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We should learn from Dems...no, not those Dems.
The political discourse in this country is dominated by two contrasting groups; we have the Democrats, represented by Obama, Clinton, Pelosi, and Reid, and the Republicans, represented by Bush, Palin, Huckabee, and Jindal. The reason I picked these individuals is because they, for the most part, agree with all the planks of their parties.
Another trait that they have in common is that most of these political figures, with the exceptions of Obama and Huckabee, are generally disliked. Not hated, not despised, disliked. Few of them have positive approval ratings, even though virtually every person polled had never met these people. While professions can be disliked, asking people what they thought of Bob, a used car salesman, would give you wildly different results than asking people what they thought of Bob, their local car salesman who goes to church with them and has a son who is on the school football team. The reason that these answers are different is that one is asking people what they think of a idea and the other is asking people what they think of a person. One of the main reasons that I believe that the politicians in the first paragraph are so disliked is that people know them as ideas and concepts, not as people. Nancy Pelosi may be a great person to talk to, but I know her as the representative of San Francisco liberalism in the same sense that I know Sarah Palin as the representative of uneducated social conservatism.
The second part of my point is that a district or state will generally elect people closer to the middle of their political balance. In other words, Vermont will elect a flaming liberal, while Mississippi will elect a rabid conservative, because they are near the middle of that state's political balance. Personality plays a big part as well, and many politicians get elected while being much more liberal or conservative than their average constituent, based on their charisma. Examples of this are Sebelius in Kansas or (I hate to use this ubiquitous example) Reagan in California. However, generally speaking, a right-of-center district will elect a right-of-center candidate, and vice-versa. Nate Silver shows a typical way that a region votes, based on how primaries end up, and how liberal/conservative the region is, here
http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2009/02/land-of-thousand-liebermans.html
What this article says, for those who are loath of reading, is that each person is a number on the liberal-conservative scale, and they vote for the candidate that is closest to them; "If there's a liberal Democrat at space 10 and a conservative one at space 50, we assume that the voter at space 20 will pick the candidate at 10, who is slightly closer to her ideological preferences". This happens once in the primaries, and once in the general election, and in a 60-40 district, the dominant party wins 75% of the time, which seems logical.
The main development of the past 3 years, as my title implies, is that Democrats have been playing this system more deliberately. Ideally, according to the model, a district that is evenly divided should elect a Democrat at 25 on the scale, and a Republican at 75, and the two would split the vote evenly. However, if the Democrats push to nominate a more conservative member, say at 40 on the scale, that Democrat would win 55-45. I know that there are dozens of intangibles in this situation, such as liberal Democrats staying home or voting Green. However, I think that a lot of progress that the Democrats have made electorally is because they are biting the bullet and choosing more conservative Democrats, while Republicans are talking about doing the opposite.
The other major development, besides picking "conservadems", is the Democrats' adoption of, for lack of a better word, Rovian tactics in terms of branding. Our guy is your neighbor, the guy you buy nails and lumber from (is a small business owner), the guy who keeps you safe at night (is an attorney general), or the guy who is an elder at your church (loves family values). Their guy is the idea, the concept. Kerry is the concept of Vietnam protests and Massachusetts liberalism, while Bush is the local police chief who has had to make the tough decisions necessary to keep your family safe.
To see how both these trends played out today, one needs to look no further than the NY-20 special election. Despite being the worse candidate and starting at a large disadvantage, Murphy won because he was a conservative democrat (as opposed to a typical republican), and because he was successful in branding himself as a small-business entrepreneur, as opposed to Tedisco, who he tied with the Republican establishment.
The applications of this are twofold. One is to ease the pressure on Republicans in liberal and moderate states. The Democrats have let their Blue Dogs vote against the party on some important proposals, and that is a key reason why many of them are still in office. Secondly, allow Republican candidates to distance themselves from prominent members of their party.
Personal disclaimer: I am a moderate conservative who voted for both Bush and Obama, obviously for different reasons. I know the latter would get me banned from other sites (*cough* RedState *cough*), but I appreciate reading debate from liberals and conservatives...as long as it's good ^_^.
