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Can America Be Saved?
Crosspost at http://www.tothepointtees.com/cgi-bin/tothepointtees/PageDisplay?Blog
Conservatives and Christians all over America are vacillating between a sense of fear of socialistic control by our current government and a hope that a revolt against such government is beginning to arise. The evidence of discontent toward these “changes” in our American way of life was revealed by the overwhelming response at the recent tea parties occurring throughout our nation.
Suddenly, there is a ray of hope. People are uniting, we hear. Americans are mad and they aren’t going to take it any more. We will band together and show the liberals that we surround them as opposed to them surrounding us.
Maybe. But I am doubtful.
Why?
When I attended a tea party on April 15th I took a good look around me. While there were a few children and young adults among the crowd, the majority of the people at these tea parties were over fifty. Gray heads and middle aged spread abounded. The people who are angry, the Americans who are fighting against socialism and our new leadership are aging America.
Where were the young people?
In school, you say.
Bingo. That’s our problem. Our kids are sitting in classrooms all across America. Classrooms controlled by our government. Classrooms where they are being thoroughly indoctrinated with socialism and its brother communism. Classrooms where evolution is taught as fact and creationism as a myth. Classrooms where tolerance toward deviant sexual behavior, more than reading, writing, and arithmetic, is drummed into our children’s brains from 9 till 3 everyday.
Our children are learning history that has been filtered, twisted, and completely re-written to conform to the ideologies of the very people moms and dads, grandmas and grandpas are revolting against. They are being instructed that Islam is merely another path that leads to God, who by the way doesn’t really exist. Christianity? Well it’s just some antiquated belief held by dangerous radical extremists in America’s dying churches.
Have you ever taken a hard look at America’s kids? They are covered with tattoos and marks from cutting themselves. They watch filth on television and the internet, they play with violent and sexually exploitive games on their play stations, they listen to mind-numbing music that is filled with profanity and encourages its listeners to violence.
But... we want them to be socialized. We want them to fit into their society, profane and perverted that it is. Heaven forbid that our kids should be different!
But unless our kids are different, America is toast. We can’t take back America until we take back our kids!
Our kids have fallen for the evolutionary, anti-God, socialistic agenda that permeates American schools and the parents of this country are responsible. Moms and Dads have abdicated their authority over their children by handing them over to people who hate everything that they, the moms and dads, supposedly stand for.
If we want to save America we must do two things. One, repent! Ask God to forgive us for relinquishing the control of the precious children God has entrusted to our care and training, into the hands of the God-hating world. Two, take back our authority over our children, accept the God-given mandate to diligently train them in the ways of God, and fill their minds with Scripture as opposed to the filth of this world. One of the best ways we can do this is by homeschooling our children (or at the very least enrolling our children in SOLID Christian schools.) We must teach them what we believe rather than allowing the enemies of God to indoctrinate them with their beliefs.
Very soon the young people and children will be the ones governing our nation. To repeat a cliche, "children are the future". They are our hope for the survival of the America we once knew and loved and if they do not hold our beliefs, but rather the empty and ugly and frightening philosophies of those currently in power, then as Ronald Reagan once said...
“One day we will spend our sunset years telling our children and our children’s children what it was once like in the United States where men were free."


Comments
This diary is so gay it's a Santorum.
Tell me, Mrs. P, how certain are you that your pastor hasn't declared "free range" on your daughters? You certainly seem like the indoctrinated parent, who wouldn't believe her own daughter if she kept insisting that she wasn't pregnant to the nice boy next door -- but because someone else had done it. Someone in authority.
I guess, in that way, you kinda strike me like Sarah Palin. That's not a compliment, by the way.
Beneath it all, you have forgotten that Jesus was about Love, first. Not about Rules, not about What Is Good. About Love. If you cannot love your neighbor enough to accept them, treasure them for the unique human they are, you are not worthy of Jesus' forbearance, no matter how much you claim to believe in him.
Aslan has turned his back on you and your ilk. Enjoy your world while it lasts.
Wait a minute RT...
I don't even know how you got onto the pastor impregnating thing. That was pretty twisted.
