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Are Most Techies Libertarians?
Received the following comment via email to a post over at Tapscott's Copy Desk. Just wondering what The Next Right readers think of the author's assertions:
"Having spent years organizing tech workers, make this comment. In the engineering fields (including computers) tech workers tend to be conservative with libertarian leanings. However, there has been complete disgust at the GOP.
"The GOP cannot distinguish tech voters from tech campagin cash. Every computer publication knows the two best ways to start firestorm is to run an article with any criticism of Linux or to mention H-1B visas. The idiots running the GOP simply do not get it.
"One of the best examples of this voter/money disconnect was the 2000 reelection campaign of the Senator from Silicon Valley Spencer "for sale" Abraham. Abraham's work to allow employers to replace U.S. tech workers with lower-paid foreign workers made him the face of the GOP for this voter group.
"Dittos to George Allen. I don't want to claim that his pissing off tech workers (not to mention Jim Webb's reaching out) was *the* thing that cost him reelection but it certainly was one factor.....one large enough to have made the difference.
"John McCain? Well his name is simply mud. As conservative as I am, I could not vote for him.
"Sen. Grassley is starting to become a here in the tech community for his efforts to look out for their interest. But for the most part, the GOP has done everything possible to alienate tech voters.
"Remember the Tech Contract with America the GOP came out with -- guarenteed to piss off tech voters?
"My phone rings and the e-mail starts flowing every night at 8 pm -- when the Lou Dobbs show ends. That's what the tech voters are watching. "I point out that the Democrats are no better. They are just not as "in-your-face" as the GOP is."
Thoughts anybody?


Comments
i would agree
I am the opposite of "techie", but my husband is a programmer and a life long republican that voted for Obama. He was amazed at Obama's use of technology...from the emails to the iPhone app, he is just constantly blown away by their knowledge and willingness to trying new approaches to the campaign. The Obama team hired the founder of Facebook as part of their team. I can't even imagine the GOP considering doing something like that, especially with McCain at the top.
that's because techies are left-libertarians
I honestly agree with this idea, and I'll toss Dr. David Brin into the mix -- he's written much about how left-libertarian the science fiction community tends to be (and they're mostly degreed scientists). Same thing with the open source community...
http://loljohnmccain.com/
not run by the campaign at all, yet still a lot of fun. Laughter is a powerful tool.
maybe looking at the campaign is too nearsighted...
I'd agree with that...
Since I am a techie 'liberaltarian'.
We most certainly are.
Which is why the GOP is going to run into such problems.
Libertarians believe in low taxes and minimal economic interference, but they also believe in *liberty* — it's in the name, you see — and so while I voted Libertarian in 2000 and 2004... I voted straight-ticket Democrat in 2008.
Why? Well... it's not about technology, so forgive the digression, but the answer's simple. Protestant "social conservatism" is antithetical to libertarian principles, and must be stopped, regardless of the cost. Who are *you* to say what I may or may not do? What gives *you* the right to take from me my liberties?
It's very hard for a conservative to assemble an economics package that angers a libertarian. (Mind, the *Republicans* have had no problems doing so, but — well, moving on.) I mean, sure, space funding is neat, but maybe cutting it to allow private sector work isn't a bad idea. No matter how dear it is to a tech's heart, well, maybe we *don't* have the money for that sort of thing.
But you run into problems when your party appeals to Leviticus instead of liberty, and if the only way we get to be Real Americans is to live on a farm and hope God makes it rain... Maybe in 2012 I can go back to voting about money.
It's astonishing to me that
It's astonishing to me that you regard Protestant social conservatism as somehow more offensive to liberty than the secular social engineering you enabled with a straight-ticket Democrat vote.
If you're a libertarian, I'm a Chinese jet pilot.
ni hao! you forgot your eyeglasses again, mr. wong!
*snerk* hell, I'm a libertarian too, I just care about the mobs with pitchforks -- and I realize that police do jack shit to stop riots.
Weapons-grade bullshit.
Real libertarians see pitchfork-wielding mobs as the consequence of too little freedom.
