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The Online Right
Why does the Right side of the blogoshere have less traffic, a smaller audience, than the Left side of the blogosphere? Chris Bowers, writing at MyDD and Open Left, has addressed the question previously. While I don't agree with all of his analysis, he makes very compelling points. A substantial part of this disparity is attributable to simple cyclical dynamics. While the Right has been in power, defending the status quo, the Left has been storming the castle.
Storming the castle is much more fun.
There are other contributing factors as well. Perhaps Progressive demographics and the "creative class" divide play a part; the Left has certainly invested a lot more in building smart, strategic online infrastructure.
But I wonder if there's not another factor - an artifact of the 1990s - that is being overlooked. It's easy to forget that the Right was generally considered to be ahead on the internet until about 2003. Opposition to the Clinton administration resulted in a number of popular websites, such as Newsmax, WorldNetDaily, Free Republic and Towhall. And while it is ideologically opaque now, the Drudge Report was generally thought to be right-of-center at the time.
For quite some time, those sites dominated the political landscape. But, with the exception of Townhall, they never really evolved. While left of center magazines, online media outlets, advocacy organizations and and think tanks embraced the new media, the legacy Rightospere remained resolutely devoted to its Web 1.0 model.
It wasn't until 2003, when the Progressive blogs really found their voice over unifying grievances like the Iraq war, specific political narratives, and clear movement leaders like Howard Dean. But when the 2004 election ended, the online Left continued to grow. And why not? After all, like the Right in the 1990s, they had "an axe to grind, and plenty of fury to turn the wheel."
Today, the Leftosphere is the dominant public channel for political communication for the onine Left...but is that also true of the Rightosphere? I'm not sure. Take a look at the following Alexa chart of traffic to various legacy Rightosphere sites compared against Daily Kos.

While Alexa is far from a perfect measurement, this certainly suggests the legacy Rightosphere is, at least, competitive. But the top right-of-center blogs do not do so well.

Based on a few conversations I've had with people who have looked into online consumption patterns on the Right, I think it's very possible that the online Right has two distinct cultures: one that evolved into the new media culture, and one that never made the transition out of the 1990's internet culture.
- The Web 2.0 Right has evolved into the new media age. They read blogs routinely, and may also use social media, social networking and bookmarking tools. They are comfortable with, even participants in, the social, collaborative media.
- The Web 1.0 Right, however, is still operating in a one-way world - an online news media that does not really encourage dynamic online activism, collaboration or engagement with the news. This audience is getting some news...and that's it. The engagement process ends there.
That is only a hypothesis, at this point and I would be interested in seeing more data on internet consumption patterns on the Right. If that's the case, though, we ought to start thinking about how we bring the Web 1.0 Right into a more dynamic, collaborative Web 2.0 Rightosphere.


Comments
An Answer No One Will Like
But it seems the very nature of conservatives indicates a resistance to change. In the late 90s, early part of this century, Free Republic was a big dog of onlien activism. The left took over when their grievances increased, along with their time out of power. Without pain, there won't be change. Until Conservatives see a need to go further and deeper online most won't.
The Rightosphere would be the biggest beneficiary of an Obama Presidency and unless that happens (or until another Democrat wins), I fully expect people to remain somewhat unsure in cyberspace.
There's some truth to that.
There's some truth to that. Also, think about the geography and economics of our base versus theirs. Theirs are largely upper middle class to wealthy, urban, graduate school educated, and unmarried -- in other words first movers. Ours tend to be less educated (although in my opinion smarter), rural or suburban, and married with children. Many still consider the Internet something they log onto for a few minutes in the evening on the family computer, mostly to check their e-mail (they don't have blackberries).
The ideological difference tends to play into it as well. The conservative rank and file are largely respectful of heirarchical authority, just as long as it isn't a government bureaucrat. They read an e-mail telling them Bill Clinton is a child molester and they forward it on, and that's about it. While George W. Bush has not been a particularly conservative president, he still enjoys reasonably high approval ratings among the base. Why? Because he's our president.
This is probably why efforts on the Right are so much more likely to be based on Washington or have an inside baseball feel. It's the people at the top of the political heirarchy.