Jesus being about Love doesn't have a thing to do with what this Mrs. P is addressing. (But at least you get that fact that He does love you! And that we're supposed to also!)
Non-Christians like to paint Jesus as this softy dude that was cool with everyone doing their thing and just wanted tell camp fire stories while He provided the food.
He was not. He met people's needs, and met them where they were, but He surely didn't leave them in their old condition (unless they chose to stay that way!)
He was hated by the religious leaders because He would show them where their hearts were through His stories. He flipped over the tables of the money changers because they were using "religion" to manipulate and profit from people's need for forgiveness. He was always communicating with purpose to correct people's misconceptions about Him, about "religion", about forgiveness, and about loving others. Not too many people "got it" when He told those stories, and He had to re-tell his disciples what He was talking about most of the time! Most of them eventually did "get it".
Now, I'll agree with you that a lot goes on in places of worship that just ain't right. Following rules doesn't bring that forgiveness. You rightly make the point that a lot of "Christians" give Christianity a bad name. I'm amazed God still chooses to work through fault-filled people to bring His message to those that haven't heard it yet.
Anyway, it seems to me Mrs. P is advocating PARENTS to teach THEIR children - not for the gov't to teach the children Christianity.
hidebound authoritarian right-wing religion
leads to a funny sort of "natural selection," wherein the people with the evolutionary (umm... throwback?) drive to impregnate as many young girls as possible tend to ascend to leadership positions. Then they encourage everyone to be anti-abortion and pro-marriage-at-a-young-age, so that their kids can be taken care of by cuckolds. And the very authoritarian nature of the religion tends to encourage those who aren't cuckolds to find a different religion.
The whole thing IS sick and twisted and a real conflict of interest. Particularly when pastors start selling the rights to mate with the maidens of their flock.
Ick, I wish I was making this stuff up!
I'm not necessarily saying that just because someone's conservative and religious (note I haven't mentioned Christianity yet -- it applies to all religions that I've studied), that they're involved in one of these. But this lady seems a bit... over the top. I've met people who refused to watch Television, on account of "they'd rather be studying the bible" and not polluting their mind with external influences. These were the same people who thought that women should submit to men (I think this, plus the extreme faith put in spiritual leaders, is at the root of the prevalence of rape/adultery/incest).
Mrs. P is over the top to you...
But does your personal opinion mean she actually is?
In the New Testament, Ephesians 5:22-33, the writer (Paul) tells wives to submit/respect their husbands 3 times and husbands are told to love their wives 3 times (along with examples, because we men are slow).
I've been to several marriage seminars, and many of the speakers have said that when husbands start loving their wives the way Christ showed us to and with the right reasons, wives voluntarily follow their husbands lead more willingly.
But if you think it's crazy that wives should submit/respect/follow their husbands' lead, then I guess it's over the top for husbands to love their wives... (non-sequitor alert).
yes, she is over the top.
talking about how our schools are teaching kids communism? that's over the top, man!
Talking about how violent television teaches kids to be violent? That's merely ignorant. The most pacifistic country in the world, Japan, has obscenely violent kids shows.
I do think it a mistake to take someone's cultural prejudices, and ascribe them as universal law. Again, this is my opinion, but i think I've got some justification for it.
That's funny
that a drama queen well-known for blowing things out of proportion like Rising Tide could have any room to say that ANYONE FOR ANY REASON would be over the top.
Over the top = call the thought police?
This is a slippery slope to try to walk on...
Ad hom attacks are just as bad as unsubstantiated claims / opinions.
That goes on way too often to be classified as over-the-top.
"as ye do to the least of thee, ye do to me"
poke me if I'm not quoting that right. You know this crazy ol' Jew doesn't Believe in Jesus -- but I do think the man had some nice ideas.
Yeah, I do know where you're coming from -- but I don't think that Jesus would have consigned people from birth to having a loveless life (and I feel compelled to note that I'm talking about carnal love, because we've gotten into a religious discussion! heh. ) -- nor would he want some of his followers to treat others like they were immoral for behaving as G-d made them.
