinating. The Tampa Bay Online story that I linked above has been radically changed.   It initially said this...

Reed said she set up the town hall with the help of Service Employees International Union, a large, politically active union that represents nursing home workers, among others. "I represent a number of people who ask questions about what's going on with health care, so I thought it would be good to put on a meeting and have the congresswoman come in and give an update," said Reed.

Asked earlier today about possible disruption at the event, Kim Diehl of SEIU said, "We're prepared. We have strategies to deal with it if it should come up."

That has been deleted and replaced with something far more SEIU/Democrat friendly:

The meeting was organized by Reed plus the Service Employees International Union, other unions and Organizing for America, a liberal group that grew out of the Obama presidential campaign.

Some opponents accused the organizers of trying to stack the crowd by allowing early admission to those on their side. Reed denied that, saying those admitted early were organizers setting up the room.

In any case, opponents appeared to outnumber proponents both inside and outside.

After doors to the meeting room closed, some of those outside crowded around the windows of the meeting room, where they held up signs and chanted.

In the last week or so, similar disruptive protests have erupted at town hall meetings in several states.

Democrats, including White House spokesman Robert Gibbs, have said the disruptions were organized attacks aimed at Democrats by conservative, anti-health care reform interest groups. Several protestors at Thursday's meeting in Tampa angrily rejected that contention.

Castor's staff said Reed planned the meeting and invited Castor before the controversy became so heated. Reed said she set up the meeting because, "I represent a number of people who ask questions about what's going on with health care, so I thought it would be good to put on a meeting and have the congresswoman come in and give an update."

Reed said she was shocked by the number of people who turned out and some of their reactions. "When you get to the point of possible violence, you've gone over the edge," she said.

In a news conference prior to the town hall, Castor had said, "I do expect some rabble-rousing." She said the protesters who have been appearing at town hall forums on health care "would have been protesting Medicare … they would never have accepted Social Security."

Tampa police spokeswoman Andrea Davis said the department was told a couple hundred people would show up and sent a squad of 10-15 officers, two marked cars, two supervisors and some undercover officers. As the crowd grew, more were brought in mainly for traffic control, she said, but they also broke up some scuffles. She said no arrests were made.

So they eliminated the part about the SEIU being a "large, politically active union".  They also eliminated the SEIU representative saying "We have strategies to deal with" the protesters.

In their place, they just inserted Democratic talking points. Terrific.

See also:

  • Red State

  • Carol with a report from the event (with pictures)

  • Nadia Naffe, who says police reports were file by people saying they were injured by SEIU people, as well as this: "The last thing I was before I exited the event were two women running over to a cop sitting in his vehicle, screaming, “Don’t you see that man over there has a gun?” The cop looked up and calmly replied, “Ma’am in this country people have the right to bear arms”."

  • The one picture of somebody actually being hit at the Tampa meeting.  The person delivering the hit is identified as Karen Miracle.  I'm guessing she's the Karen Miracle who is Treasurer of the E. Hillsborough Democratic Club.  Her husband, Garry (also pictured), is the Political Director.

  • Another apparent Democrat arrested.

 

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Balance, Please. Seems Like a Beck Inspired Mob

From the same article:

Instead, hundreds of vocal critics turned out, many of them saying they had been spurred on through the Tampa 912 activist group promoted by conservative radio and television personality Glenn Beck. Others had received e-mails from the Hillsborough Republican Party that urged people to speak out against the plan and offered talking points.

Any opposition, inspired by Glenn Beck and pre-made talking points, is not there to discuss health care. Their whole point is to shut down discussion and make a scene. Hippies and punks used the same tactics and they didn't get far. I have no idea why Republicans think this will be effective.

She pressed on, mostly unheard among screams from the audience estimated by Tampa police to be about 1,500.

"Tell the truth! Tell the truth!" "Read the bill!" "Forty-million illegals! Forty million illegals!"

Minutemen, too. That's a sure winner in the Latino communities. I'm surprised nobody brought their long form birth certificate in a baggie. Or their teabag headwear.

Karen Miracle pushes Barry Osteen, right, who was debating her husband, Garry. “We have the best health care system in the world and I’m completely happy with what we have,” Osteen said.

caption text: Karen Miracle pushes Barry Osteen, right, who was debating her husband, Garry. “We have the best health care system in the world and I’m completely happy with what we have,” Osteen said.

John, pushing is not hitting. I would assume Mr. Osteen was behaving poorly by invading Garry Miracle's personal space and Mrs. Miracle wanted to make some space.

The rabble rousing in all its video glory. This isn't democracy.

 

I can't believe this is the Republicans and the Next Right's new political message director: Glenn Beck.

This is a party in trouble.

 

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Lebensraum Defense

I would assume Mr. Osteen was behaving poorly by invading Garry Miracle's personal space and Mrs. Miracle wanted to make some space.

Ah, the Lebensraum Defense.  Well played, sir.