I think a Democratic presidency will probably give a shot in the arm to the rightosphere (after all, in so many areas, we're at our best as insurgents), but the larger question exists as to whether we're psychologically inclined to bottom-up politics, no matter how many good websites sprout up.
Something to consider, though: while the busy conservative housewife with three children is unlikely to become a regular participant in the rightosphere, the conservative IT professional, the conservative video editor, the conservative graphic designer, all possess skill sets suited to building an online infrastructure that can then more effectively organize our base in a hybrid of bottom-up Internet politics and top-down Republican politics. Maybe the GOP should be digging into Voter Vault, or buying more consumer lists and digging deep into the demographic crosstabs to identify ordinary people who know how generate the content or spread the message, and be contacting them with specific asks using their particular skill sets. Just thinking out loud.
Moonbats have Lots of time on their greasy little hands
That's the simple reason there is more "activity" on Left sites. Personally I most likely wouldn't be on this site right now if I still owned my own business,was married w/children /was out chasing down swingin love babes or any combination of the three.
If you ever watch 'Washington Journal' on Cspan ,7-10AM, you will see exactly what it is I mean. Moonbats are mostly unemployable scum, know-nothing college students,suzy homemakers,paranoid shut-ins,bitter misguided ethnics, and retired and/or disabled govt.employees. You do not find many business owners or motivated and relied upon employees within the left wing. Reading just about any post at Huffzbullah or the DailyKooKoo will give you ample evidence of what it is I am telling you.
The Right can't be in the position of pulling people away from their lives to take part in Blogging.We are the backbone of what makes this country the most succesful on Earth and for most Republicans doing what it is that I'm doing now,responding to a Blog Post, is construed as a Massive waste of their time. Be happy with what we get is what I say.
/Seriously Condi! Call me!
Simply put the answer is money
Wealthy leftist saw the internet for what it is -- and began dumping large sums of money into leftist sites determined to take over the internet the same way they have taken over the MSM and academia.
Most of the big leftist sites have been subsidized in ways that right sites could only drool over.
People like Czarmangis are bringing us down
Look at the stupid things that Czarmangis wrote above. We can't expect intelligent people to take us seriously if we use terms like "moonbats" to describe our friends to the left, and if we condescendingly call them things like "unemployable scum, know-nothing college students, suzy homemakers, paranoid shut-ins, bitter misguided ethnics, and retired and/or disabled govt. employees."
Take these people for granted if you want to, Czar. I guarantee you you'll regret it the day Obama gets sworn in to office.
The Web 1.0 Right
Stuck in the 1990's is exactly the descriptor for many I know on the Right. They get daily emails railing about the Clintons, but they don't verify the facts before forwarding these emails to me. They pine for yesteryear and simpler times. They exist, they are politically active, and they certainly vote, but you won't find them in the traffic patterns of Instapundit.
I'm not yet sure how they're going to fit into your vision of the future Right.
They're not internet people.
Why does the Right side of the blogoshere have less traffic, a smaller audience, than the Left side of the blogosphere?
Our people are a lot more likely to be listening to talk radio while driving their truck or otherwise working than to be browsing the internet. How did AirAmerica work out? The most likely role for the on-line right is to dig up information that Rush and Laura and the rest can spread to their millions of listeners.
I agree with this in part. I
I agree with this in part. I do think they're more likely to get their information from talk radio than from the Internet. However, they can be directed to Internet activism by talk radio personalities.
Several years ago, I worked on a website designed to generate grassroots traffic to Congress on a red meat issue. We accompanied this with an aggressive talk radio media campaign, calling producers and trying to get them interested in the issue. Eventually, we got the site mentioned on Sean Hannity and G. Gordon Liddy, and better yet, Rush Limbaugh did an entire afternoon on the topic, and repeatedly mentioned the website. That afternoon, we generated 55,000 e-mails to the Hill.
The key was that an authority in a conservative medium had directed his listeners there. Once that happened, they were all over it. This is a little depressing in the sense that it again means that a few media elites get to decide what flies and what doesn't, but it's probably a fairly accurate picture of what motivates the Right to engage on a particular site.