Cretinous poseur shitbags like yourself see pitchfork-wielding mobs as the consequence of too much freedom.
i believe in the first
but my solutions to it appear to not be to your liking.
I am no absolutist, though I must confess I am rather disgruntled by your inability to actually have that conversation on how a Republican might think about fixing the racial inequity in this country.
Your "solutions" are more of
Your "solutions" are more of the same statism and collectivism that's created the problems we're presently facing. They have as much in common with libertarianism as any of Noam Chomsky's policy proposals: he calls them "libertarian" because he's understandably embarassed by their actual ideological pedigree.
My "inability to actually have that conversation on how a Republican might think about fixing the racial inequality in this country" is a direct consequence of your inability to define "racial inequality" as an actual problem, never mind one that requires some sort of political solution.
gentleman, if indeed gentle ye be
I have cited my sources. WHAT ELSE MIGHT YOU DEMAND? Speak up, and muck shnell!
Your "citation" consisted of
Your "citation" consisted of handwaving at various unnamed "experts" to whose university lectures you allegedly listened. That doesn't constitute a "citation" in any meaningful sense of the word.
don't make me look up who the speaker was.
but I actually believe it was the guy from Brandeis
http://www.ia.ucsb.edu/pa/display.aspx?pkey=1556
Hope you enjoy, and do get back to me when you're done.
A citation to a published lecture is a valid citation by any citation guide. Likewise, personal interviews and other sources are also valid citations, if they may suffer from the credibility of the author (you'd hardly expect me to have interviewed Mao, would you?).
At any rate, this was a simple google.
http://www.google.com/search?q=wealth+gap+black+white+America&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
You never provided a citation
You never provided a citation to a published lecture, and you still haven't: you've provided a hyperlink to a freaking press release. Try to pass that off as a primary source in any academic discipline and you'll be laughed at.
In any case: the existence of financial inequality between black and white Americans is not evidence of "systemic racism", "white privilege", or any other Ethnic Studies department horseshit invented out of thin air by frauds and radicals like Stokley Carmichael. If anything, the existence of financial inequality between black and white Americans is nothing more than evidence that the Great Society programs which were enacted to fix that "problem" have actually had the reverse of the intended effect.
would you rather I provide an amazon link
to the Black America White America book? seriously, man, wtf?
dagnabit, you little scoundrel, I'ma take a broom after you!
http://www.crsp.pitt.edu/PrevSpeak.html
There. Shapiro is neatly listed there.
OKAY The great society didn't work. Now we're getting somewhere. HOW YOU GONNA FIX THE REDNECKS AND HISPANICS AND BLACKS? I'm listening. start talking. Solutions wanted.
Oh, and your apparent inability to understand published research reflects poorly on your acumen.
Your apparent inability to
Your apparent inability to actually link to any "published research", while accusing me of being unable to understand it, reflects poorly on your capacity to fog a mirror.
I've allowed you to kill enough of my brain cells with your drivel. Fuck off.
here you go.
http://www.amazon.com/Black-Wealth-White-Perspective-Inquality/dp/041591...
In case you don't believe that a book on amazon can be used as a textbook
http://www.stanford.edu/~mrosenfe/Urban_Underclass_syllabus.htm
http://74.125.45.132/search?q=cache:dMb6MC-cz9QJ:www.socwel.ku.edu/sylla...
So Kansas and Stanford and at least ten other schools use this as a textbook. But hell, you want something in a published journal?
Here's something that's been peer reviewed:
http://www.lexisnexis.com/us/lnacademic/auth/checkbrowser.do?ipcounter=1...
You seem to have the opinion that Sociologists and Social Workers publish in 'ethnic' journals, or some such, and as such, that the terminology they use, along with whatever they have to say is invalid.
This makes having an intelligent conversation difficult, and impedes you actually finding any relevant solutions,as you appear to assert that there is nothing wrong with income inequality, let alone wealth inequality, for people who are otherwise identical other than their race.
