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Obama's Conversation With Himself, McCain's Conservation With America
Here are my first impressions from Rick Warren's Saddleback Civil Forum on the Presidency. (I admit I was switching back and forth between that and the Olympics. Fortunately, I only missed some track and the women's marathon and just saw Phelps win his 8th gold medal.)
Speaking of marathons, Barack Obama fared about as well as he did in some of the marathon-like primary debates he had with Hillary Clinton. To put it best, I'll leave it to John Kerry's former online fundraising guy who has become an evangelical since then:
"OK - I take back some of my initial over-enthusiasm for Obama’s performance. I think he did not meet the high expectations of evangelical leaders who are secretly plugging for him. Too many of his answers were vague. He just didn’t seem fully prepared. On a lot of those questions, he had wide open doors. He could have nailed them. But he just kind of went around in circles. A little John Kerryesque, I fear to say."
What exactly is Obama's problem when it comes to forums, town halls, debates vs. rallies and speeches? I take it back to a point I've made earlier about the junior senator from Illinois being, at his heart of hearts, an academic. On the abortion issue, Obama didn't come out strong on being pro-choice while supporting other issues related to "life." Instead, he bloviated on a line that Democrats (and moderate Republicans) have been saying since 2006: "let's find a way to reduce the amount of abortions in America" by encouraging adoptions, etc. It's a good point, but one that many Americans really don't care about.
Obama also fumbled a tax issue when he was asked to define what "rich" is. Instead of trying to change the premise of the question (since it is obviously a dumb question), he actually went on to answer it by saying if your family makes $150K or under, you're middle class or poor; if you make $250K or over, you're pretty well off. What??? So what am I classified as if my family is making in between $150 to $250? (And by the way, what is a "windfall profit"? Unfortuantely, I might leave it up to President Obama to determine if I'm making too much money.)
The biggest stumble from Barack was his answer to Warren's question on whether or not evil exists in this world and whether it should be "ignored, contained, or defeated." The Democrat's answer: evil must be "confronted". What does that mean? It's like Obama was taking a multiple choice test, and decided to make his own bubble saying "all of the above" (kind of like voting "present").
You can see Obama's performance one of two ways. Either he was way too conscious of the many audiences he was trying to please (social conservatives, netroots liberals, middle America) or, once again, he went on the defensive (maybe a combination of both). Either way, I saw the presence of "Professor Obama" instead of "President Obama" ... and of course, I'm more afraid of Dr. Jekkyl in the Oval Office than I am of Mr. Hyde.
In the post-forum coverage, Dana Bash of CNN had a great observation on the two candidates' styles: Obama decided to have a conversation with Rick Warren, and looked at Warren in each of his answers, which probably contributed to his defensiveness. McCain decided to have a conversation with the audience, and in turn with the country, when he answered his questions.
McCain's performance was awesome. Don't take it from me ... once again, take it from Zack:
"Wow. McCain is doing really well. He’s so relaxed and natural. What’s going on? He was supposed to be old and spent and out of touch. But he’s being so much more engaging than Obama was. I think… Right?"
"And just now on education. McCain, '…And find bad teachers another line of work.'"
"He’s just doing so good. Maybe, at least, this strong performance is coming early enough that Obama & his debate prep-ers will snap into better shape fast."
David Gergen on CNN rightfully predicted that McCain will be a much tougher debate opponent for Obama than originally thought. Here's why:
McCain's answers to the actual questions were short and sweet. And he knew how to target the socially conservative audience that he needs to shore up for November. On the abortion question, he lauded his 25-year pro-life record, emphasizing the overwhelming importance of appointments to SCOTUS. Furthermore, McCain did what Obama didn't on the "rich" question. He smoothly deflected the question by saying that we shouldn't tax the rich, "we should try to give everybody the opportunity to be rich in America." He went on to explain how tax policy should encourage growth and promote job creation. Obama's worst answer to a question (how to deal with evil) was McCain's best: defeat it. He expanded upon this point when answering a question on what is worth dying for: freedom. In explaining the situation in Georgia, McCain explained the most important job as president: commander-in-chief, a leader of the free world that will actually promote and defend freedom.
McCain's shining moments came when he told stories: the story of his decision to stay behind in Vietnam to allow a soldier who was captured before him to be set free; the story of his family's decision to adopt a Bangladeshi daughter; etc. Which goes to this larger point: voters don't connect with policy, nuance or academia; they connect with stories. In that light, John McCain should do the following for the last 80 days of the campaign:
- McCain needs to press Obama even more on joint town halls. The presidential debates are just 90-second and 60-second versions of policy items and rhetoric in stump speeches, and McCain should say so.
- McCain need to stop apologizing for telling stories. Democrats will probably say that he comes off as a "grandfather in a rocking chair telling his grandchildren stories of the past." But the fact is that his stories give him a powerful way of bonding with people. Obama has already told his story through two books and an 18-month presidential campaign. Something that comes with heroic service in the military as well as on Capitol Hill is the ability to tell great tales.
- Speaking of his stories, McCain needs a series of ads on these tales, highlighting the themes of decision-making, courage, leadership, and compassion.
- McCain also did a great job for social conservatives. A friend of mine noted that a bunch of Huckabee supporters were awestruck with McCain's performance on abortion, marriage, and judges. In the post-forum coverage on CNN, Tony Perkins of the Family Research Council sang his praises. The McCain campaign should record answers from Obama vs. McCain on these issues and make radio ads targeted to country, conservative talk and even Christian stations.
I am now significantly more excited about McCain's campaign than I was two hours ago. I just made another donation to the campaign, and you should too! According to Soren, he's going to need it.