Is that internet activism?
Seems like talk radio activism, where the internet is just a means for the activism to take form. Bear in mind that Rush and others have both a radio and internet presence.
I'm of the opinion that a lot of the problem is that the "right wing" blogs are not actually very right wing. It's no coindence that Malkin is the top of the heap - she's the most conservative of the big players on the right. Perhaps if the other right wings blogs took more interest in the things conservatives are interested in, they'd do better.
Things Like
Worrying that Rachel Ray is wearing a Muslim scarf? I don't think that's the key to a successful online Right.
It's Execution
Daily Kos is a better site.
It's more visually appealing, and it draws people in better then most right wing sites.
As a web professional, even though McCain had the best website of any of the other candidates, its still a far cry from what it should be. McCain could leverage his strength in Town Hall settings to revolutionize campaigning in this country, and then take that to the White House and revolutionize democracy.
I could easily bring home this election for McCain if I was running he e-campaign.
Oh well, back to work.
You might be interested
in this link to a free LiveBlogging 2.0 application called Cover It Live. You can see the output over at Ace of Spades HQ.
Someday when I retire from IT, I want to dig up my old Sociology and Statistics textbooks, have enough time read all of WFB's columns, Thomas Sowell's essays and Edmund Burke's essays (not necessarily in that order), become a world famous blogger and a filthy rich Republican Operative. But for now I have to get back to work, too. An evil UAT is heading my way.
Web 1.0
I am amazed almost daily when I comment on Lucianne.com and put a blog link in the comment that subsequent commenters seem amazed that such a thing as blog sites even exist. And this is a pretty sophisticated commenting group.
Two reasons
I'm a Web 1.0 person, and here is my insight.
Two reasons:
1) Too busy. I have read comment strings on DailyKos that go on and on, with commenters catfighting with one another. Seems silly, defensive, and pointless to me. And the pompousness of some of these people! They are richly self-important. My life is full and fulfilling. I love my job, my family, and the great outdoors. Why would I waste time arguing online with people?
2) Too happy. This is the same reason I stopped going to art exhibits and modern theater. I am not impressed with the ennui these people ooze. I'd rather get around the happy people. Even though I long for smaller government and low, low taxes, it doesn't rule my life. I wish Fred had stayed in the race, but McCain will do right by me on the war, and my presidential priorities are as follows: The war. The war. The war. Judges. (I borrowed that from someone online, but I can't remember who. It stuck with me, so whoever you are, thank you.)
So, as a Web 1.0-er, I mostly just go about my life. I check in to Instapundit twice a day, about as often as I check my personal email. I follow some links. I laugh at Snarky Bastards.com I wish for a Fair Tax and a sensible voice on energy. I sometimes read Coyote.com or TJIC... but not to comment. Just to enjoy. After the kids go to bed, I may read through Rush Limbaugh's transcripts online. I read Jay Nordlinger's Impromptus on NRO. I consider the internet as entertainment, not as community.
I have a real-life community. Thank you very much for the great site.
Conservative sites
I was an enthusiastic Freeper for many years. Free Republic has Web 1.0 style discussion software, but it was (and probably still is) very effective in getting people to talk. And their posting of full text news articles + comments was a great way to read the news.
Unfortunately, Free Republic changed over the years to a site that was viciously anti illegal alien. I happen to be neutral to positive on the impacts illegals have in our country, and many of the comments started looking like outright racism and bigotry. The more reasonable voices, like me, were basically driven off the site.
I visit Instapundit many times a day and it reflects my pro war + libertarian on economic and social issues very well. But Instapundit is certainly not a place where members can communicate with each other or participate in activism.
I think Czarmangis has a good point when it comes to conservatives not having as much time as leftists to blog and participate in online communities. If you strip off the negativity of his post, he's right. But I think it would be a good idea to try and not think of the "enemy" with such loathing and contempt. Many leftists are good people who simply have different perspectives on society from us. Our task, should we choose to accept it, is to try and change those views by indicating the advantages ours have. It's not easy work but it's worthwhile.
It looks like this site is going to be quite interesting and I look forward to contributing to it.
