Is Jon Huntsman something new?

As the party struggles to find its way, is Jon Huntsman, the Utah governor, something new?

From Jonathan Martin's profile in March 1's Politico:

Huntsman thinks the party's challenge is more profound, owing less to its excessive spending practices during the Bush era than to sweeping demographic and political changes that threaten to consign Republicans to a long-term minority status and confine their appeal to narrow sections of the country. 

The party needs to be more intellectually rigorous, and to compete for the votes of the young, the elites and minorities, he said in an interview with POLITICO. To do so, the GOP needs to tack toward the middle on environment, gay rights and immigration. And, yes, Ronald Reagan is to be admired – but as much for his oft-overlooked pragmatism as for his conservative principles.

And then Huntsman went out and did this on February 9:

Here is a sentence you probably never expected to read: Utah's governor supports civil unions.

Gov. Jon Huntsman Jr., a spokeswoman said Monday, backs Equality Utah's Common Ground Initiative, a legislative effort that would provide some rights to gay and transgender Utahns. Even more, the Republican governor favors civil unions.

It's a position that runs counter to his political party and against the majority of Utahns -- 70 percent of whom oppose civil unions, according to a recent Salt Lake Tribune poll.

"He's long supported many of the ideas that are presented within the Common Ground Initiative," said Lisa Roskelley, the governor's spokeswoman, noting her boss waits to endorse specific bills officially until presented to him in final form. "He supports civil unions."

Other soures worth a read:

The future of our party will be based on what happens in the laboratories and incubators of democracy. Make no mistake about it. If we build real solutions, based on real ideas, that are deliverable to the people, who then register their satisfaction -- good for the state, good for the country, good for the party. That's not gratuitous rhetoric; that's delivering something tangible to the voters.

Huntsman went to Utah and the Wharton School. He served his LDS mission in Taiwan and speaks Mandarin. He ran his family's business interests, and was the elder George Bush's ambassador to Singapore.

Huntsman won two statewide elections with 57% and 77% of the vote in our most conservative state. There aren't many better conservative bonafides than being the LDS governor of Utah. If you do that, you're probably pretty conservative.

And according to Wikipedia:

Huntsman is also a self-proclaimed fan of the progressive rock genre and on July 30, 2007, attended a concert by progressive metal band Dream Theater...Huntsman also joined REO Speedwagon on the piano for two songs during their concert at the Utah State Fair on September 16, 2005.

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I withhold judgment.

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 I know very little about

 I know very little about Huntsman and would need to know more about his operational style and more about his fundamental political philosophy and its roots to make any kind of real judgement at this point.  That being said, I have no problem with his position on civil unions; I cite that because that is what has received so much attention lately.  He does seem to sense that there has been something seriously wrong with the GOP these last several years, and I definitely concur with that.

Huntsman

From everything I've heard about him (not gonna find a link during 24 commercials) he's VERY similar to Mitt Romney, if that's any help.

I like Huntsman

Huntsman is a bona fide conservative who has run Utah very well, and who I happen to agree with on civil unions. I am not, however, big on REO Speedwagon.  

Huntsman is an interesting figure in GOP today

He is proudly outside the mainstream of GOP opinion in terms of his emphasis on the need to craft policy solutions that address core problems people are facing. In the current environment, I'm not sure he will have much the conservative base is interested in.

I hope he runs in order at least to measure the interest among GOP primary voters for his tack to the center approach.

He could be the "3rd way" in Republican politics

Huntsman seems to get it, that our social litmus tests for candidates are ruining any chances of re-gaining a majority and pushing a conservative agenda

There are a few battles that are simply not worth being absolutist on, and despite Prop 8 in CA, civil unions/gay marriage is one of them, and the Republican party will be on the wrong side of history

By having our litmus tests be more so liberty oriented, smaller government, low taxes, less spending, and less on social issues, we will once again bring people to the party whose primary issues are living their own lives, and not worrying about other people.

Right now I don't know enough about Huntsman, but I certainly am intruiged

A Mirage In the Desert

I've been rather surprised at Huntsman's growing national profile, but since I live in Utah, perhaps I can shed some light on the dynamics of Utah politics and Huntsman place in it all.

Conservatism is cultural in this state, which means that its absorbed by osmosis rather than active intellectual inquiry, much like liberalism in Connecticut or Massachussetts.  Every candidate for higher office establishes their bona fides the same way; faith, family, business success.  Rarely do you encounter a issue based race as we saw in Utah 3rd district in 2006 when immigration almost toppled former Congressman Cannon.

