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The Politics of Anger
Since Pelosi and Hoyer's House Commentary on Un-American Activities informs us that "drowning out opposing views is simply un-American", let me resurrect the views of some of our friends on the Left. A few years ago, when the "Angry Left" was upset that their anger was being ridiculed, they argued that anger was good and criticism of anger was just a lazy, dishonesst diversion.
Daily Kos (Kos) explains that it's understandable that the powerless party is angry, and the party in power shouldn't be upset about that.
We're everywhere! So angry! Snarl! Grrr!
Though what I really want to know is why conservatives are so angry. Always snarling and snapping about evil liberals. Heck, they control everything. If something's wrong, it's their fault. Not the powerless Democrats snipping at their heels.
If Democrats had the trifecta I'd be in heaven. It'd be bliss. Everyday would be a party. Confetti, good beer, and party hats, all around.
But not them. They're still angry.
Daily Kos (Georgia10) explains that it is a diversionary "copout" to focus on the angry people, rather than the more important issues at hand...
The whole "angry left" myth is a copout, an escape-hatch for those who are confronted by fact and choose to respond by attacking the messenger rather than the message. It's a cowardly tactic that originated on the radical right (see Malkin and the "moonbats"); lately, we have seen its use on the rise in the traditional media. It is, indeed, a pathetic diversionary tactic. Instead of addressing the substance of the critique, those who use the easy-out "angry left" defense avoid addressing the true issue at hand.
Glenn Greenwald explains that it is "intellectually lazy" and "deceitful" to point to some angry people and "ascribe those attributes generally to some larger group"...
There is no cheaper or emptier form of argumentation than to isolate a specific individual, describe her, and then, without any basis, ascribe those attributes generally to some larger group -- in this case, a much, much larger and more diverse group -- of which she is ostensibly a part. ... [The] pre-ordained goal here is to depict the blogosphere as a content-free venting ground where death wishes are heaped upon George Bush, so he simply searches those comments out and then holds them up as illustrative of the blogosphere. [...]
The Washington Post alone has published several articles in the last couple months which suggest, imply or outright state that the blogosphere generally, and the liberal blogosphere in particular, is irresponsible and filled with raged-driven radicals who are as extreme as they are irrelevant. ... Needless to say, the most simplistic and intellectually corrupt Bush followers have seized on this most simplistic and corrupt journalistic stunt, pointing to it as some sort of vindication for every cheap stereotype in which they routinely traffic.
Glenn Greenwald says "it is noble to be angry about dangerous situations and corrupt leaders" and Democrats need to be more angry...
The "Angry Left" cartoon has forever been a favorite tactic of those models of Civility and Rhetorical Restraint on the Right -- and as demonstrated by the head-patting praise which the "good boy" Cohen received from Bush supporters, it still is. And many Democrats have internalized it, too. Anger is a bad, bad thing and must be avoided at all costs. McGovern's 1972 defeat proves that.
This argument is false -- dangerously so -- for so many reasons. Most successful political movements need passion. Anger, when constructively directed, is a potent and inspiring passion. It is noble to be angry about dangerous situations and corrupt leaders, and there are few passions which can compete with anger for inspiring oneself and others to meaningful action. [...]
Democrats need to get away -- as far away and as quickly as possible -- from that bland, mushy, sonorous, overly calculating and painfully restrained, passion-free dead zone. And in that regard, a much bigger problem for Democrats has been a lack of anger -- and most other human passions -- not an excess of it. [...]
...I'd go so far as to say that no political movement could really succeed without the passion of anger. People need a reason to devote their time, money and energy to a political cause. That incentive will usually come in the form of believing that there is something terribly unjust, corrupt and/or dangerous about the current political situation, and in people who are alive and impassioned, that will usually result in some anger. Those who have no passion or beliefs and are more interested in showing how rational and balanced they are will turn up their effete noses at displays of anger, but it is a potent and necessary force to enroll people in political change. [...] As Republicans have demonstrated for quite some time, the party which runs away from anger is the party which stands for nothing, inspires nobody, and loses.


Comments
Riddle me this...
So what exactly do we learn from this? A called B angry three or four years ago. B now calls A angry today.
Can a conclusion be drawn as to whether this sort of temperment is helpful in bringing people to our side? Did the anger those quoted above were talking about in 2005-6 (though the worst of it was in '02-'03) actually do anything for the Dems, lead to their preferred policy outcomes or win elections? I think the GOP implosion around 2006 had a whole lot more to do with than Glenn Greenwald fuming in front of his monitor.
