Reboot. Rebuild. Rebrand.

There have been a lot of great posts on this site about the future of the Republican Party and the Freedom Movement. I want to add mine to the pile, but do so in a way that offers a clear framework and three-step process going forward: 1. Reboot, 2. Rebuild, 3. Rebrand. 

  1. Reboot – Coalesce around a Vision

Like many large, powerful organizations, the Republican Party began to suffer from inefficiency, mission creep and stagnation. Why does this happen? These organizations become victims of their own success. They lose their way because they lose site of the Vision. Losing site of the vision means paths diverge, the organization splinters—all of which can lead to dissolution. But isn’t it possible for an organization to get its footing back? Remember when Steve Jobs returned to Apple? He brought the Vision back. Now we have iPhones. Luckily, we already have what Jon Henke calls an “organizing principle” around which to coalesce. It’s called liberty. Or, if you like, the Vision of the Founders. Rebooting requires getting the vision back in the manner of a Thomas Jefferson circa 1774, or a Ronald Reagan circa 1979. In case anyone here needs a refresher, here are the Top 5 ingredients of that successful Vision, already given to us by the Founders:

  • Freedom is good for its own sake. (We don’t like tyrants or nannies.)
  • Freedom gives rise to prosperity. (It helps us to be prosperous.)
  • Freedom can only be guaranteed through limiting government. That may mean “going local” (federalism), checks and balances (constitutional reform), or financial constraints (tax & spending reform). As Madison warned: There are no angels in Washington.
  • Freedom must never be auctioned off. (That means must never be sold to special interests, politicians, corporations—even for short term political gain).
  • Freedom’s protection and preservation is the sole purpose of government. (Freedom sacrificed to equality (or “crisis management” or “pragmatism” or X) gives us neither.)

Once everyone has bought back into that Vision, things get a lot clearer. People remember why they were doing any of this in the first place. They have a both a beacon in the darkness and a reason to fight. Right now, we’re still in reboot phase. But with a President-elect and Congress that is both Keynesian and Machiavellian, we have a perfect opportunity to re-embrace the principles of the Founding and define ourselves by way of contrast. (They, after all, are but sloganeers, demagogues and opportunists.)

  

  1. RebuildBottom-Up and Top-Down

Only once the Vision is established and the Reboot has taken place can the execution phase begin. This is the hard part. It is the “mission” part of the Vision/Mission, which is to say the means—i.e. putting together the infrastructure to get people to think like you and vote for your team. Period. This is where you have to pay attention to the bottom up and the top down.

Bottom Up. Decentralization is a good thing to an extent. It drives experimentation and innovation. It allows for new leaders to emerge, new connections to fused, new networks constructed and new communication channels to be opened – all in spontaneous order. Effective memes and new ideas come out of our Movement in unplanned ways through a process of trial and error. While I join Dale Franks in his admonitions about technology being an instrument to some end, we must leave room for good things simply to happen by surprise. So yes, tech must be a tool to carry out our mission—that is, whatever it takes to work in service of the Vision. But we must leave room for the emergent properties of unplanned order—serendipity, innovation and meme. That’s why, in large measure, the Freedom Movement need not reinvent the wheel. We simply need to use the second mover advantage and equip ourselves with whatever tools we need to be effective communicators, marketers, messagers, evangelizers, vote getters and implementers. “Embrace and extend” the best practices of the left and innovate at the periphery. Then we need to share those tools, rules and best practices with those in our networks. This process, while it seems like it has no “plan” is part of the Rebuild. Tools, rules and best practices give rise to all the good stuff that comes from the bottom up.

Top Down. But there is a centralized aspect, too. Sometimes it takes skillful people to market ideas, craft messages and keep people singing from the same page. It takes a central decision-making authority to choose battles and protect the brand. That’s why the centralized aspect must ultimately be to ensure fidelity to the content of the Reboot, which we called the Vision. Remember when Newt Gingrich gave us the “Contract with America”? That was more or less a call for people to reboot in 1994. The Republican Party did well when they stuck to that reboot functionally. They got their people to work based on that buy in. (I think even GOPAC used to send around talking points with variations on the same themes.) The role of the central organization can also be to keep its agents in line. Those, like the Ted Stevens of the world who’ve lost site of the Vision, must be marginalized, or even excised. Those, like the Coburns and the Shaddegs must be empowered. Incentives must be aligned towards one end—building the infrastructure that can get people to think like you and vote for your team. This is where authority and decision-making power by party principals is useful. In any case, finding the sweet spot between bottom up and top down is tough. But when you do, you can move mountains. 