No, I'm just of the view
No, I'm just of the view that ethnic radicals who invent crackpot theories about race in order to justify their militancy, and then come up with impressive-sounding but meaningless jargon in a transparent effort to lend said crackpot theories a veneer of intellectual respectability, have nothing useful to say and ought to be mercilessly ridiculed rather than humored or taken seriously. The fact that these people actually publish "scholarship" that is "peer reviewed" and ultimately taught in college-level courses is a further source of hilarity. The fact that you seem to take it seriously conclusively demonstrates your status as a weapons-grade crank.
There is indeed nothing inherently wrong with income inequality, or wealth inequality, for people who are otherwise identical other than their race. Life is not fair, and government does not exist to make it so.
then for your sake, I hope that you enjoy the smell of burning
curtains.
History has shown time and time again that those who are oppressed because of reasons outside of their control will revolt. Police never stop riots anyhow.
then for your sake, I hope that you enjoy the smell of burning
curtains.
History has shown time and time again that those who are oppressed because of reasons outside of their control will revolt. Police never stop riots anyhow.
No, I'm just of the view
No, I'm just of the view that ethnic radicals who invent crackpot theories about race in order to justify their militancy, and then come up with impressive-sounding but meaningless jargon in a transparent effort to lend said crackpot theories a veneer of intellectual respectability, have nothing useful to say and ought to be mercilessly ridiculed rather than humored or taken seriously. The fact that these people actually publish "scholarship" that is "peer reviewed" and ultimately taught in college-level courses is a further source of hilarity. The fact that you seem to take it seriously conclusively demonstrates your status as a weapons-grade crank.
There is indeed nothing inherently wrong with income inequality, or wealth inequality, for people who are otherwise identical other than their race. Life is not fair, and government does not exist to make it so.
No, I'm just of the view
No, I'm just of the view that ethnic radicals who invent crackpot theories about race in order to justify their militancy, and then come up with impressive-sounding but meaningless jargon in a transparent effort to lend said crackpot theories a veneer of intellectual respectability, have nothing useful to say and ought to be mercilessly ridiculed rather than humored or taken seriously. The fact that these people actually publish "scholarship" that is "peer reviewed" and ultimately taught in college-level courses is a further source of hilarity. The fact that you seem to take it seriously conclusively demonstrates your status as a weapons-grade crank.
There is indeed nothing inherently wrong with income inequality, or wealth inequality, for people who are otherwise identical other than their race. Life is not fair, and government does not exist to make it so.
Really now...
Really now...so let me see if I can understand this. You've voted Libertarian in the past. You believe in "low taxes and minimal economic interference". Yet in the past election you voted for the party that stands diametrically opposed to "low taxes and minimal economic interference", because you were pissed off at the social conservatives, who didn't even register as a blip on the campaign radar? Methinks there is more to your protestations than you are leading on.
But there's not.
I said precisely that, and I did precisely that.
It's true, I could have continued to vote Libertarian. Next election, I probably will. On the other hand, I have high hopes that next election, a number of Republicans will have joined me.
The alternative to this, of course, is a Republican platform more attractive to me. I fear high taxes and a regulated economy less than I do God. After all, I can win an argument about money. If you want the tech vote, then you're going to give ground on social issues.
I don't smoke, drink, and I use even over-the-counter drugs sparingly -- but I can see that the War on Drugs is wickedness, and must end. Like Prohibition before it, this is government-enforced social engineering; like Prohibiton before it, it has failed.
I am uninterested in marrying a man, or more than one woman -- but I can see that gays make parents no worse than straights. Denying them these rights and liberties is wickedness, and must end.
I could go on, but I hope I'm making the point clear. When it comes right down to it, money's just what you use to buy the things you want, and if today I only have enough strength to win ONE fight, then I'll pick liberty over money.
Good grief. Both parties
Good grief.
Both parties stand foursquare behind the failed Drug War. Assigning moral blame for it to Republicans while exonerating Democrats is either profoundly ignorant or profoundly dishonest. Pick one.
And while I share your disgust towards political opposition to same-gender marriage, the simple fact of the matter is that the Democratic Party's standard-bearer -- the smooth-talking fellow you just voted for President -- is part of that opposition. In California, Proposition 8 outpolled the Republican candidate for President by 15 points. Assigning moral blame for the state of affairs to Republicans while exonerating Democrats is either profoundly ignorant or profoundly dishonest. Pick one.