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Exactly
Liberal ToddLuvsLounging Says:
Excellent advice. Sentiments often expressed by so-called liberal trolls at this site. However, advice that is readily shrugged off by movement conservatives in the base. However, I do see GOP leaders trying to copy the Dems model, but they are often foiled by their base, e.g. Specter. It looks like conservatives will take a beating in 2010 and 2012 before a new approach is considered...perhaps as long as a generation. But who knows, maybe the base is right and they don't have to change and America will come back to them. I have my doubts, though.
Quite right.
I too have my doubts. Actually I have nothing but doubt and zero confidence in this strategy working.
If you disagree with my thesis,
Please tell your alternate idea along with the data that your idea is based off.
If the Republicans pursue the "longterm" strategy
of electing more moderates, and allowing people like Spector to not be demonized by their base... they lose shortterm goals. Like opposing Card Check and the Stimulus.
It would appear that the Republicans are too much in the pocket of Big Corporations to do what would be sensible to enhance their electoral chances.
Still, if they would only renounce social conservatism, I think they might be able to pull off more wins... New England likes fiscal conservatism. The Midwest likes good government -- not no government.
The answer to RINOphobia
Right on about Tedesco/Murphy. There is more or less zero chance that a Republican mirror of Murphy (closer to the center) would get through a GOP primary, since the intra-party debate is always about how we can mold ourselves in the image of St. Ronald and the winning coalition of 1980.
Dems made their peace with Webb, Casey, Nelson and the rest. There are certainly grumbles when they don't toe the line (like with Sen. Lincoln on card check), but at the end of the day, having a few mild apostates within the party ranks allows them control over the congressional agenda. Once again, we can be 99.44 percent pure and ignore the world around us, or we can win elections and set the agenda. Pick one.
we need the republican party
Maybe there are some conservatives who understand their plight. I voted for Obama and believe in him, but we desperately need a strong, vibrant Republican party.
We need the arguments against some of Obama's agenda to be constructive and countered with a viable alternative.
The current leadership of the GOP don't believe so. I'm just waiting for those who realize these extreme positions are unwise to gain a louder voice.
Re: we need the republican party
Heh. That's exactly what I said about the Democrats back when it looked like Bush would be a successful President.
rooting against yourself
I read this type of comment a lot, and to be honest I sincerely don't understand it. If you believe in Obama, why would you want "constructive" arguments against Obama's agenda, and why would you wish for "a viable alternative"? Wouldn't the presence of these things diminish the prospects of Obama's agenda, which you evidently favor, being enacted? Aren't you just rooting against yourself by asking for this?
I support, not mindlessly rubber stamp
I don't agree with Obama on everything. A strong oppostion party arguing honestly might come up with a better proposal.
GOP leaders in washington don't believe in that. Obstruct, hope he fails, and hope the country comes back to them. But since they're an extremist party, they don't care about honestly debating Obama.
That's why they argue about deficits when the debt is mostly their doing. It's why they called for Napolitano's resignation, when the DHS report started under Bush and was completed by the guy Bush appointed. It's why they argue the free market is better for healthcare, and then say in the next breath that people would chose the public option if given the choice between a private plan.
yeah right
Fine, so please tell us all where you "support, but not mindlessly rubber stamp" Obama.
And I will be the first to admit that Republicans lack strong leadership in Washington. But, you know, there is such a thing as politics. I seem to recall Democrats not exactly being fair with Bush with their rhetoric, even after his first 100 days. And the strategy of obstruction seems eerily familiar...
And when it comes to health insurance, of course people will choose the public option over a private plan, because from the consumer's point of view, the public option is (a) "free" and (b) unconstrained by market forces in limiting the choices that it may offer. So of course people will take the free gold-plated plan over any other plan. This just proves my point though: such a plan is obviously not sustainable, and in the long run will have to be limited. It will be limited by political forces rather than by market forces. So, in 20 years down the road when we have another "health care crisis" as the "health care trust fund" is about to go broke and politicians have to make "hard choices" on how to fix it, they will choose the political path of least resistance on fixing it instead of the responsible path.
bizarro world redux
Are you not paying attention? We're going to go broke because of the current healthcare system.