  1. RebrandLook Good Wearing Principles

Once the Freedom Movement has executed it’s Reboot and begun a Rebuild from both the bottom up and the top down, it must then begin a comprehensive Rebrand. That rebrand may simply come from taking our Vision to Madison Avenue and paying talented creatives to help us project a compelling and contemporary image of said Vision. So be it. This is our Movement’s new face. It’s about, Heaven help, making the Republican Party relevant again. And that means whatever devices you use to execute an effective rebrand (and the timing has to be just right), it must be carried out with the Vision and the Mission (getting folks to think like us and vote like us) burned into our brains. Reboot, Rebuild, Rebrand is like shampoo: wash, rinse, repeat. Steps 1 and 2 must always and forever inform the brand. And to some extent the brand must be as much a set of parameters as it is look and feel or message. After all, perceptions are everything. If perceptions are a reflection of something true and good, like principles, you might as well look good while wearing them. 

Whatever we do, we must remember that each of these elements work holistically. Branding without a Vision is empty. Vision without branding is useless. Either without infrastructure is a recipe for failure. Reboot. Rebuild. Rebrand.

 

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Bravo!

I think we should call this GOP 2.0.

All that freedom stuff sounds good...

Does it mean Republicans are repudiating torture, Patriot Act, bailouts, border walls, etc?  If not, talk about freedom is meaningless and hypocritical.

You should explain yourself a little more

If by pulling out tongues,shoving bamboo shoots up fingernails or using hot irons to the eyeballs you mean torture...no, we don't do that. But if you wish to define torture by playing loud music, depriving a terrorist sleep or waterboarding them to talk (like Khalid Sheikh Mohammed) as something evil or bad, you're nuts.

And last time I checked, the PATRIOT act was supported by both parties and since 9/11/2001, we've not been attacked since. 

 

On Torture

Yes, waterboarding IS torture, according to modern norms of civilized treatment of detainees. 

In 1947, a US war crimes tribunal charged, tried, and convicted a Japanese Officer, Yukio Asano, with war crimes for waterboarding a US civilian.  He was convicted of war crimes, and sentenced to 15 years hard labor.

Obviously, you, John Yoo, Alberto Gonzalez, Cheney, Rumsfeld, and all on the Right who try to argue this point should serve the same sentence to learn the same lesson.

On Waterboarding

 If you can't use waterboarding, then what can you do then?

what actually stands a chance of working.

SERE folks say that what works best, and causes fewest American Military Deaths as collateral damage, is developing rapport with your subject, rewarding him for good information, and in general befriending him, so he ceases to think of you as teh evil creature (as all militaries train their soldiers to think of the other side as -- it's a form of desensitization)

First of all border walls

First of all border walls does not equate a lack of freedom. The primary purpose of a governement is to protect the people. If someone can just walk across your boarder then I'm not sure that the government is doing a very good job of protecting the people from outside forces. Be it one or thousands. Secondly you seem to be expressing that it is all fine and dandy for others to ignore our sovereignty. Are you suggestioning we should all anyone and everyone in?

 

yes! give me your tired, your sick, your hungry

 your tattered masses.

ahh, I'm butchering the Jewess Lazarus, forgive me!

America thrived on cheap labor once, why not do it again?

Are you an anti-semite

"... Jewess Lazarus ..."

Are you an anti-semite?

When was this?

America thrived on cheap labor once, why not do it again?

 

Unless you're refering to slavery days, America never thrived on cheap labor.

That's why in America today average people are quite well off, as opposed to those low-wage countries where they still have outdoor plumbing.

back before unions.

afaik, many states would be unable to have indoor plumbing without federal dollars. that whole War on Poverty thing...