Huntsman's political success in Utah has been entirely due to those factors.  His family is very well connected to the Mormon church's dynastic families.  His maternal grandfather was an apostle of the church, its highest priesthood office.  More than one sibling is married into the Hyrum Smith line of descendents.  His father is on of the most famous Mormon industrialists in the state and extremely well-regarded in a state that respects that kind of success.  Moreover, Huntsman presents a kind of Utah ideal of clean-cut good looks and quiet eloquence signaling both education and humility.

In short--he looks the part.

Yet Huntsman Jr. is hardly a movement conservative.  Cahnman's observation that he's a lot like Romney (or how Romney used to be)  is pretty much on the mark.  Huntsman Jr. conservatism is cultural, just like almost everyone else in Utah's is, so his political style is pragmatic rather than ideological.  He gets by in Utah because with a very conservative legislature in place, his range of action is very limited.  Nevertheless, its his work around the margins that bears notice for those of us who pay attention to such things in this state.

Here's the real problem though--Jon Huntsman Jr. is like a faithful husband with an attractive secretary.  His wife's trust gives him the latitude to work with a potential rival for his affections.  That describes Huntsman relationship with the conservative base in Utah, but as you might imagine, it doesn't translate to the national level.

As a Mormon, from Utah, with liberal stains on his collar, he'd have virtually no chance of establishing the kind of trust with the base that he'd have to have to make his brand of politics work on the national level.  In Utah it may be about demographics, but nationally its a clear cut ideological battle.

The "third way" of Republicanism is a mirage created in the Utah desert.

 

it's about demos on the national front too.

the Christian right hates the mormons.

Very unique and interesting analysis Mick.

Mick, thanks for bringing that first hand report. You added a great new dimension to consider.

Huntsman seems from a distance like a smart guy who can read polls and demographic data and see the future of the party. There are only two choices for the GOP, death spiral or move to the middle. That's where all the votes are, and will be for at least a generation.

Ed Rollins, Reagan's election strategist, recently made the point that if you apply Reagan's voter profile numbers to today's demographics, he loses badly to Carter. Huntsman sees the obvious facts of the present that are almost sure to govern the future.

A little crazy demographic data to further point out the youth voter problem. My 16 year old hates school, as almost all teens do. But he remembers being a little kid and loving school then, as almost all tots do. And in his tiny immature mind, this change is all to be blamed on Bush, and No Child Left Behind. That is the only political issue that has any relevance to him, and he can't wait to vote in 2012, to show what he thinks about the Republicans screwing up his school. He has no way of knowing he would hate school just as much under any administration. And apparently his friend's all feel the same. In their minds, GOP=More f#@$ing tests to take.

I swear to you my liberalism had no influence on any of that. We have never discussed NCLB until he volunteered his views a few weeks ago. It's funny which issues one issue voters can latch onto.

one issue voters are dorks

but not idiots, like independent voters tend to be.

;-)

if he's upset about too many tests, then yeah, maybe NCLB might help. but if its just because he hates school -- all high schoolers hate school, except maybe the popular kids.

the youth voter problem will be huge

The GOP's current image is going to create a lasting base of Democratic voters. Think of how many young people have gay friends, or Muslim friends, or friends named Hussein...young people are going to remember all of the attacks from 08 for a long time.

 

Huntsman seems alright, but how does he feel about Rush Limbaugh?

Muslim conservative here...

By all accounts, Muslims should be a very reliable R voting block

Socially conservative for the most part, see eye to eye on issues such as marriage and abortion, and generally for the free market 

uhuh. and where do you stand on polygamy?

;-) I'm told that it was a sin from the Muslim perspective to vote for the "banning of gay marriage" thingummy in texas... because it also banned polygamy.

LOL

Why any male would want 4 wives is beyond me

One girlfriend is enough for me ;) 

*rolls eyes*

because it stops the lusting after porn.

[i heard this on a muslim website i surf! I'm ridiculing the statement, btw]

I don't know about Huntsman

I've always rejected him out of hand, because I worked for Huntsman Chemical and think that they are really lousy business people.  I really grew to dislike his brother Peter.  That being said, I think directionally, he's the right way to go.  A strongly religious, but socially tolerant conservative.

We can't abandon the Moral Majority, but if we let them set the tone, we lose.