Shock! People would choose something that offers more choices and is cheaper. Isn't that what a good businessman would try to provide?
No, conservatives want to pay more in healthcare.
Like I said, bizarro world.
It's more keeping yourself honest.
I'd like both a strong R and D party because:
1. If there was only one party, it would become complacent and corrupt.
2. Having two strong parties is the best way to implement new ideas, since the party out of power typically looks for a new reason to vote it back in, like what is going on in the UK currently.
3. If we get an election that is against a candidate, I'd like the other guy to be competent.
4. I'd rather see the other side's policies implemented so that they are effective rather than having my side's policies implemented incompetently. I think incompetence in economics and especially foreign affairs is much worse than liberalism.
5. I'd like to respect my political adversaries, and even admit that the country is in good hands if they're in power.
A conservative is chary about change.
Always looking before they leap, and making sure that things work on the small scale before they get implemented on the large scale.
It's a scientific way of doing things, and I gotta admire that!
I'd like for some useful healthcare system to be developed. It doesn't by any stretch need to be Obama's "lowest common denominator" one. I'd RATHER go back to the 1990's standard of care and cost, if I could see any way of doing it.
I want you guys looking over Obama's shoulder with ten more ideas, ten more ways of making things work better.
Dorgan wants more capacitance in our electric grid. Fine. But do we want that using capacitors or by charging batteries? Deuced if I know.
Criticism is the only known antidote to error -- David Brin
And so I want you to criticise, to develop alternate solutions to problems. And in developing alternate solutions, to be secure in that even the lefties will get around to implementing some of them!
Hell, I walk around with a passel of different Conservative ideas that might help out inner cities. I hope, someday, to find some Conservatives willing to get off their arse and implement them.
I think if you talked to most liberals, they'd say that government waste is a bad thing. And they see conservatives as key to identifying where the gov't is doing Dumb Shit.
As a liberal, I want to hear what federal agency you want to do away with, and why (my suggestion: Secretary of Commerce. Centralize NOAA and all the science stuff together, or create a science czar to do that, while leaving them in their respective agencies -- I like the second better, as HHS probably needs its researchers)
Enjoyed your post and it
Enjoyed your post and it makes good sense. We come from a similar mindset (moderate conservative) and voting pattern, although I couldn't bring myself to vote Bush in '04.
I'm just curious, since I don't live in NY-20, why you described Murphy as a worse candidate than Tedisco? Even on RedState there were a few posters who ventured that he ran a smart campaign, gave him credit for unequivocally sticking to his ideology on the stimulus bill (unlike Tedisco, who was apparently perceived as waffling and trying to have it both ways?), and personally appealing. Did you just mean worse in terms of his positions?
When I said Tedisco was better
I meant that he started with a better organization and name recognition in a district that tilted right. In other words, that he was dealt a better hand than Murphy, Murphy just played it better.
putting the cart before the horse
I guess I don't really disagree with this argument, I just think it puts the cart before the horse. It seems to me that the moderate-vs.-pure-conservative really boils down to which statement you agree with more:
1. We should run candidates who agree with voters in their districts, and then reshape the Republican Party in the mold of these candidates.
2. We should run candidates who agree with conservative principles, and then ask the candidates to persuade voters in their districts to agree with these principles.
My guess is that moderates are more likely to choose Option 1, while the more right-wing conservatives are more likely to choose Option 2. So it's no surprise that the moderates want to ditch the social conservatives, since more and more voters are becoming turned off by the endless abortion arguments as we as a society become more and more accepting of abortion. But I would argue, as someone who would agree with Option 2 more than Option 1, that there are some principles that we just can't give up on and still claim a shred of integrity. So it seems to me that putting forth these technical arguments about where voters stand on this numerical scale is, really, a tacit acceptance of Option 1, that we are going to chase voters where they are instead of trying to persuade them to come to where we are at. I'm not willing to make that compromise just yet.
as more people of color reside in America
I think you'll find abortion being less and less accepted. this may not mean they want it to be illegal, mind... but it's generally white liberalsm who think that abortion is a net public good.