Nazi references. Classy.

Right, it's not like the two men in the pictures are practically chest-to-chest or anything. If I put my nose an inch from your face in the middle of an argument, answer me this: are you cool with that or are you a Nazi?

I mean that's literally how stupid you sound.

 

stupid?

Do some research.  The concept/argument of Lebensraum predates the Nazis.  I'm sorry if all you know about Germans is Hitler.  Would it be more classy and palatable to you if I said that white people massacred American Indians in the name of getting themselves more space?

The obvious point is that Todd wants to justify assault based on conjecture of motives, but it's still assault even if they're on your side of the political argument.  How classy is that?

Close Talking Is Acceptable in Tampa?

Out West, that's a form of intimidation. We don't consider close talking or close shouting 'classy.'

That you'd take my conjecture about the wife reclaiming some personal space and twist it into a Nazi war justification comment is very Rush-like or Beck-like. Kook-ville.

Plus, what happened to the concept of accuracy and proportionality? How did a push from a middle-age wife to a man twice her size become 'assault.' This is  just evidence of the lack of perspective in the conservative movement.

The GOP created this electoral monster where for thirty years they've basically controlled the American political agenda. Every election year, they'd get their handlers, the Rush's and Beck's to poke at the beast using the commie stick, gay stick, or liberal stick and the GOP would win...pretty easily. For thirty years the beast was basically satisfied, until 2006 and 2008. I believe there has been a fundamental change in the electorate and because the beast is fundamentally conditioned to fear change and senses permanent change, it is not handling the new electoral country at all and are now lashing out at everybody. Frankenstein rampaging. Big, ugly at times, misunderstood, angry and uncontrollable by the GOP leadership. The beast pays attention to their real handlers: the Limbaugh's, Beck's and Malkin's and those guys like to keep the monster angry. It's a shame that McCain was not considered a 'real' conservative, since it's becoming more obvious that 'The Next Right' will not appear until a 'real' conservative is beaten.

You're locked on a straw Nazi

 

Out West, that's a form of intimidation.

So your standards are that standing close = unacceptable, pushing = acceptable.  Got it.

That you'd take my conjecture about the wife reclaiming some personal space and twist it into a Nazi war justification comment is very Rush-like or Beck-like. Kook-ville.

That all you can do is say "Ooh!  'Nazi'!  'Nazi', I win!" is a complete failure of argument--especially since the Germans used Lebenstraum to fuel aggression for a couple generations prior to the Nazis, who I never mentioned.  There is nothing really wrong with your thinking that Lebensraum started with Mein Kampf, I suppose, but your ignorance on the topic doesn't suddently invalidate the fact that all you have is conjecture about this woman's motives--not that wanting more space is a justification for starting a physical confrontation anyway.

That's the actual point here, and you seem to have completely missed it in your fervor to cling to Godwin.

How did a push from a middle-age wife to a man twice her size become 'assault.'

Try looking up 'assault'.  Do you really need someone to spell out that if she did push him then she turned a verbal confrontation into a physical one?  And that she is both morally and legally wrong to do so?  I'm not sitting here suggesting that he should press charges, but it's ridiculous for you to suggest that he deserved to be shoved by some woman just because he was disagreeing with a man at a forum for public debate.  It's even more ridiculous for you to then accuse him of being the one who is anti-democracy.

 

I'm Not The One Who Threw Out "Lebensraum"

Godwin award goes to the one who refers to Nazi first. You win. You should realize that when you refer to Lebensraum, the vast majority of people on the net will think you are refering to the Nazi program.

Try looking up 'assault'.  Do you really need someone to spell out that if she did push him then she turned a verbal confrontation into a physical one?  And that she is both morally and legally wrong to do so?

You must have nerves of steel. A moral standard unequaled in America. If somebody got into the face of somebody I care about and tried to intimidate them, I'd push myself in there. I'm fairly certain, you can't just camp in someone's face without permission and you are legally allowed to 'physically' create some space.

cling harder

Again, I offered you the slaughter of American Indians by evil whites in place of your Nazis, but you ignored it.  Probably because you really do see that you are wrong, and all you've got is this weak claim to Godwin.

And no, it is not legal to assault somebody just because they're standing close to your friend.  Really for real, it's still illegal, especially when you are the third one to the party.  Heck, they don't even permit that in hockey (see "Third Man In" rule).

But since they played hockey in Germany and the Nazis were Germans, you'll probably dismiss everything I've said here.  Godwin!  Godwiiiiiiiiiiin!

Wahhh

We are aware that freedom of speech doesn't extend to a heckler's veto right? You are not permitted to use your second amendment rights to drown out someone else's, no matter how many self-righteous conservative bloggers whine on about people being expected to "shut up and listen." There's a portion of the town hall for questions - maybe some of these folks should use the down time to study that Constitution they love so much and see that they're violating it.

No freakin' way.