Saying that someone else started it wasn't a good excuse for your principal or your parents, and it doesn't suffice now. We need to think about what it takes to win, not what we can justify in a moronic tit-for-tat being played out between bloggers.
Actually...
You'll notice that I didn't draw any conclusions from it. I have my own, but I'd rather see what conclusions other people draw from it. Perhaps a bit of self-reflection by everybody would be useful.
Angry Politics
This story reminds me of a line from the movie Excalibur. "It is the doom of man that he forgets." And since our society moves faster and faster with each passing year, the forgetting comes earlier and earlier. I think the other factor in early forgetting is the 24 hour news cycle which began with CNN and is now the norm. The top story on the news at this moment can easily be smothered by the next untimely death of a celebrity. The most worrying part for me is that the people in this administration are absolutely convinced they are 100% right. This belief, in their mind, will justify almost any action taken against their opponents. Last week, it was calling them shills for the insurance companies. Then, it was setting up a snitch site to check up on the opposition. Two days ago, it was beating up a man who disagreed with them. Today, it is calling people with a different opinion un-American. Tomorrow, it may be almost anything.
"What is objectionable, what is dangerous, about extremists is not that they are extreme, but that they are intolerant. The evil is not what they say about their cause, but what they say about their opponents." Robert Francis Kennedy
Astroturf Anger
I wonder how many were employees of the health insurance industries:
As for your snitch program, why should the White House allow lies and distortions by the insurance company astroturfed groups stand. The programs asks for chain e-mail and shady web sites.
That's is a distortion or mistaken information or an out right lie. The White House had nothing to do with that. That is just more of the scare tactics and fear mongering being pushed by the right-wing.
Speaker Pelosi and and Mr. Hoyer was saying the turf's mob tactic of screaming, shouting at congressmen and other attendees was un-American. When the mob violates free speech of congressmen and other attenddes, then, yes, that is un-American behavior.
For future reference
So next time someone on the Left does this, we'll see you denouncing them, right?
The defining characteristic of leftists
One of the defining characteristics of leftists is their genetic disability to recognize irony and hypocrisy in themselves, but the ability to find them in others when they don’t exist. This is a classic example. [Note: Other defining characteristics are moral relativism, perpetual adolescence, superiority complex, alternate reality psychosis, neurotic projection, condescension, lack of objectivity or critical thought, denial (i.e. gullibility) despite overwhelming evidence, et al.]
What is driving these ultraleftists crazy is that the center-right is finally fighting back; and in some cases, using their own age-old strategies and tactics against them. People are now seeing how they have been manipulated and lied to by the leftists and the Media hegemon; hence, the outrage being displayed by the real grassroots over the health care issue. Similarly, the desperation on the Left when they can no longer rely on popular ignorance is being exhibited by their violence and condescending slanders and libels intended to demonize and intimidate the informed. It’s difficult to see how this strategy against the majority of Americans opposed to this Administration’s “economic terrorism by health care” is a winning one — legislatively or electorally.
Industry plants aren't concerned citizens
I have no problem with angry citizens protesting or booing politicians. Emotion gets the better of people sometimes, and I have no problem with it.
I have a big problem with plants working for the insurance industry pretending to be concerned citizens. I also have a problem with conservatives dishonestly pretending this is passionate grassroots anger. It's just one more calculating move by corporations trying to protect their bottom line.
It's pathetic that most protests from conservatives are led by corporations, not by private citizens.
Let's just say you're right...
... and all of those grandmas, retirees, and stay-at-home Moms were each contacted by phone and e-mail in a nefarious plot by the AMA, insurance, hospital, and Big Pharma lobbyists in order to defeat a plan on which, according to Doh!-bama, they all signed off. Does/did your outrage extend to the "concerned citizens" from the DNC, ACORN, AFL-CIO, Teamsters, SEIU, MoveOn.org, Code Pink, ANSWER, HCAN, Greenpeace, AARP, NAACP, Families USA, PETA, Planned Parenthood, Organizing for America, Center for American Progress, etc. that have been doing it for years, or just "community organizers" with which you disagree?
I think what you're really pissed about is that "dem hayseed sheeple ain't lyin' down no more, and they dun got edumicated 'bout da trufe!" To boot, they're using your own tactics against you with great success for a noble cause instead of economic terrorism. Now we just can't have that!
Angeris warranted....
Anger is warrented if the issue one is angry about reaches into the most basic component of human existence; the art of self preservation. Keeping oneself alive is a basic human trait. If anyone or anything affects that then alarm bells go off.