If you were truly interested in picking liberty over money (to the extremely limited extent the two are distinguishable, inasmuch as economic liberty is every bit as important as inchoate freedoms of expression and conscience), you'd still be voting Libertarian, not voting straight-ticket Democrat. Voting straight-ticket Democrat is simply an indication that you're part of the Slashdot constituency I described below: a Jon Stewart voter who knows how to turn on a computer.
Heh heh heh.
Mmm, hairsplitting but not dishonest. You cannot deny that the Democrats are more secular than the Republicans, and I hope you wouldn't deny that the Drug War, like Prohibition, is religious in nature.
I'm betting that if I can weaken the "social conservatives" -- and I've said this before, and I've said it on Slashdot -- if I can weaken the religious stranglehold the Republicans suffer from, it'll have a disproportionate effect on the Democrats, and they'll stop leavening efforts for social freedom with this faith-based business.
Once THAT's done, I can reassess my goals. Maybe the next right will include *me*.
(Five digit Slashdot ID. Ran a FidoNET node. Watches Jon Stewart. And despite what you're willing to believe, a Libertarian.)
Of course the Democrats are
Of course the Democrats are generally more secular than Republicans. Of course the Drug War has religious overtones. But these are distinctions without meaningful policy differences between the two parties.
Your posts in this thread boil down to the idea that you find the influence of Protestant social conservatism on the Republican Party icky and threatening, to the extent that you're willing to excuse secular social engineering that's equally offensive to your inchoate liberties, as well as implacable liberal hostility to your economic liberties. Why? Because the Democrats are "more secular", and don't invoke Leviticus, when they're trampling your freedoms.
Libertarian, my ass.
Uh, there IS a policy difference, at least in rhetoric
Obama promised (and he's slowly keeping it, after initially breaking it) to stop the Bush administration's idiotic policy of raiding California's medical pot establishments. This policy is stupid, and Republicans are consistently for the more-stupid side, with a few silenced cluefull exceptions like Dr. Ron Paul.
If Republicans spent less time whining about Dr. Paul and trying to silence him, and more time listening to his ideas on why & how to end your holy tax and spend drugwar, you'd have more of a chance of libertarian "F--- You votes" like mine. The idea that both parties are bad on the drug war is correct, but the idea that they're equally-bad on that subject is simply clueless. Barney Frank is treated WELL by the Democrats. Dr. Paul is repeatedly snubbed by Republican "leadership," who these days deserve the term "losership" IMO.
Anyway, my bottom line is this. Republicans have said for years "libertarians won't compromise." That's more simpleminded BS. I'll say it again, compromise is a 2 way street. Sometimes, the libertarian side WINS. This means drug warriors have ONE choice on the cannabis part of the drug war: Abject, tail between the legs retreat. No other options, control-freaks. So sorry. And the compromise part is that you get to keep the rest of drug prohibition wheezing along, even though it's just as much filled with FAIL as weed prohibition. Heroin doesn't have much of a lobby. For now, as the great Sam Kennison said/shouted, "JUST GIVE US OUR POT!!!!" And if taxing weed instead of paying taxes to lock up potheads is a success, I'd say social conservatives should watch out for the powerful hookers & blow lobby...
chris dodd was for marijuana legalization
and mandatory service for youths.
Presidential Candidate Chris Dodd!
Obama sure didn't say that...
(Good posts Centerfire!)
I don't recall Obama saying he wanted to end the war on drugs. Was that even a campaign topic? Nope, because he even said he wouldn't. He & Biden also stated that they did not favor allowing gay marriages.
So what again did you vote for? I think you'll be disappointed with your pick.
I'm a Christian Republican with Libertarian leanings. I'll even vote for some Libertarians. But I do think the Libertarians follow the definition of "liberty" a little too closely, and forget that morality is actually necessary for society to work.
Here's a simple example of why: If morals decline, then crime goes up, so then police forces are increased, and then taxes are increased to pay for them, and then "oh and while the taxes are increased for that... why not increase them more for this other thing over here..."