Which, I guess, was my point about love. But, as with the above quote, I have to think that a policy of "not engaging" the community with your kids is bound to lead to kids who can't relate, can't understand, and as a necessary consequence become bigoted, and possibly believe that they're superior to others.
Mrs. P seems to be advocating cloistering kids away from Immoral Godless influences... which is sad, because you can learn a lot of good things from them.
still turning that quote around in my head... it's often used to talk about the poor... but what about the faithless?
Poke... :-)
But good try (if you like to speak in the King James English). Matthew 25:40
I like the New American Standard Bible version: The King will answer and say to them, 'Truly I say to you, to the extent that you did it to one of these brothers of Mine, even the least of them, you did it to Me.'
It was Jesus' response about doing good deeds that showed who was a Christian and who would be saved (feeding the hungry & thirsty, taking in strangers, clothing the naked, visiting people who are sick or in jail). I would venture to say those are just some examples, and not an exhaustive list.
Helping any one in need (that includes the poor as well as "sinners") is always a good thing to do!
The apostle Paul did advocate for those that aren't meant to be married (like him) to not get married, but for those that didn't have self-control (which is MOST of us) to get married. See 1 Corinthians 7:1-9. Better to marry than to burn with passion! ;-)
It's pretty clear the apostles and writers of the NT and Old Testament (the Law) condemned homosexuality.
Check 1 Corinthians 6:9 & 1 Timothy 1:8-10 if you don't believe me. I couldn't find any words of Jesus where He said so specifically (and is probably why the topic is so hotly debated in various denominations), but it is a sin in the Old Testament, and Jesus didn't refute any of the validity of the Old Testament. So, I count it as just one of the many sins He can forgive.
Instead of saying "What would Jesus do?" and then attributing what you think is a good answer - ask instead "What did Jesus do?" and find out. The answers have always been surprising to me!
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My intention in pointing out these Bible verses is NOT to make The Next Right a "Christian" movement, only to clarify information. I don't think Christians should be expelled from the movement, nor do I think non-Christians should. I believe becoming a Christian is a choice people are permitted to make on their own, and should not be forced on anyone. But I also believe it is a matter of free speech, and a matter of parental choice, that shouldn't be interfered with by the government.
See, when you have two religions look at the same source
material, and one says that homosexuality is not explicitly forbidden in the Torah, and the other says that it is forbidden in the Old Testament -- well, at that point you have legitimate disagreement. I think your certainty is misguided.
In my quite conservative synagogue, I was taught that the Torah explicitly forbade idolatrous practices, and that the homosexuality of the time was seen to be idolatrous, as it was something that idol-worshippers practiced at temple (as was prostitution). But that's not to say that homosexuality is bad! It's not. It's to say that idol worshipping is bad, and the Torah enumerated instances of idolatrous practices. Nowadays, my religion would say that it's worse to go and kiss the Jonas Brothers poster, than it is to go have boyXboy sex.
King James is all well and good, until you get to the point of active misreading. ;-) Thou Shalt Not Murder is one of the ten commandments, it's really not Thou Shalt Not Kill.
I'm a bit confused, if you think that Jesus did not refute the old testament, why do you eat pork?
I'm a vegetarian!
:-) Well, going on 11 months now! (But I'm not saying everyone HAS to be either. I am for health reasons). But I used to eat pork for sure.
Jesus didn't tell anyone to eat pork - nor is it recorded that He ate pork. It was the apostle Peter that saw it from G-d in a vision (well, it doesn't mention pigs, only unclean animals). Read about it in Acts 10 for the reasons why. I don't know the history about it from that point though.
Okay, this is new to me... can you give me a source to read that the Torah doesn't forbid homosexuality? I would like to study that. I could try to search on my own, but you might have some information there and save me some time.
Yes, there are language translation "issues" people have been stumbling on - thanks for understanding & pointing out that the mistranslation of "murder" in the KJV has really confused people. (Some conscientious objectors could have had a clear conscience if they'd have known that - but I won't pick, because there could have been other factors involved in their decisions).