D
racists and bigots
many of the comments started looking like outright racism and bigotry. The more reasonable voices, like me
If you're in the habit of calling people racists and bigots for disagreeing with you, I''m not surprised you wore out your welcome. In my experience the open borders Republicans toss that garbage around as easily as any Democrat. What they never do is make any actual arguments for their position.
The question of bigotry etc.
I was a very happy user of Free Republic for something like five years (I don't remember the exact count but it was a long time) before this change began.
I didn't use the either of the words "racist" or "bigot" while I was there. I will just say that I heard illegal immigrants being called gutter names like "animals" and "cockroaches" and felt very uncomfortable about it.
I think that people who struggle across the border and up to our country just to work at menial jobs for cheap wages are admirable in their persistence and dedication. I think that kind of person is who we really want as citizens, just as we should admire and admit the Cubans who come here on improvised boats, desperate for a new and better life.
Something very like an open borders policy is written on the Statue of Liberty: "Bring us your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to be free." I prefer that idealism to today's "shove 'em out the door" mentality any day of the week.
Furthermore, nothing I have read makes me believe that our immigration laws are particularly fair, nor that they are competently administrated. For example, American men who find Filipino wives in the Philippines wait months for processing, even though they have a right, through US law, to bring their wives back.
Having people take matters into their own hands seems liberating to me; I think of it being more like the always disobeyed 55 mile per hour speed limit than a serious violation. After all, the 55 limit was, in fact, the law of the land, however many people expressed well-deserved contempt for it.
I know there are people who "game" the system and I think they should be thrown out of the country for doing it -- but I think it's a little much calling people who are just here to work "animals" and "cockroaches".
I respect your right to disagree with everything I have said, but I wanted to show that there is at least one person willing to argue coherently for an open borders policy.
I doubt that this will change your mind, but I hope it was at least entertaining for you to read.
D.
Free Republic
I'm not very familiar with the site, so if you say thats the way people there talk, I can't gainsay you. But in my experience the main target for name calling are the open borders politicians, and the people bribing them. Of course, the illegals are illegal. Felons, for the most part..
I think that .. people who struggle across the border and up to our country just to work at menial jobs for cheap wages ... [are] who we really want as citizens
I don't think so. It's not 1808, or even 1908, and America does not need people who'll work at menial jobs for cheap wages. As citizens, they are a net drain on the taxpayers. As illegal aliens, they are a net drain on the taxpayers. That's the cold hard fact of the matter.
The words on the Statute of Liberty were written by a socialist poet, so unless you're converting to socialism you might want to reconsider your admiration for them. We don't want their tired and poor, thanks.
Having people take matters into their own hands seems liberating to me
That's an interesting euphemism for "breaking the law". I suppose the guy who walks into a liquor store with a gun and walks out with a bag of cash is also "taking matters into his own hands". So are tax cheats and criminals of all descriptions.
I wanted to show that there is at least one person willing to argue coherently for an open borders policy
Well, I appreciate the effort, and the civility. But in my view, emotions do not constitute a coherent argument. There are a large number of very good reasons why illegal immigration is a very bad thing. The price tag, for instance, which has been estimated in the trillions of dollars. Your fondness for Emma Lazarus does not counterbalance that. There is also the slight detail that it will cause "the right" to vanish. I guess the "next right" is going to look a lot like todays far left.
I agree.
I agree with your take on the Immigration issue, as do most Americans. However, I am embarrassed by your comment about the meaning of the words on the Statute of Liberty. I, as many Americans, have always been proud of those words, written by a socialist poet or not. They speak of people yearning for freedom, not jobs. They speak of people willing to respect our laws and live by them as a simple price paid for a priceless gift. They speak of a country strong enough in its ideals to have compassion for those who have nothing. In short, they are words that speak of a people willing to extend their hands in friendship to those who offer theirs in return.
ex animo
davidfarrar
The dynamic world of immigration: Why I support it
You will note that I am always civil and the remarks made by many freepers, which were not civil, really upset me.
There's a huge difference between robbing a store and entering a country to do work, and doing that work in a good and honest way. It's about the same difference between disobeying the speed limit and robbery. Most people who immigrate into America illegally are here to work and enjoy its opportunities, not to rob people.
