Obama vs. America - Part 2

Marxism is the extreme of socialism, whereby the state owns and controls all the means of production and thereby the entire economy of the state. Most forms of Marxism share the idea that capitalism is based on the exploitation of workers by the owners of the means of production. Marxism takes a view of history according to which class struggle, the evolving conflict between classes with opposing interests, structures each historical period and drives historical change. Marxist economics is based on the idea that capitalism is by nature exploitative and conflict driven, and will ultimately fail on its own. This failure will be brought about by a worker revolt against the ruling class, with the ultimate outcome being a classless society.

Liberalism in America has, over the last fifty years or so, successfully created the notion that there are two Americas. The haves and the have nots, the greedy rich and the oppressed poor. It is the working definition of class struggle and conflict. Liberalism has taught that the rich gained their wealth on the backs of the poor, by taking advantage of their effort and insuring that they were not able to rise out of their poverty. Liberalism has purported to be the means by which the poor and oppressed will gain equality with the wealthy. However, liberal policies attempt to force this not by adding wealth to the poor, but by taking wealth from the wealthy. If Joe Liberal has $10 and Bob Capitalist has $100, liberalism wants to take $90 from Bob, so that Joe and Bob are equal. Equal they are, but neither is better off. In fact they are both worse off, because now Bob no longer has the resources to invest so that he and Joe can gain wealth, or at least have a chance to gain it. The state is the only winner. Liberalism has been an abject failure in the arena of effective policies that work to elevate the condition of the poor and society in general. But it has been very, very successful in creating the class struggle and conflict which is necessary to move to the next step.

Enter Barack Hussein Obama, ultra liberal and radical, with an agenda to remake America. Marxism is big on state ownership of all means of production. So far there is at least partial state ownership of the major banking institutions, insurance companies and  automobile manufacturers. The current push is for state ownership of our health care system, or about 15% of the entire economy. Obama is closely aligned with labor unions (more us vs. them mentality) as is the democratic party in general. He is unashamed of his philosophy for wealth redistribution. (remember Joe the Plumber?) He is friendly with unrepentant domestic terrorist William Ayers. He is a disciple of Saul Alinsky. For twenty years he belonged to a church where Rev. Jeremiah Wright frequently and openly bashed America. Now he has appointed over 30 czars who are unelected and unaccountable to anybody but him. One of those czars is Van Jones; Green Jobs Czar. Van Jones has an interesting past. He was arrested in 1993 at the L. A. riots after the Rodney King incident. He was arrested again in 1999 in Seattle during the World Trade Organization protests. Note this excerpt from a Nov. 2005 interview in the East Bay Express: While describing his jail experiences, he said, "I met all these young radical people of color -- I mean really radical, communists and anarchists. And it was, like, this is what I need to be a part of."  Jones already had a job in Washington, DC and had rented an apartment there. He decided to stay in San Francisco even though he already had his plane ticket. "I spent the next ten years of my life working with a lot of those people I met in jail, trying to be a revolutionary. I was a rowdy nationalist on April 28th, and then the verdicts came down on April 29th," he said. "By August, I was a communist." In 1994, he and other young activists formed Standing Together to Organize a Revolutionary Movement, or STORM, a socialist collective which held study groups on the theories of Marx and Lenin and dreamed of a multiracial socialist utopia.  (emphasis is mine)

Is Obama a Marxist? I don't know. Let me rephrase the question - if it was a felony to be a Marxist, would there be enough evidence to support an indictment against him? Maybe.

Pay attention to what he does, his associations, and his appointments - not just what he says.

Another question - just for kicks, let's say you were a committed Marxist, and that you had a vision of a Marxist America. Let's assume you had the means, the time, and were patient. Just how would you go about making your vision a reality?

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Is Obama a Marxist?

I would respectfully submit that whether the President is a secret marxist is not a real problem.

The energy that goes into is-this-one-a-secret-x ruminations is energy not spent developing conservative responses and/or solutions to real problems. Some problems are those liberals identify that conservatives do not consider to be problems such as the climate crisis. Other problems are those both sides recognize such the sustainability of Medicare.

When we spend time worrying about false problems like creeping marxism we direct energy away from both crafting responses to liberalism's non-problems and fromcrafting conservative solutions to our real problems.

You gotta be kidding me

"I would respectfully submit that whether the President is a secret marxist is not a real problem."

What? If the President is a marxist, that's not a real problem? "Creeping marxism" is a "false problem"?

I understand if you don't think any marxism exists, but to say it doesn't matter either way - I don't know how to respond to that. On the other hand, since the "climate crisis" meets your criteria for a problem worthy of consideration, maybe I get it after all.

Here is the conservative solution to this problem;

1) do all we can to stop the slide towards socialism / marxism. Stand up and oppose everything and everybody that moves us in that direction.

2) Get Obama and every other politician who agrees with his vision out of office as soon as we can.

Or, we can sit around and engage in meaningless pseudo-intellectual babble about our "real problems".

 

So we should move immediately to eliminate

So we should move immediately to eliminate

  • Social Security
  • Unemployment Insurance
  • Medicare
  • Medicaid
  • Food Stamp Program
  • National School Lunch Program

Or, should we do as johnson springs suggests, and worry less about taxonomy and more about the big picture?

(Please, no "clever" plays on the syllable "tax" in your response....)

 

Since there has been no

Since there has been no challenge to the validity of my assertions, I'll conclude that they are accepted. Given that, there is credible evidence that we have a president who at the very least leans toward marxism. He is championing policies that move our country in that direction - quickly. If he is successful with his agenda, America as we know it ceases to be.

Just how big does the picture have to be?

I'm sorry my remarks confused you.

I thought I was saying that worrying whether Obama or any mainstream American politician is a secret marxist is counter-productive. Defeating liberal climate change legislation is not.

For the record, I don't think the President is a marxist, a socialist, a nazi, a fascist, a Kenyan or a muslim. I think he's a talented, mainstream American liberal. Nothing more, nothing less.