I could go along with changing the war on drugs: ie not hogging up jail space with petty drug offenders when murderers, rapists, and thieves should actually be there instead, but are sadly back on the streets almost immediately.
But to scrap the whole thing? There still needs to be a deterrent to hard drug abuse. I've played spades & partied (back in the day) with crack addicts and drug dealers and found out they were just walking time bombs. I'm glad I moved on before they went off.
You must know the arguments...
As well as I. You're familiar with the supply and demand view, the pseudomilitary-industrial complex we call local law enforcement, the funding of terrorism, and the criminal cartels we've unleashed on Mexico.
I'll confine myself, then, to this -- the picture you paint, of those crack addicts and drug dealers. What you describe what happens DESPITE the laws. Those ticking time bombs -- you do not get to argue that they would exist *if we scrapped the laws*, that our laws *prevent* this. *Protect* us. They exist today. DESPITE the laws.
The day we scrap the War on Drugs is the day the next generation decides that maybe our words aren't worthless. I could tell this was stupid when I was twelve years old, and in the seventeen since I've only gotten madder.
It would be worse...
It would be worse if those drugs were legal. Think of how younger and younger kids are that are getting hooked... These become people that can't hold down jobs and don't see you as a person, only a way to get money for their habit. Maybe you've talked to one of them?
But you skipped over my other point: I agree with you on changing the war on drugs. I just don't agree with scrapping it.
I'm not trying to, but...
You persist in arguing that things are bad, therefore if it were legal they would be worse. You haven't proven that. Near as I can tell, it'll be exactly the same -- them that want to take drugs will take 'em, them that don't want to won't. I'll just have more money.
You're talking about "changing" it, and saying you agree with me on "changing" it, but it's either illegal or it's not, it's either prohibited or it's not. I'm not sure we agree at all, except so far as to say what we have now isn't working.
Prohibiting it isn't doing what you -- hell, I wouldn't mind it so much if it only WORKED, what we -- would like it to do, and it won't ever, and it's time to move on.
I apologize
Jesdynf,
I'm sorry for jumping on here to disagree with your comments, and then misunderstanding your point of view. Re-reading this post and all the subsequent comments brought me to the conclusion that I've overstepped w/o a way to offer proof. For that I apologize - TimW
Money is a form of liberty
Have you forgotten economic liberty? Sheesh. The high taxes wouldn't be so bad if the money was withdrawn from our paychecks and simply vanished into thin air. Instead, the taxes are used to justify an ever-increasing state, which means ever-increasing encroachments on what you call "liberty", but is really just a subset of the entirety of individual liberty, such as the Drug War. So, even though you say "I'll pick liberty over money", you'll vote for the Dems, who are just as bad as the Republicans on the drug war, who also oppose gay marriage, AND who will happily deprive you of more economic liberty??? And then you have the gall to criticize the Drug War as "government-enforced social engineering". What do you think the Dems, the ones you voted for, stand for if not "government-enforced social engineering"? Here's a clue right here: Oregon's Dem governor wants to impose a mileage tax, complete with mandatory GPS tracking by the state of your every movement, with the explicit intention to coerce people into driving less. New York's Dem governor wants an obesity tax. But of course you know all this and yet you still vote for the Democrats. So please tell us once more how passionate you are about ending the Drug War and how it motivated your vote for Obama.
democrats are for a free internet
the republicans are for crippling it.
eom.
Oh and by the way
Republicans are going to be the ones fighting against the Fairness Doctrine when it gets reintroduced next Congress. Just remember that next time you prattle on about how the Republicans don't deserve your vote.
Yeah. I know.
Republicans are going to be the ones who lose that fight, too.
Don't like it? GET MORE VOTES.
I've told you what you need to do to get mine. You can join the dogpile, you can tell me all about how I voted wrong, you can tell me all about how I'm stupid and you're a shining beacon of rightness, but... I dunno. At the end of the day it's all just noise, because I'm not here to tell you you're wrong or stupid and nobody's paying me money to care what you think.