I want to emphasize that I know one reason you are so opposed to illegals is the common problem where illegals commit crimes and get away with them. I believe we need to toss those folks right out of our country as soon as they are caught. But I don't think a few bad people should obscure the majority of good ones.
I do not believe the statistics of the costs of illegal aliens. Let me give a simple example to prove my point. I spent a night in the hospital and was presented by a bill for over $8,000. My insurance company paid $2,800 as a full settlement of the bill. Had I been an illegal, the headline would have been "Hospital loses over $8,000 treating an illegal!" If you almost double the real value of your services (and frankly I think $500 would have been a stretch as the value of the actual services I received), of course you'll make illegals look bad, but you will also be lying. I think hospitals are taking advantage of this situation to obscure the real issue, which is the pathetic levels of efficiency of these institutions.
The Wall Street Journal editorial page is consistently for a easier immigration policy, which shows that the right definitely disagrees over this issue. Many support George W Bush and John McCain's positions on immigration - they are just not as visible as the activists who are against it.
Obviously the US has an enormous need for people to do menial jobs, or they would not be offered. There would be no immigration without jobs. In California, where I lived for over a decade, most of the people in the retail front lines were hispanics and almost certainly illegals or the children of illegals.
We have a 5% unemployment rate, which is very close to the lowest possible due to natural job churn within the economy. This means that if we did remove illegals, there would be an enormous labor shortage within the country that would force many businesses to close. I don't think that's an outcome you or I want.
There is also the fact that most illegals are religious and if their status was changed to legal, they and their offspring could easily be attracted into the conservative voting pool, if we didn't push them out. Bush did very well with hispanics. Hispanics still like to reproduce and so they are going to be an increasing share of our population, and Republicans could gain them as loyal voters if we were not so persistently against their presence in the country. I think this is why Bush and McCain want to create a comprehensive, non-hostile immigration plan.
I have caught people who oppose illegals in the same kind of fallacious arguments I've seen against global warming. The publications who tell how much illegals cost us inevitably leave out many of the benefits illegals provide. I have also seen plenty of studies where the benefits from illegals considerably exceed costs. I would like to see a balanced view from someone but with everyone involved having an axe to grind, this is unlikely.
Finally, concerning the Statue of Liberty, our friend David Farrar was correct in pointing out that the ideal of hospitality, of welcoming, is a powerful one. It doesn't mean we're going to give them a living; it means they will receive the gift of freedom. I think that is a powerful idea that we lose at our peril.
When Cubans left Cuba with nothing but the shirts on their backs, and evolved to dominate Miami with enormous wealth and power, that shows the power of letting people in. As a special added bonus, they are keeping Florida Republican, because they understand the value of a free economy more than anyone. I was in Miami during the Elian Gonzolez case and I was very impressed with the dynamism of the Cubans and their faith in America (which, alas, was not merited by the eventual disposition of the case).
Many immigrant groups, including the Cubans, appreciate our country and its advantages more than we do. We should encourage this instead of dumping them out of the country. And we should appreciate the spirit of future citizens.
Hope that was of interest.
D
Let me be clear here
I base my "negative" classifications of what a "Liberal" is, I call them moonbats, upon what I have heard for 3 years now almost every single day of every week on Cspan'Washington Journal', reading Huffzbullah post since it's inception, perusing DailyKookfest when I think I can stomach it,and a healthy dose of Foxnews,Msnbc,Cnn and every episode of Meet the Press,the George snophalopagus show and a few dozen episodes of 'The View'.
If you think my perspective is skewed to be unfairly mean-spirited then might I direct you to a fine Photo Essay Blog' ZOMBIETIME.COM' to better comprehend where it is I manage to piece together my assesment of "our friends on the left."
That said....I will turn my penchent for labeling "Those People" down a notch for great benefit of NextRight Blog.
Collective action is the next cyber step
I think most people really don't see or haven't experienced the next step in SNS web design, which is "collective" action. In fact, this type of deliberative groupware is still mostly on the drawing boards. But when it does arrive, we can expect far greater cyber participation than is presently the case.