AFAIK

Rising Tide IS Jewish. So it'd be interesting if she were anti-semitic.

um. Okay. Apparently you haven't heard of Emma Lazarus

She's the lady who wrote the lines on the statue of liberty.

If mentioning that she was Jewish offends you... Jews do seem to have this strange habit of mentioning when people are Jewish.

emma

Being new to this forum, I was just trying to discover if you were using 'jewess' in a perjorative fashion.  I suppose I could have asked the question "Are you Jewish," but I suspect the question would have elicited the same response as the question I did post.  However, learning that you were an anti-semite would have colored my attitudes towards your subsequent postings.  Learning that you are Jewish does not color them in a negative way.

No, mentioning that Emma Lazarus was Jewish does not offend me, my Bible was recorded mostly by Jews.

BTW, how does it follow from anything I wrote that I hadn't heard of Emma Lazarus, or hadn't known she wrote the lines engraved at the base of the Statue of Liberty?

3 R's

This should be a key to the playbook for the next 2/4 years.

I agree!

I agree!  This is a very encouraging way forward.  It will not be quick and easy, but it can be done.

Get real

If Republicans want Americans to trust them again, they have to offer more than platitudes about "freedom", they need a platform.  Here are a few categories for your consideration

What to do about global warming?  Are we all "free" to fill the air with CO2 that will change the climate, or should the government protect us from man made climate change?

Should Israel be "free" to bomb Gaza at will as long as one or two ineffective rockets sometimes come from there, or should the people of Gaza be free from collective punishment?

Was it wise to invade Iraq at the cost of maybe a trillion dollars total?

Finally, this is not true: "Freedom’s protection and preservation is the sole purpose of government." Govermnemts "Promote the general welfare" by building bridges, inspecting meat, and (if the people want it), profiding large scale low cost medical care.

CO2 follows warming, does not cause it.

CO2 does not cause significant global warming.  Global warming results in increased CO2.  Let's not wreck our economy for bad science, please.  We have enough problems without shouldering that burden.

one or two rockets

If the premise of your comment is that Hamas fired "one or two rockets" into Israel, then your argument is invalid.  Could you please give is the count of rockets that originated from the Gaza strip and landed in Israel from 2005 to 2008?  If you cannot, perhaps I will take the time to do it in a later post.

Purpose of a national government

"Finally, this is not true: 'Freedom’s protection and preservation is the sole purpose of government.' Govermnemts 'Promote the general welfare' by building bridges, inspecting meat, and (if the people want it), profiding large scale low cost medical care."

Any power that is not explicit devolves to the state government according to the US Constitution.  Technically you are correct to note that the quote should have specifed that the federal government's sole purpose is to protect and preserve freedom.  But all of the "welfare" projects you note are actually the purview of state governments, as they choose to implement them.  That leaves people free to live in the kind of state they choose, and even gives them options to move to different states that pursue different policies.  Forcing everyone into the same federal cookie-cutter entails a loss of personal freedom.

You want vision?

>I'll give you vision. Keep religion out of government

>Don't create a war on a lie, with too few soldiers, and no way to pay for it. Also stop the blunders and keep to your objective. And that is Afghanistan and get Osama Bin Laden

>And what are we doing on the economic front. All I have seen for the last 8 years is our jobs going overseas, our money going to Iraq, and the neglect of our infrastructure. 

>And then while we do that we borrow more money to keep our economy as we drain our economy of jobs and money. This is the wackiest economics I have ever seen. We throw our money to Iraq, we send our jobs overseas, and then we borrow for tax cuts for what we reason, I don't know. 

>The neglect of the infrastructure. We need an new air traffic control system. According to the EPA the cost of the water pipe infrastructure is at 277 billion dollars. There is so much to be done with years of neglect.

>You need to cut spending. Some 50 trillion dollars of unfunded programs and Bush has a 500 billion dollar deficit and has added 4 trillion dollars to the debt to a grand total of 10 trillion dollars.