I have trouble telling the satirists from the real thing sometimes; are you for real?

We are aware that freedom of speech doesn't extend to a heckler's veto right?

It certainly does.  There is no legal protection against being interrupted by someone else's speech.  You can kick hecklers out of a private gathering, but they retain their right to free speech.

You are not permitted to use your second amendment rights to drown out someone else's, no matter how many self-righteous conservative bloggers whine on about people being expected to "shut up and listen."

Second amendment rights?  Wow.  Now that would be a story!

There's a portion of the town hall for questions - maybe some of these folks should use the down time to study that Constitution they love so much and see that they're violating it.

I'm really, really hoping that this is satire.  You're killing me.

From Tea-bagging to townhall tyranny

Why do conservatives try to conflate people organized by lobbyists with a financial motive, provided talking points, probably being paid, with honestly concerned citizens?

Whether with the tea party "protests", or now with these townhalls, conservatives continue to prove that their concerns come from the top-down, not with a groundswell of grassroots support.

Is their anything conservatives do without the slimy tentacles of big money?

 

 

skayne needs to change his name to "skate"

because it seems skayne/skate is very willing to let the farLeft and MoveOn.Org and CodePink and the entire farLeft anti-WOT faux protest campaign of "End this endless war" nonsense to skate without even a slap on the wrist for being organized, non-grass roots, Dem Party and union goon organized astroturfed events.  H-y-p-o-c-r-i-t-e.

And now, the Dem Party and farLeft fans of union goons are pushing back against those simple, honest, decent, truly grassroot citizens trying to gain a moment of any Democrat Party official's time to say "No, not with my health care coverage you won't."

For instance, in Michigan, Democrat Senator Debbie StupidCow has launched her own 'protest the protesters protesting me" campaign with "The Health Care People's (sic) Lobby".  She's working hard to make sure that her union goons are in attendance at her townhall meetings to heckle the grassroots citizens concerned about her version of health care reform.

http://stabenow.senate.gov/healthcare/peopleslobby.cfm

At least Senator StupidCow didn't pull an Obama-cums-Black-Panther nonsense of asking loyalists to report fellow citizens who are acting or espousing "fishy" emails about Obama's "righteous and pure and clean" version of health care reform.

I'm looking forward to being one of those angry people in the audience at Senator Debbie StupidCow's next townhall meeting... wanna bet she holds it in a union hall and you have to show a union membership card to get in?

Chickenshits.  Barn yard chicken shits.  You can let 'em skate, skayne.  I'm holding them accountable.  No NancyBoToxPelosi Talking Points.  No White House Talking Point answers.  The message is "I'm against the health care reform proposals of the Obama-Democrat thugocracy and I'm not intimidated by the threat of Chicago thugs, either."

(PS> does this now qualify for one of the farLeft trolls here to alert the White House on me?)

Stupid

Is your argument really

"Dem activist organizations staged protests against the war, therefore we are 100% covered if United Healthcare or Heritage or the Koch family pays right-wing front groups to shut down town hall meetings in Democratic Congressmen's districts"??

That is REALLY stupid.

Jim-bo, you don't have to open your mouth to prove

you're a dolt and leftie git.  We all know that.  Now, take a second and read the post... it's amazing what even a git like you can learn if you stop and actually read something instead of just knee-jerking another wad off in your mouth.

Honest, the last few comments of yours here aren't even worthy of posting.  Get a brain.

Jake

You can stick your opinions of me right where your other stupid opinions come from:  Up your ass.  And my size 12 boot will help.

Thanks for again proving my point, Dandy, about you...

Honest, the last few comments of yours here aren't even worthy of posting.  Get a brain.

One thing you've been consistent about... you are the perfect troll.  Even with your fashionable set of blinders.

 

Remember this from last year:

Remember this from last year: "Jesus was a community organizer!" Now all of a sudden community organizing is treasonous because it's being used by real Americans instead of racist anti-capitalists.

One of the defining characteristics of leftists is their genetic disability to recognize irony and hypocrisy in themselves, but the ability to find them in others when they don't exist. This is a classic example.

What is driving these ultraleftists crazy is that the center-right is finally fighting back; and in some cases, using their own age-old strategies and tactics against them. People are now seeing how they have been manipulated and lied to by the leftists and the Media hegemon; hence, the outrage being displayed by the real grassroots over the health care issue. Similarly, the desperation on the Left when they can no longer rely on popular ignorance is being exhibited by their violence and condescending slanders and libels intended to demonize and intimidate the informed. It's difficult to see how this strategy against the majority of Americans opposed to this Administration's "economic terrorism by health care" is a winning one -- legislatively or electorally.

Grassroot - Just Like They Had In the Astrodome

Snicker, damn the inter-tubes.

 

The only thing missing

The only thing missing from the granny piece is where they demand the government keep its hands off the National Health Service.

Oh, that and a reasoned debate about health care reform. <Sigh>.