Let's face it, present web designs don't really offer you effective engagement. I have told campaign staffers a thousand times, "never send an email message out without the ability of asking for and responding to their replies". Yet over and over again, that's the kind of stuff Republican web designers constantly do, besides waiting until the last minute and can't understand why you can't accomplish the impossible at half the agreed upon amount -- the other half in in-kind donation, but that is all standard operating practices.
Web sites today are designed to allow the target recipient to interact with their web-software instead of a real, live people. This kind of stuff can only go so far. Message boards and forums have been around for a few presidential elections, but are far for the "collective" action stage because both political parties actually fear the Internet and it's communicative power.
The only real difference between the left and right is that the left has been out of power and is fighting its way back in and, therefore, was willing to gamble more than the entrenched Republicans on their Internet presence. This is just another reason why we should not look upon a victory by the left in this presidential election as our defeat , but the beginning of our victorious comeback. All we need is somebody to pour gas on the flame, like Obama, then we, using the Internet, will come roaring back stronger than ever
ex animo
davidfarrar
Cooked Books?
I seem to recall some of the righty blogs surprise at the lack of traffic from dKos links, when such links occur.
Might they be churning up fictitious traffic?
Well, the Daily Kos
Well, the Daily Kos discussions are undeniably active, so I doubt that's it.
I think it simply shows a lack of curiosity about "the other side".
D
Czarmangis is mostly right...
...however, I'd add also that conservatives must see some sort of dividend/payout/benefit for their efforts. Look at our efforts over the past several years! Whats it got us? John McCain and BarryO. Blogging, visiting blogs and commenting on blogs can be time consuming and even darn'd hard work. All this work and we're seeing the conservative movement going back to the center or even left of center! Sc__w that! We want to go rightward. One thing you won't see a true, independent conservative do and that's to continue to throw our precious capital down a dry hole. That dry hole being the Republican Party and even the conservative movement which is in stagnation. Putrid stagnation.
No. True independent "nationalistic" conservatives are looking elsewhere for a positive place to expend our energies. Possibly towards a serious 3rd party? No? Ok, then where? Darvin Dowdy
I agree with your political sentiment...
...but not your conclusion. If we didn't have the Internet, I would probably agree with you. The only real way to cleans the party of special interests and professional politicians is to for "The People" to collectivize ourselves more effectively than our opponents. This is not easy to do, but the tool to accomplish this is now in our hands. All we have to do is be smart enough to use it.
ex animo
davidfarrar
Not in the wilderness... yet
I really do think the main point is that the right is not yet, quite been cast into the wilderness far enough for more of them to get incensed enough to GET inviolved.
If McCain wins, it may even be longer before the right gets on the boat with the Internet the way the left has.
I agree.
This is exactly why I have been urging classic conservatives not to vote for McCain on election day. However, make sure you support you conservative Congressional candidates, also at the state level and at your local level.
In fact, the ideal scenario would be to have an effective minority in place with the left calling the shots. We could sit back and hand grenades at anything that moved to the left for the next two years, all the while party-building to take over the party by 2012.
ex animo
davidfarrar
Some good points made
Some valid points have been made here. That conservative websites need upgrades, that we didn't exploit the web as well as liberals and that our base, for the most part, just isn't located here.
I'd like to touch on the last part abit.
Our base really isn't web orientated. Or rather, it's not on the same level as the liberal base. The liberal base are indeed younger and tend to be more tech savy, these are the same people who are likely to have more time to waste on the internet compared to conservatives. And this base grows stronger because of the lack over younger conservatives along with the fact that around the world, most people with internet access are more liberal as well. The chatting and exchanging of ideas, regardless of whether they are right or wrong, is not in the conservative favor.
Lastly, IdahoConservative brought up a good point. self described conservatives are, or were, in power. We might not like the answer, but it's likely that we will have to feel the hurt from most liberal ideas before the young, always have been liberal crowd, feel the conservative agenda is actually a valid one they should look into.
While I agree with your last paragraph...
...I think you are completely wrong on your third. The fact is, more people have access to the Internet than their local newspapers, and that number is growing.