>Get away from failed ideologies. Call it supply side economics, or trickle down. It did not work. We are losing the middle class, we are losing jobs, we are losing manufacturing. Another phrase for this is "guns and butter." An old trick and Bush thought he could get away from it.

>The devisiveness in the republican party has to do with social conservatives and fiscal conservatives. Bush was not a fiscal conservative and tried to put religion in government. Understanding this, makes one understand why Bush is delusional. It makes one understand why we have so many problems piling up.

>Get away from laissez-faire. A do nothing president and the problems are piling up. Fix the problems as they happen. If something is not right then fix it. Bush lets things fall apart and then we have to fix it and it costs 10 times more.

>free trade. Every time Bush talks of free trade, factories close. So recognize problems and fix them. Stop the ideology and fix it. But Bush is delusional and cannot comprehend the problems.

>Stop the lies, deceit, ignorance, arrogance, blunders, and incompetence. 

>Be a visionary. In which the republicans are stuck with tax cuts and laissez-faire. Totally clueless.

>The main problem we face is GLOBALIZATION. Republicans do not get this. I suppose they only believe in the private sector and no government. Well, sorry to break your balloon but the government is central to this. We have to deal with 1 billion Chinese and 1 billion Indians. They want our jobs. We cannot compete with third world labor. So we better get used to it and find a vision as the cities and states are going broke.

I therefore call a vision in infrastructure spending, energy independence, mandatory vocational training, embryonic stem cell research, research and development of all kinds. We need to find a way to create jobs that will stay here and not subject to leaving the country. Every part of our society is broke. The cities and states and federal government is broke and need more revenue. You can't run a country with factories closing and the loss of the middle class. We need to look into the future, which the republicans fail to do. It is the same old rehash of tax cuts and laissez-faire. 

So there you have it. Not a pretty picture. Now let us see if the republican party can reboot.

 

troll alert

lgm and ln are trolls, I think.  Perhaps the same person, even.

 They (he) sound(s) like liberals, not (a) disillusioned conservative(s).

I agree that limited national government is the secret to freedom.

If spending a trillion dollars on Iraq eliminated the rape rooms, then it was worth it.  (Even if it wasn't the primary reason for prosecuting the war.  I have heard from a lot of non-Iraquis about how terrible removing Saddam was, but the Iraquis themselves seem OK with it.

Why should we keep religion out of government?  Our founding fathers did not.  Are we to enjoy the fruits of the government they formed and reject their core values?

And please don't tell me that Benjamin Franklin was a Deist.  He prayed.  Deists have no reason to pray since they think that God set everything in motion but is now uninvolved.

Don't cry crocodile tears about how much the Bush government spent when you know that the Democrats would have spent more if they had been allowed.  We will soon see what kind of spending an unrestrained Obama government prefers.

If you don't understand the principles of free trade, then take a few economics courses.

Given a choice between killing a sick economy with tax increases, or giving my children a future by biting the bullet and cutting taxes now, I choose the future.  Robbing our children and grandchildren just so we can get a lousy $500 or $1,000 unearned rebate is not fair and I reject that thinking.

Jobs are a byproduct of healthy economies.  Taxes do not create jobs.  Creating makework jobs with borrowed money does not help the economy, it just confuses the issue.  Protecting jobs is what prolonged the Great Depression.

 

 

 

Well, lgm and I are two

Well, lgm and I are two different people. I don't know what state he lives in, I live in Ohio.

You talk of limited national government, but the government still has to be managed. And Bush never managed anything. If you see problems, then deal with them and work on them. I saw the deficits 5 years ago and they were ignored. We have globalization, while we cannot have protectionist policies, we can better ourselves with energy independence, mandatory vocational training, embryonic stem cell research, science, innovation, research and development. We need to compete with the rest of the world. And we are not doing anything in that area.

On the Iraq war, it was based on a lie. It was based on ideology. Bush ignored Bob Gates, James Baker, Brent Scrowcroft, and his father. Everyone knew it would be a quagmire. That you would have a civil war. That we would not change hundreds of years of theocracy. Iraq took us away from our real objective of getting Osama Bin Laden and Al Qaeda. And now they are driven into Pakistan, perhaps the most unstable of country of all. It was mismanagement and blunders. And finally not having enough troops to secure both countries and people died. Also the war is not paid for.

