Nate Silver Has a Question for Many of You

big h/t to Patriot's Quill and Nate Silver:

If you had invested in the Dow on March 3 when Presenident Obama recommend buying stocks, you would have already seen an 11% return on your investment. And the NASDAQ is now at 1483, whereas it was 1484 on Inaguration Day.

And from all of you: crickets.

What lessons can we learn? On the one hand, we could say that since conservatives insisted that the drop in the stock market was Obama's fault, then its recovery must be to his credit.

On the other hand, some of you could have the courage to step up and say "well, no really, what was being said a few weeks ago was absolute rubbish."

Let's recap a few posts from earlier this month - these were just the one I could find quickly, and I made no attempt to find any of the numerous follow-up comments that blamed Obama for the collapse of their 401Ks. (when IS this site going to get a decent search function????)

Mick Stockinger 03/05

a no confidence vote by the financial markets.

ddemilo, 03/03

Obama says he won't base policy on the "gyrations" of the financial markets.

Fair statement, but it only proves Cramer's point: There is no gyration in the markets; it is a freefall collapse. Were that we were seeing gyrations! Two and three hundred point drops wouldn't be so troubling. But the decline, since the election and inauguration, has been steady and strong, especially after Obama policy pronoundements.

If capital is indeed on strike, and stays on strike, Obama's confident words this morning about a 2009 recovery ("I'm certain of it") will come back to haunt him, just as John McCain was quickly haunted by his statement that the fundamentals of our economy are sound. It will be no satisfaction to see, given the suffering that is being inflicted.

idaho conservative, 3/03

Obama's in trouble. If somebody doesn't start investing, if somebody doesn't start making money, and the time for making profits doesn't come in the next few years, America's recovery will come eventually. Obama just won't be the one to preside over it.

ironman 03/02

[The Dow] is poised to open below 7,000 today and few think we've seen the hard bottom quite yet. The Democratic Party had an opportunity to bring in a fresh legislative team to deal with this problem and we had an obligation to the public to force this to happen. The results are rather obvious. I won't belabor the deficiencies in Obama and Geithner's decisions to date; but if there was an opportunity to change market confidence; this opportunity was lost. And replacing the failed Congressional "leaders" would have played a huge role.  There is no confidence in the economy at present; and the erratic behavior of Dodd and Frank have made matters worse. And will continue to do so for the foreseeable future.

I will close with a quote from Nate Silver:

Yes, this is a stupid way to look at the stock market (that's the whole point).

 

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Tell Nate to go back to baseball

The Nazzie was @ 1780 when his guy won the election. Get back to us when it crosses back over that threshold by something resembling a material amount.   

And it was at 3,231 election day 2000

And it was at 3,231 on election day 2000

Thank you for proving Nate's point.

You mean Nate was attacking Clinton over the tech bubble?

since it had been at 4580 in March of that year and was plummetting on election day?

On a more understandable point, gas prices are edging over $2/ gallon again.  Then again, all you guys ride bikes so you won;t notice. 

BTW, since NRN, you admit you aren't making any money at your business aren;t you even less qualified than Jim Cramer to be offering economic advice these days?

It dropped another 33%

It dropped another 33% between election day and March, 2001 - are you really sure you want to keep playing this game?

As for your final question - by your metric, I guess the guys we should all be listening to right now are the AIG bonus recipients.

 

at least they are paying some taxes

Maybe 90% federal and 80% state. I dunno how one can be in the 170% tax bracket, but that's going to be for the courts to figure out.

You know NRN, I earn a living before I start blogging. Now there's a concept you might want to consider.

BTW, the response to the tech bubble bust was for Bush to cut taxes. And guess what, after they were cut the Nazzie starting it's recovery. Maybe he should have raised taxes so the market could have gone down further.

The more your go on

the more you prove the point.

which is...

you have no point.

yay inflation! we all love inflation!

everybody print fucking moeny all the time!

will solve ALL our problems!

Debt Debt who's got the debt?

Bagholders FAIL

but nobody cares.

writer's guild strike made certain writers rich.

yay unintended consequences of reading Calculated risk.

you do watch the daily show, right? ;-)

PetroContango me to the bank, sucker.

when I rent a car, I get free gas.

third story living is hell on owning a bike (I walk miles to the store. also, sometimes see nfl coach on the way)

One other point: Who DOES have confidence in Geithner?

On 3/2 I said a) no one has confidence in Geithner, Dodd, or Frank and b) we hadn;t hit a "hard bottom" in stocks.

IIRC the Dow did drop another 500 points from that point forward. And I will await evidence the aforementioned folks are instilling confidence in anyone; since neither Dodd or Geithner can even lie properly.

Let's see if old Nate walked off the mound without getting the third strike 

Stocks fell on Thursday on concerns that the Federal Reserve's latest efforts to stem the U.S. recession are too costly and untested, prompting investors to book profits on bank shares after the recent sharp rally.

Investors were unsettled by the implications of the Fed's action to pump another $1 trillion into the financial system and a plan to expand its consumer and small business lending program, fearing the moves could stir up inflation in the long term.

Go flame Reuters, not me.

 

The market is up again this morning

The market is up again this morning. If we adapt your reasoning, we have to say that is becasue the traders liked what they saw on Leno last night and are therefore bidding up stocks as a vote of "confidence".

Those dang stats!

Just when you think you have a good meme going, some stat jumps up to tear it down.  Oh, and the types like Nate Silver who poke holes in the meme with them, can't they all just go away?  If they'd just go back to something else, the unwashed masses would never figure out that the meme was meaningless.

But don't despair, Ironman -- the market measures are bound to trend down again at some point (like today).  Then you can safely go back to assuring us it means the market has lost all confidence and will continue to tank for the foreseeable future, until such time as it doesn't.  (Wash, rinse, repeat...)

Whether I have confidence isn't that important

We all oughta be worrying about Premier Wen.

China inoculates itself against dollar collapse

There is mounting evidence that China's central bank is undertaking the process of divesting itself of longer-dated US Treasuries in favor of shorter-dated ones

Go ahead, double the national debt, see if it works.

Hey, maybe Obama will ask Leno tonght for advice on monetary policy

well, yes. the fed reserve doesn't have unlimited ammo

it's price supporting the shorter term treasuries.

It's also printing money like crazy.

It truly is a bad time to be China or Japan.

The only way China stops us is to go to war. (whether they lean on us to give them free money, is a different story. can we say "new stimulus to consumers"?)