Give me a unifying issue, like Immigration, good web-wear, and we will get the right involved. As they say, "Old and treacherous beat young and idealistic every time" .
ex animo
davidfarrar
One demographic disagreement
I honestly believe that the users of dailykos are not the internet kiddies they are believed to be. There is clearly no way to prove anything with the anonymity that the internet allows. This is not to say there aren't plenty of them, just thatI don't believe them to be the majority. I am a 20-something Democrat and I will tell you that my 67 year old father is a far more active user of dailykos and leftosphere than I have ever been. In college, I was surrounded by likeminded people. If I wanted to have a political discussion, I could find it without much trouble. Now, I have a politically engaged roommate to talk issues over with. My father on the other hand found himself feeling more isolated from any sort of progressive community and used dailykos to fill that void when my mother had hit her limit for his musings.
Clearly and N of 1 isn't any sort of meaningful sample size, but this is just something people may want to think over when thinking about how to build the online right.
Quantity vs Quality
While the sites I frequent don't usually get many new "faces" commenting, the quality of comments and the interaction is far superior to what I've seen and experienced on the larger liberal/leftist/progressive/democratic sites.
I've also never been banned or gotten death threats on right wing sites, even when I'm the odd man out on an issue.
The problem is turning these social interactions into political activity. And I think part of the problem is that, even though taking an action like sending a Congressional representative a note online is easy, I've got too high a threshold on what will push me to action. I've got core issues that I'll respond to, IF I know there's legislation I oppose in the wings.
Most of my online energy is spent staying informed, debating the issues, and informing others. My personal capital is spent on issue organizations, like Heritage Foundation, NRA, GOA, Club for Growth, etc.
davidfarrar: "Message boards
They only fear it because they aren't even at the Web 1.0 stage. Emails are just another form of mailers/postcards for them. Interaction isn't the name of the game, it's getting people to agree to what you want to do anyway.
Let's say the Republicans did have online polling. How do you prevent the people who oppose you anyway from voting in it? How do you prevent the Paulites from skewing a poll?
I'd love to see this sort of interactivity. I don't think forums and messageboards at the national level would work. Now, start local, city, county, or statewide, and having that feed the national level might be possible.
No, Keith_Indy, you are wrong.
These aren't stupid people we are talking about. We are talking about very politically attuned and highly motivated people, who would snatch up a new mass-mailer quicker than light if they thought it would help them communicate. They know what the Internet is and they fear it. They have a right to fear it. They are correct in their assessment. In politics, communication is power. Loose communication or allow someone else to communicate with your membership and you loose their support.
The Republican Party's leadership wants very badly to take advantage of the Internet, but they can't do it to the extent that they feel will jeopardize their control. This is why I say, if we want to cleans the party, the People, the party's membership, will have to get the job done walking over the backs of the party leadership.
One note here, while I talk about the Republican Party, the Democratic Party's leadership feels exactly the same as the Republican Party's leadership does when it comes to the Internet. This is why for all the talk of great Internet design, and even with Howard Dean as their Chairman, the DNC's website isn't all that different from the RNC's.
In terms of your specific question, by using user-names and passwords, crossed referenced with voter registration. There are actually any number of ways to filter out the wheat from the shaft.
There are far more complex issues than mere user identification involve in successful deliberative groupware. Again, the goal of effective deliberative groupware will be to take advantage of the "Wisdom of the Crowd" effect rather than being victimized by the Peter-Piper" effect .
ex animo
davidfarrar
Black Muslim Victims for the Truth
I'm here because of a silly salute from a guy touting four months as two tours with how many decorations? Monitoring the dailies of blog agretators left or right or Drudge wastes my time but an issue site or ralley point like the Swifties could draw me in and put me to work. Agreed; the right is mostly on the AM dial, the left features adolescents. I'm as IT as my ink pen and thumb-eared "The True Believer". Radio direction to a People's Cube type compilation of "Sonny Liston Takes a Dive" or "Calypso Louis Disses Malcolm". Some such thing or "Affirmitive Action at Harvard" will focus the right like last year's 'immigration' against Obama. Later they might heard on other issues to keep McCain kosher.
Sacred Cow Burgers, and Gary Larsen RIP.