If you like religion in government, then I would say look at the Middle East and see what nuts they are. I enjoy my freedom. Freedom of religion is freedom from religion. 

I hope Obama will keep costs down. He has said he wants to look at Medicare and other programs. Which is a lot more than what Bush has done.

Bush has robbed our future with a 500 billion dollar deficit and has added over 4 trillion dollars of debt. I don't like the idea of more rebates or tax cuts, if we don't solve underlying problems. And I have mentioned what you have to do in my second paragraph. The tax cuts have been overdone for 8 years and now they are ineffective. We need to fix the problems and get away from failed ideologies. The tax cuts was just from borrowed money. We need new industry to replace the old. And you will need all the research and development you can ever do. We are years behind.

Here is a paragraph from USA Today.

"For no good reason — other than a philosophical aversion to taxes and reluctance to call for sacrifice — Bush squandered the budget surplus he inherited and almost doubled the national debt at a time of relatively robust economic growth. In so doing, he stimulated the economy when it was not needed, making it harder to do so now when it is. His fleeting and politicized attempts to address looming cost crises in Social Security and health care were fruitless, and both problems deepened."

The Bush tax cuts were overdone. And now they are ineffective. Add to that the fed has lowered interest rates at the lowest levels. So they can do no more. It will take a miracle to get out of this mess.

So far it has been the same failed ideology from the republicans. And so far you offer no solutions.

Wrong, Wrong, Wrong

"failed ideology from the Republicans"

That is liberal phraseology.  Conservatives phrase it like this:

"failed liberal ideology embraced and republicans in name only"

The ideology that failed was the ideology of expanding government, expanding spending and expanding limits on individual freedom.  Obama shares this ideology, and is putting it on steroids.

"Government still has to be managed"

If by "managed" you mean "managed by another government entity" then you are turning the idea of limited government on its head.  Government is limited by restricting its powers.  My appeal to my fellow citizens is that they will extract

(1) Socialists

(2) Liberals

(3) Republicans in Name Only

from federal leadership positions.

"Those are governed best who are governed least." -- Thomas Jefferson

"Government is not reason, nor eloquence. It is force. And like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearsome master." -- George Washington

We have given two presidents

We have given two presidents two times with supply side economics and both had deficits and debt. Now, it may be true about too much spending, but nobody did anything about it. Bush called it Voodoo economics and was forced to raise taxes, saving the Reagan legacy. Even under Reagan, there were user fees and such.

Now you just criticized Obama on spending and as Bush leaves office, Bush has a 500 billion dollar yearly deficit and has added over 4 trillion dollars to the debt. I do not agree with all of the Obama spending, however there are areas that have been neglected for too long.

By managing, I mean recognizing problems and dealing with them. The neglect of the infrastructure, free trade as factories close and what to do about it, cities and states going broke, deficits and debt, energy independence, the low dollar, and the lies and blunders and ignorance of the war. I expect the president to be a CEO and run the country, and not run the country into the ground.

Obama is Bush plus three zeros

"Now you just criticized Obama on spending ..."

Obama is Bush plus three zeros on the end.  This is like trying to fight a fire with gasoline.

Well, Bush was given a

Well, Bush was given a surplus and he threw it all away.

Obama comes in with a multitude of problems. Obama is painted in a corner and there is no room for him but to do deficit spending-if he wants to prevent a depression. This is one heck of mess. 

Surplus is evidence of overtaxation

"Well, Bush was given a surplus and he threw it all away."

Revenues in the late 1990's were inflated by the dot com boom and the Global Crossing/Enron/etc shenanigans.

Government surplus is normally evidence of prior overtaxation.

They (Clinton and Gingrich)

They (Clinton and Gingrich) was paying down the debt with that yearly surplus.

So we have gone from 5.6 trillion dollar debt and a surplus in 2000 to a debt of over 10 trillion dollars and a 500 billion dollar deficit in 8 years. And I guess that is good in your book.