Hey, for the record, I do believe America needs a secular government. One that relies on the rule of law - not any religion - to determine what is lawful and what is not. I'm way more libertarian on these topics than you might assume. But if people want to exhort others that are like-minded to teach their children what they believe, I think they should be able to as well.
Judaism is Chaotic!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_and_Judaism
Here's a basic rundown:
Orthodox Jews say no homosexuality
Conservative Jews are pro-gay cantors and rabbis, with committment ceremonies (sometimes. this is a majority opinion, but there's another majority opinion that says no). One distinguished rabbi makes the argument that homosexuality was abusive in the ancient world, and is no longer today, so the scripture against it no longer applies.
Reform Jews feel that gay rabbis and cantors are fine, and that the Leviticus laws refered to prostitution and idolatrous fertility cults.
If you need more info, I can pull it tommorrow! ;-)
Now the fun thing is to explain to someone that "Adam knew all the animals in the garden of eden" ... that "know" is carnal knowledge (literal hebrew word). So, Adam was essentially buggering all of the animals == because G-d told him to, and because he didn't know the difference between good and evil, it wasn't bad.
and gratz on the vegetarianism!
I'm totally down with secular gov't. religious gov't seems like a bad idea. doesn't work so good with hamas, after all.
Thank you for the rundown.
That looks like quite the condensed version!
I'll look into this more as well. Thanks again for the wiki article and the history. Protestant Christian denominations have come to similar conclusions, and I'm going to study this more too.
Have a great night...
That Wiki article didn't prove your point though.
It just showed that some "opinions" have begun to change on it.
It read to me like Orthodox and non-USA Conservative Jews still take the traditional view of homosexual behavior as sinful because it IS stated that way in the Torah. They seem to delineate between the "acts" and the person as well, and I totally agree with that.
Obviously, you've got some first-hand experience that may trump a wiki article.
yeah, my experience is one extremely conservative synagogue
where I was taught something that really wasn't Conservative canon at the time (it was Reform canon). I don't know. This was the same shul that said "no women allowed to read Torah."
I must say I'm VERY tempted to read something mysogynistic into which verses were read literally, and which more liberally.
From an "American Youth"
While reading this article, I completely agreed with you--up to a point. I, in fact, was one of the young Americans who wanted to be at one of the Tea Parties but couldn't attend due to school (I'm a college student, I had a test on that day).
I agreed with you until this sentence: "Classrooms where evolution is taught as fact and creationism as a myth..." and you began a paranoid socially-conservative rant.
Let me tell you that, as a young Republican, the number one turnoff among the youth towards the Republican Party is the creepy culture warrior mentality that pervades many of its members. Trust me, hysteria over things like:
"they are covered with tattoos and marks from cutting themselves. They watch filth on television and the internet, they play with violent and sexually exploitive games on their play stations, they listen to mind-numbing music that is filled with profanity and encourages its listeners to violence.."
...is a great recruitment tool for Democrats to portray Republicans as the out-of-touch, old white people's party. Not to say we should pander and indulge young people for their votes (you can't outdo the Democrats in that capacity)--but seriously, how am I supposed to recruit independents when I have someone going "You're going to hell because of the smut they taught you in public school!" over my shoulder?
What music, video games, and movies children watch should be in the rightful authority of the PARENTS. If you want to play "culture warrior," fine--but keep it out of the government. As you can see, my username is derived from the great Barry Goldwater. He understood that the goal of conservatism was to conserve liberty, not play "culture police."
"...rightful authority of the PARENTS."
You're right, and that was Mrs. P's second point: Parents - teach your children.
I think you and RT took this entry in a way that was unintended by the author. She wasn't advocating calling out people's faults and telling them they're messed up. She was making a general observation to be an exhortation to parents to take responsibility to teach their children instead of putting it off on the state.
You may not agree with her observations, but no where did she say that you had to.
ahhhh
Whenever I think that the Repubs might actually cleave to some solid Libertarian principles, a loon like this pops up and reminds me why the party is shrinking.
This post is actually SPAM...
for someone selling T-shirts. Kinda wished I'd have visited your site first.
But thanks for the opportunity to talk about Jesus, Mrs. P!