- Matt Moon's blog
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Comments
Biased Review....
Hey Matt,
Your bias is showing...
Debate
Whatever Chuck. I doubt you even bothered to watch. McCain was dead on. Nice review Matt.
The Hammering
I watched the "debate" twice. The problems with "debates" is that more than one person participating must show up. McCain came alone.
Czarbama could not truly answer the question on abortion because his support of killing the baby after an abortion failed and there results in a live baby on the table. Check the records in the Illinois Senate for that debate...truly revealingly disgusting.
He doesn't even know what evil is but he DID perform better without a teleprompter but, the hesitations and facial contortions were readily apparent on the tough questions which they all were.
The only hesitations in McCain's voice was relating the Vietnam experiences as he succeeded in not bursting into tears.
McCain won me over tonight.
Czarbama will get utterly pounded in a debate with McCain. I have stocked up on the popcorn.
Good "naive" analysis; poor political analysis
By "naive" I mean that this analysis looks at how a evangelical McCain supporter would see the event. However, as political analysis it fails to recognize the main dynamic.
The essential question is: what prize was up for grabs for each campaign? McCain had the opportunity to energize the evangelical base, an important voting bloc and an even more important bloc of GOTV workers. Obama had the opportunity to peel off "moderate" evangelicals reducing McCain's margin.
Based on those prizes I rate the event a draw. I don't think it changes anything.
That said, I'm cheered to see the weakness of Obama's personal charisma with this audience. When his campaign announced its plans to continue the Bush faith-based initiative I was concerned that they could put together a successful Chicago-style patronage scheme to fragment the evangelicals. I'm not certain they will fail in that ambition, but I feel Obama himself may not be the asset they had hoped.
My rebuttal to johnson springs
The Rabbit is a long-winded animal, so I published my post making the case that McCain did in fact win and Obama did not, here.
Arrogance of the Obama Campaign
I agree with Matt's recommendations. I think the Obama campaign has significantly underestimated Sen. McCain. Their arrogance will come back to haunt them in November. Sen. McCain's record of service and personal story is more compelling than Sen. Obama's. Unfortunately, the mainstream media has chosen not to highlight Sen. McCain's tremendous character in favor of Obamamania. Forums like last night provide Sen. McCain with the opportunity to tell his story.
Sen. McCain was spot-on with respect to the issue of life. It's a matter of human rights and those rights begin at conception.
hopeisnotaforeignpolicy.org
Hope is not a business plan
I have a saying around work, "hope is not a business plan." Seems like it would be catchy, but to many plans are based on hopes.
Experience vs Inexperience
that's what I saw in the "conversation" in Saddleback last night....I watched it twice and it became even more apparent the second time....Obama hemmed and hawed to discuss theory in an abject way while McCain answered without hesitation then explained why....John sometimes answered the question before Warren finished asking it....John spoke to the room Obama spoke to Warren...the McCain camp should put John in this setting from now to election day....townhall meetings are good but they don't get coverage...last night was the first time many in the country had a chance to see John and hear him say who he is and why he believes what he believes....the Obama camp has badly "misunderestimated" their opposition Obama cannot old a candle to John in this setting and I'm not sure in a debate setting either...when you have the ability out of the box to give a succinct answer the picture paints itself...when you have to paint the picture first it's not .....Obama again didn't close the sale
Your friend was correct.
McCain did impress Huckabee supporters last night, although 'awe' may be a bit over the top when describing how we felt about it. Encouraged and more hopeful would hit closer to the mark.
Here are some sample posts that were made during our live discussion of the forum.
McCain Cheated?
Looks like McCain had been prepped on the questions.
http://www.memeorandum.com/080817/p50#a080817p50
more here
http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/08/pastor-warren-contradicts-self-on...
I certainly hope. . .
. . .the Obama campaign decides to take that ball and run with it. It's going to be a lot of fun to watch.
Walt, you and I both know
that even if McCain wins by a landslide in November, the lawsuits proclaiming voter intimidation, voter fraud, voter disenfranchisement and Diebold stealing the election will abound. We'll be lucky to get the results in time for the inauguration. These people cannot possibly fathom how, in this so-called "Democrats Cannot Lose" year, McCain could possibly be holding his own, much less breaking away from The One.
Both received same "prep"
Looks like both candidates recived the same "preperation" So what's your point?
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/08/17/warren-mccain-did-not-violate-cone-of-silence/
Story point is spot on
Good point about storytelling. While I thought Obama gave a very good answer on his Christianity - as a pastor would, McCain's prison guard story electrified the audience and made his point about Christianity being a world religion, not just an American phenomenon, something the left seems to ignore.
IMHO McCain was in excellent townhall form and only occasionally bordered on speechifying. He came off as confident, gregarious, human, and above all, decisive.
A second viewing (after having seen McCain) of Obama left me thinking he was trying too hard to not be misunderstood. I would like for contrast to see this format on Obama's home turf, where he could be as at ease as McCain was, but I am not sure where that place is.
A big winner was Pastor Warren, who advanced his agenda while providing an excellent service to the electorate. I think this event also served notice to Republicans to not be complacent about the evangelical vote.
PS - Hi to Pat Ruffini, glad to see him back blogging and I like this format.
McCain has the experience
Something many people seem to be forgetting is that this isn't the first time around on the Presidential campaign express. That in itself may be why we are seeing a seasoned proffessional, vs an inexperienced proffessor.
I know when he made an apperance here in Indianapolis, he was an engaging speaker. He was at various times, humorous, caring, and direct. Sometimes all 3.