Doesn't surprise me. Cheney said deficits don't matter. And there was a guy that replaced Rush Limbaugh for a day and he said deficits are good. Really sad. Not much difference from tax and spend democrats and deficit and spend republicans. Somehow the ideology has gone awry. 

Don't play this game

Don't play the game of bemoaning Bush deficits while welcoming Obamanomics.

The situation is not:

Bush economics bad, Obamanomics good. 

The situation is

Bush economics bad, Obamanomics worse.

The solution is

Conservatism

 

Wrong Wrong Wrong

"mandatory vocational training"

Isn't that like, "slavery"?

The next economic crisis we

The next economic crisis we face is globalization. And we are facing it now. Factories are closing. People losing jobs, wage pressure, loss of healthcare, and loss of pensions. Cities and states are going broke. We cannot compete with third world nations with slave labor.

I view most of the manufacturing jobs as vulnerable to going overseas. Other countries are preparing for globalization. China is teaching english to students, various countries subsidizing industries, Singapore subsidizing embryonic stem cell research as we do not. In Hungary, you must know english entering college.

We are doing nothing. We are running up deficits and debt, We are sending our jobs overseas. We are sending our money to Iraq. We have to compete with the rest of the world. We need an educated society. You can no longer leave high school and get a job in the factory.

Now we can deal with the issues, or we can just do laissez-faire like the last 8 years and do nothing. We have major issues. The only thing Bush has done is increase the welfare rolls. 

Bush and the liberal congress

"The only thing Bush has Bush and the liberal congress have done is increase the welfare rolls."

 

Wrong Wrong Wrong

"We can better ourselves with energy independence"

Is that why your leaders in Congress just proposed permanently shutting down exploration and drilling in ANWR?  Or are they doing that as a small minded dig at a certain Alaska Governor who terrified them in last general election?

If you want to talk about alternative energy sources as a replacement for current sources, please give me a comparison (in BTU's) of how each alternative stacks up to oil, coal and gas.  Then please extrapolate those numbers to square miles of real estate required to implement the alternative technology.  If you are unwilling, perhaps I can do it for you in a later post.

I am not a leftist. I am for

I am not a leftist. I am for all drilling in Alaska and off shore. I have not seen an energy council in 30 years. I have not seen an energy plan in 30 years. For 30 years we get caught in these problems. So can a president head an energy council?

Can this country make a battery that will go 100 + miles to a charge? Or do we wait for another country to do it. China is bringing in a car that will run 63 miles to a charge. We need a Manhattan project. And in more areas than one. We are losing our competitiveness.

But our "great" president Bush did not know, when confronted by a reporter a year ago, that gas was going to 4 dollars a gallon. 

Arbitrage

No one knows what the price of gas will be a year in the future.  If they did, they would arbitrage the product, and the price would not be what they predicted.

But we know that the price

But we know that the price will go up. Happens every time.

The only reason gas prices are down is that we are in a recession. No pressure on gasoline. Have economic growth and gas prices will go up.

 

Distinction without a difference

"happens every time ..."

except when there is a recession, which cannot be predicted, otherwise the effects would be arbitraged, etc etc etc.

Here is what happened to our economy in my view:

1) Government forced Fanny and Freddy to offer and guarantee bad loans. (Barney Frank, Chriss Dodd, Obama, etc)

2) Chuck Schumer tried to torch the economy by bad mouthing IndyMac

3) Indymac failure dominoed and created unease about securitized Fanny and Freddy products

4) Paulson and Bernanke spooked Bush with a credit freeze scenario

5) The federal government asking for 700 billion out of the blue collapsed everyone's confidence in the economy- destroying trillions in value.

6) The new congress and Obama are shoveling good money after bad to fix what is at root a loss of confidence in the economy.  Since no one can be sure where the government will intervene next (perhaps wrecking your business to favor someone else's), confidence will not return until the government gets out of the market, and gives a convincing impression that they will stay out.

7) Obama and the current congress will not stay out of the market.

8) We cannot recover until Obama and the current congress have been removed.