I'm standing here, in The Next Right, telling you what you need to do to get me to either continue throwing my vote away with the Libertarians or actually attracting my vote for your movement. The writer invoked a technically-minded libertarian, and here I stand.
You can learn something -- that, in my opinion, "social conservatism" is a poison to the movement this weblog is focused on building -- or... Well. No need to be snippy. Or not.
No, you are telling us we're wrong and stupid
for permitting the social conservatives in the tent. Both centerfire and I disagree with the War on Drugs, just as you do. Both centerfire and I are disgusted with the political opposition to same-sex marriage, just as you are. I'll even go one step further: I'm personally opposed to the death penalty, because I don't think the state should have the legal authority to take anyone's life in peacetime, even if that person is a ruthless killer. But the difference is that I anyway see a larger picture, and I'm sure centerfire does too. Let me tell you my story. I participated in USENET debates on political forums back before the Internet was cool. That doesn't make me a techie but I have been around the block. I myself voted Libertarian in 2000, mainly because I didn't think Bush was a real conservative. (Do I wish to have been wrong!) I don't consider myself a social conservative - hell I haven't even been to church in God-only-knows how many years. But I am proud to call myself a Republican nonetheless because I know that it's only with the Republican Party that libertarian ideas have the best chance of being enacted. School vouchers? That is essentially a libertarian approach to public education. Who favors that more, D's or R's? How about taxes - who wants to lower them, and who wants to raise them? How about encroachments of the nanny state, such as the ridiculous idea of an 'obesity tax'? Who tends to support that more? And yes it means I have to put up with people within my own party insisting on having religious nativity scenes at city hall during the holidays. I just roll my eyes and say "fine, whatever".
But what it sounds like you want is for the Republican Party to revolve around you. That is not going to happen. It's not going to happen with any political party, not even the Libertarian Party, because no political party will agree with your preferences 100% of the time. So it seems to me that you have a choice to make. You can either declare that you will base your vote exclusively on one or two narrow issues, to the exclusion of every other issue. Or, you can look at both major parties and see which one is more likely to bring about change that tends to be more aligned with my views than not, and then choose to be associated with that party. So you can choose to align yourself with the Republican Party, knowing that you will, more often than not, enjoy more economic liberty, even though you'd have to put up with those oogedy-boogedy social conservatives from time to time. Or, you can choose to align yourself with the Democratic Party, knowing that you have a better chance of seeing some of your liberties restored (maybe), but then you'd have to put up with the Marxist professors, the elitist latte-sipping fakers, the union thugs, the radical feminists, the race hustlers, the intolerant atheists, the hippies, the eco-Nazis, and the generally weird. All of whom have their own agendas that will restrict your liberties further. Your call.
still voting for the party with the professionals in charge.
and by damn you're a techie if you were on usenet. RAR!!
I firmly believe that the fundies piss off so many people, and are so unwilling to share power, that you're better off without them, partiuclalry without coronating them as you seem to have done.
The "Fairness" doctrine = "decency"
Both are excuses, one by the left and the other by the right, to spend my tax money on censorship via the FCC. I'm tired of it, so I'll fight the left's "Fairness" just like I fought the right's "decency" BS. But I don't let Demopublicans & Republicrats talk about consistency and First Amendment principles anymore without letting out a good, hearty laugh.
Right...
Because the Right lately has been all about cutting pork barrel spending and responsible use of taxpayer money... lol
Frankly, the fact is that Democrats will likely spend slightly more than Republicans did. But they won't be beholden to the Religious Right, or the Neocons. (I hope.) That sounds like a good trade-off to me. YMMV.
I think this is overly
I think this is overly simplistic. Many so-called "tech voters" are of the Slashdot persuasion -- in other words, unrelentingly shallow thinkers steeped in glorification of tech counterculture, such as it is. For these people, the EFF can do no wrong, Microsoft can do no right, Tim O'Reilly is the smartest man on the planet, "net neutrality" is crucially important to prevent the Evil Telcos from disfavoring their file-sharing and pr0n downloads, and Republicans are just so, so, so tragically uncool. Essentially they're Jon Stewart voters who know how to turn on a computer.