Right now, in the back of everyone's mind, the ability to seek assistance in keeping oneself alive is always there. One can ultimately dial 911 or show up at an emergency room and you will get fixed...if the situation permits. That fact alone contributes to the art of self preservation. Take that away and all hell breaks loose.
A new meme?
Are claims that we'll now be denied the ability to ues 911 to summon assistance or be turned away from emergency rooms the newest memes? "Death panels" aren't enough for the fear machine?
Do you all realize that a Republican is responsible for the text in the bill that you claim promotes euthanasia? This links to an interview with the Republican who drafted the framework of that provision: http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/2009/08/is_the_government_going_to_eut.html
Another Lib Missing The Point.
The point of my post was that any changes to a health system which one has lived with all of their life impacts the toolkit of which each individual uses to "self preserve". This causes anger.
Stop being a conspiracy theorist. No one is saying that there is going to be no 911 or that individuals are going to be turned away at the er is going to happen (although both do occur all too frequently today).
The bottom line is that you libs are trying to affect "change" using only 80% of the ingredients. You are doomed to fail and your solution is quite amateurist as you can't man up and ask your constituents to sacrifice (think trial lawyers).
Now I'm Getting Angry.
Not a conspiracy theorist,
Not a conspiracy theorist, not a lib. Not quite sure what you mean by using only 80% of the ingredients? If by that you mean we need 100% agreement before anything in our national policy can change, well, that's simply not how a democracy works.
I actually agree with you about the sacrifice comment. I would rather our representatives acknowledge that there are costs attached to decisions, no matter what direction is taken. Even making no change has costs attached, which in this case means ever-increasing premiums, health care costs, personal bankruptices and eventually, national bankruptcy when health care costs overwhelms our ability to compete in a world market. If you understand that much, I hope you'll get angry enough to demand your GOP reps get serious about creating or being part of the solutions to our health care dilemma.
For example: None of the current GOP proposals address those who are uninsurable by private insurers due to pre-existing conditions. No matter how much selling insurance across state lines might bring down insurance costs or how many tax credits you offer, if no private insurer will touch a person with pre-existing conditions, they effectively have no access to purchase insurance at any cost. How many of the folks currently on Medicare would private insurers be interested in covering? None. Why? Because no private, for-profit insurer would see profit in covering seniors, and they'd be correct; it would be ridiculous for them to insure such people and expect their shareholders not to revolt. So what would you do about those with pre-existing conditions whom no private insurer would touch at any price?
And if by self-preservation you mean you prefer that doctors pursue all possible means to prolong your life by whatever intervention or life support is needed, you'll be able to make that choice. Others who prefer not to have extraordinary interevention can make their own choice. I don't see why it's such a problem to reimburse doctors for helping their patients understand the choices and allowing patients to make their own decisions, rather than pretending most of us won't eventually be in that situtation and putting that burden after the fact on family members. Why should doctors not be compensated for their time spent doing this? Since when is the GOP so aghast at the idea of fairly compensating doctors for services provided?
Left Wing Blinders
Todd,
When the Deputy White House Chief of Staff Jim Messina says, and I quote, "If you get hit, we will punch back twice as hard", I have a difficult time swallowing your Dem talking point about scare tactics and fear-mongering. The next day, someone minding his own business gets beat up by the Public Service Director of SEIU Local 2000, Elston K. McCowan. Oh and by the way, McCowan is a Baptist Minister and is running for the office of Mayor of St. Louis. Oh and another thing, he has been a community organizer for 23 years. As to Pelosi and Hoyer, I read their quotes straight from USA Today and their message is clear as crystal.
And Todd, it isn't my snitch program, it's your President's snitch program.
Your hipocrisy is breathtaking.
Tex
You're from Texas and I'd think you'd know about the right of self-defense. If you get hit, you have the right to hit back.
When lies and distortion are promoted by insurance companies and right-wing supported political fronts, that is fear-mongering. Death Panels? Single-payer? Lies and distortions.
For liberal view on what happened in St. Louis, there's Media Matter: I'd say the evidence of who is more at fault is murky at best.
And it turns out the Rev Elston K. McCowan was assaulting Gladney from the supine position.
And here's the direct quote from the Pelosi and Hoyer opinion piece:
You may feel that calling out un-American behavior is the same as calling such rude people as un-American, but that doesn't make it true that she called the Birthers, Teabaggers and Nutters un-American.
I will also be Angry.....
The got a conclusion from this post. And the conclusion is that take revenge, he was angry with me so I will also be angry with him. i hope someone can change my thought, actually I did not get the point what they are trying to say.
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