9) Will this be in 2012? 2016? 2042?  The stock market did not return to pre-Crash levels until the 1950's!  Economists are now concluding that FDR's economic interventions actually retarded the recovery.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/new

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2007/01/20070103.html

Well for one thing Bush had no idea what he was doing. In 2007 he was calling a balanced budget in 2012. Never accounting for a recession. Also we saw the deficits and debt 5 years ago. Bush tried a guns and butter approach and tried to have tax cuts and a war at the same time. It don't work. LBJ did the guns and butter and we had 20 years of inflation. So now we have deficits and debt under Bush. All this before the financial crisis.

You have a financial crisis today. The threat is deflation and a depression. Everyone is doing something to stop it. If you just let if fail, it could have worse repercussions. We are talking of the whole banking system around the world. So that is why economists on CNBC want something done.

I have no doubt that this will be a very slow recovery. There is a lot of damage. In the meantime we need to find a way to cut spending, get out of Iraq, fix free trade, prepare for globalization, and get this country back on track after the disastrous 8 years. And that in itself will take 20 years I figure to work on the Bush deficits and debt.

Recession triggered by Democratic congressmen in 2008

The recession was TRIGGERED by Democratic Congressmen in 2008 (Schumer, Frank, Dodd).  How was President Bush supposed to predict that in 2007?

We know that recessions

We know that recessions happen every 4 to 6 years. We have had some 10 of them since WW2. Nothing wrong with that. That is the way a capitalistic country works. But the fact remains is that Bush counted on his supply side economics to solve all problems and he ended up with all problems as he did not address them. So he is leaving all these deficits and debt as we went into a recession, 2 wars, a military stretched thin, factories closing and middle class jobs going overseas, cities and states going broke, our money going to Iraq, the tax cuts all used up and more tax cuts are ineffective, the fed with the lowest interest rates and no longer do anymore, an infrastructure in neglect, a housing crisis, a banking crisis, an auto crisis. And Bush left no future projects in science innovation, research and development. We are falling behind in embryonic stem cell research and other areas.

Now, not all is his fault but this is the mess Obama will take over. 

Obama's mess

"The mess Obama will take over"

Let us not forget that Obama helped to cause the problem by suing banks that did not want to engage in subprime lending please.  Although it is poetic justice that Obama will now be responsible for the mess he helped so much to make.

Well, that is one I did not

Well, that is one I did not know. I give you credit on that one. 

Wrong Wrong Wrong

"If you like religion Islam in government, then I would say look at the Middle East ...

 

"I enjoy my freedom. Freedom of religion is freedom from religion."

I agree.  But freedom of religion was established so people could practice their chosen religion in peace.  Freedom from an established state church is your right, as it has been for over 200 years now.  When was the last time an Episcopalian or a Baptist levied a religious tax on you?

Religion is a person's beliefs about the nature of ultimate reality.  Everyone has those.  Call it religion if you will, but  the non-religious should not have a privileged place in a free society.

 

 

We don't need evangelicals

We don't need evangelicals putting legislation in congress. They don't any more than me. You have hundreds of churches and if that is your thing, then fine. 

Sort of intolerant

So you want to remove evangelicals political representation in congress, huh?  Isn't that sort of intolerant? 

And what does the number of churches have to do with political representation?  It's like me saying 'you have hundreds of book clubs, and if that is your thing, then fine.  But we don't need you putting legislation in congress' 

By the way, why do you assume I am an Evangelical?

I have no idea what religion

I have no idea what religion you are and I don't care. What we do know is that evangelicals have an agenda (whatever that is) with the republicans. And the republican party wants the votes. In any case, we should keep a separation of church and state. Things are fine the way they are.

How stupid can one person be?

"Seperation of church and state" does not mean what you think it means.

And in any case, that phrase appears nowhere in the Constitution. It is not a legally binding concept within the law of this country.

Other than that, you're doing great.

Given the general flavor of the courts

I believe that the judicial consensus is that there should be some sort of wall (if semi-permeable) between church and state.

That's nice

the judicial consensus is that there should be some sort of wall (if semi-permeable) between church and state

When did it become the American consensus that the judicial branch got to make such policy decisions? This site is teeming with oligarchy fans.