Ron Paul woo hoo
As long as the Libertarians I know:
1. want to decriminalize recreational drugs
2. want to dismantle the U.S. military
3. want to kill the Jews
there is no place for them at the table. They can complain about morality all they want.
What the hell? Okay, let me
What the hell? Okay, let me be clear about something. Prongs 2 and 3 are not by any means doctrinaire libertarian positions. Number 2 is only popular among radical Lew Rockwell style people, and as for Number 3...you must know some very strange people. Number 1 is fairly mainstream among libertarians, but why do you oppose it so fervently? Do you think they just want people to do drugs all the time? If you listened to their economic arguments, they actually make a great deal of sense.
myth, ron paul voters
were either stridently libertarian or stridently racist. that's where he gets #3.
woo hoo yourself
As long as Republicans want to keep raiding medical pot patients, I'll be PROUD to help them keep losing elections, even if it means making equally statist Democrats win. You people, as Bob "Accidental Discharge" Barr showed all too well, learn in the tax and spend drugwar debate via one method: Tough love. That means you'll need to either do that tail between the legs retreat thing on the pot issue, or keep losing. No other choices exist. Pot will be regulated and taxed just like cigs and booze, with or without Republicans in political power.
As for the other stuff, that's bullshit (more military contributions -- deal with it!) and bullshit (more blacks in RP's crowds than ANY other Republican primary candidate -- deal with it!) so I won't even dignify it with more of a response to your drivel.
Very Insightful
I agree with most of the assertions. The Right's problem tends not to be its policies; the problems are in delivery and sales. Our product is better than the Dems but we package it horribly.
Oh, I think the 'delivery'
Oh, I think the 'delivery' problems for at least the past eight years have been just as damaging as any 'packaging' concerns. Who would argue that 'customer service' during the Bush administration has been anything but nonexistent to disastrous? There are very few ways to package and sell what many voters, especially young voters, see as seriously damaged goods. And it begs the question: if the policies are superior, why can't the GOP deliver the goods? IMHO the short answer is that it has been ALL about packaging for the past decade, with little to no emphasis on policies and delivery. The GOP is suffering from the same market dynamics affecting the Big 3: inferior product at too high a price.
I think it's BS. I think this
I think it's BS. I think this correspondant is just a shallow nativist pretending to be a "libertarian."
Maybe I'm reading this wrong - he wants fewer H1b visas and thinks Lou Dobbs has the answers, right. Brilliant - let's shut out the smart foreigners from coming here so the buyers and developers of tech tools have to look to overseas vendors.
This is not a serious argument or position, and from all the comments it's a distraction that has a lot of people chasing down a rathole. Let it go. Get your eye back on the ball.
In fairness:
There's a legitimate beef about H1-B visas among tech workers. The H1-B program was originally intended to aid employers who legitimately could not find qualified hires domestically, but in recent years tech employers have successfully lobbied to increase the number of H1-Bs issued annually, to pay H1-B workers less than domestic workers via HR legerdemain, and to prevent meaningful oversight of the program. Employers aren't required to recruit domestically before trying to recruit an H1-B employee; H1-B workers can be hired even if a qualified domestic worker wants the job, and a qualified domestic worker can be displaced from an existing job in favor of an H1-B worker. While employers have to attest that the H1-B worker is being paid the "prevailing wage" for their skill level, the regulatory standards for calculating the "prevailing wage" enable employers to classify virtually all H1-B workers at a lower skill level, and thus at a lower salary level, than they'd pay a domestic worker. Finally, while the Department of Labor allegedly oversees the program, the DoL is prohibited by statute from doing much more than verifying the employer attestation forms are filled out correctly.
In sum, there's a not-unjustified sentiment that tech employers are using the H1-B program to hire cheap foreign labor in an effort to avoid having to pay what the market will bear for domestic talent. I yield to no one in defense of the free market, but the U.S. labor market isn't free today, and there's a legitimate argument that the H1-B program is simply distorting it further via what's essentially a corporate subsidy, and to the detriment of domestic workers.