Hillary for VP or Hillary '12?

With Hillary Clinton's impending exit from the race, conventional wisdom has it that she's touting her supposed popular vote advantage to muscle her way onto the Obama ticket.

I don't buy it.

Even if Obama wins, VP would be a dead end for Hillary. If Obama loses, Hillary will be remembered as the candidate who lost both the nomination and during the general, just like John Edwards. If Obama wins, the first opportunity Hillary has to run again is in 2016, at age 69... 24 years after her husband was first elected.

I think most in the Democratic and Republican parties, as well as those in the Fourth Estate, would heartily agree that we need Hillary '16 like we need a hole in the head.

Hillary '12 might still be manageable if Obama loses and by a not insignificant margin, validating the Hillary '08 narrative. She could come back and say, "I told you so... and oh, by the way, I won the popular vote." The Clintons have probably internalized the Obama unelectability narrative more than any human beings alive. Why add insult to injury with a losing VP bid when HRC could easily assume the mantle of "lion of the Senate" from Ted Kennedy? Or, even, perhaps, run in 2012? 

Still, Hillary 2012 is unlikely, just as Gore 2004 and Gore 2008 were. If Obama disappoints, they'll probably revert to some safe boring white guy four years hence.

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Clinton isn't going to sit in

Clinton isn't going to sit in obscurity for the next 4-8 years, playing second fiddle to some young guy that she sees as having stolen the nomination. I wouldn't put it past her to, shall we say, "less than help Obama".
 

If he loses in November, she can give the party a "I told 'ya so." That could give her an opening for '12.

The ONLY reason. . .

. . .I can think of that Hillary would want to be the VP choice is that it would give her a great opportunity to completely destroy his campaign in October, leaving her an opening in 2012.

Hillary as runningmate would

Hillary as runningmate would serve neither Hillary's nor Obama's interest.

She's totally hoping for an "I told you so moment." She may well get one, too, with the help of her very (very) loyal supporters. Perhaps she and Gore will run together in 12 on a "should-a-been" ticket.

I Agree

"Hillary as runningmate would serve neither Hillary's nor Obama's interest."

Correct. It makes Hillary obscure and only adds baggage for Obama.

keehee

...only adds baggage

There's a joke in there that i"m just not going to make. I'm just not going to do it. Really I'm not.

She can run in 2012.

The way things are going, she'll be able to run as a Republican by then.

 

And so, like the prodigal

And so, like the prodigal daughter, she returns to her party.

Czarina

She is taking this all the way into the Convention and if she doesn't get what she feels she is entitled to, she will be sure to torpedo Barack.

 

The talk about ther bowing out is a ploy for sympathy.  Never underestimate the Clintonostra.

agree completely

If you think the plane is going to crash, you don;t want to be anywhere near the cockpit

Thinking back, the last VP on a losing ticket to get the Presidential nomination was.......Dole in '96.....twenty years after serving as Ford's running mate. Hillary can;t wait for the wheel to spin slowly back to her position at her tage of her career .

Besides there is enough chatter about some secret weapon against Obama (alleged rant tape by Mrs. Obama; Rezko cutting a deal with Fitz to nail Blago and Barack)  that I don;t think Hilary has hocked the Chappaqua mansion based on irrational exuberance

Remember 1992?

The only Narrative that works for Mrs. Clinton right now is a comeback struggle against "The Twelve Years of Bush-McCain".

Even if Honest John wins this year, 2012 is going to be a really bad atmosphere for us. People are really going to want to hand the reins of power to the Democrats, any Democrat. 

We'll have trouble running Jesus the Christ against Heinrich Himmler in 2012. The Democrats could run a Josef Mengele/Charles Manson ticket and win forty states. If you think people are exhausted with the Republican Party now, wait until 2012.

This argues for keeping hot prospects like Bobby Jindal out of the line of fire and not spoiling him too early. But I digress. Hillary Clinton will not fail to endorse Obama this year, and she will campaign for him. It's the only way she can become Majority Leader.

Using the Majority Leader's post, Hillary can bring forward Potemkin Village legislation that McCain would be forced to veto but that she could campaign on. She could also use that post to reestablish the control over the Party apparatus that she has lost to Obama's Guevarist faction.

Vice-President is merely a halfway house to the Burial Ground that Barack has planned for her: SCOTUS. She'll never take it, and Barack's people, I don't think, will want to make a serious offer-given Bill's hijinks.

Close

Why should she take VP or Majority Leaders when she can simply ask to be the next Supreme Court nominee? 

She bows out gracefully, hangs around the Senate for another year or two ,and then when a seat comes open she gets it and gets to make her mark for the next 25-30 years.

Obviously not as history making as being the first female president but potentially having much more of a long term impact on the country, which when you get down to it is what she really wants. 

Bill was the publicity hound, she is for something that is much more important--making court decisions that, given the reluctance of one SC to overturn the decision of another, will last forever.

Power is Her Game

Power has always been her Game. That's why the Presidency is the only thing that matters to Her.

In her eyes, a seat on the SCOTUS has to be small beer.

Other than a JD and American

Other than a JD and American citizenship, I don't think she has the qualifications generally required of a Justice.

She says today she will do "whatever it takes" to put a Democrat in office in November. I assume that means she'll take the VP slot if it's forced upon her, though I doubt very much the DNC would want that ticket.

Granted

"Other than a JD and American citizenship, I don't think she has the qualifications generally required of a Justice."

You know that, and I know that, but what Democrat senator who wants to stay in office will ever vote against confirming her?

I can't see her as VP candidate.  If Obama wins, she has to wait around 8 years and do nothing as President of the Senate.  If he loses people will likely say she really wasn't trying.

I say she stays in the Senate and hangs around to have a true legacy of being a SC justice. 

First female CHIEF justice perhaps?   Not the prestige of being president, but still not that bad.

Re: Buying it

With Hillary Clinton's impending exit from the race, conventional wisdom has it that she's touting her supposed popular vote advantage to muscle her way onto the Obama ticket.

I don't buy it.

I think we have to buy it. She's just told New York lawmakers that she's "open" to the VP spot.

Mark Warner is the 2012 Nominee

Whether Hillary's on the ticket or not, if Obama loses, I'm betting the next nominee is Warner - white, male, Southern, self-funding, red-stater with executive & business experience and by then a safe Senate seat, and will try to play himself as comparatively moderate.  Don't think Warner hasn't game-planned that out since the day he dropped out of the 2008 cage match.

I agree that VP makes little sense for Hillary, and is probably a bad long-term idea for Obama.  Then again, she may be bored with the Senate and see this as her ticket to the history books.  You would have said the same thing about Lyndon Johnson in 1960.

Hillary is as neither nor!

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Normal 0 I’ll go

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I’ll go for the candidate who can be an instrument to spearhead in mitigating the primary crisis that is suffered by most. Unemployment is such a lousy condition that most people would rather endure infectious disease before enduring unemployment.  It makes all kinds of things far worse than they used to be, such as late fees or real estate taxes.   You can't even get a payday loan if you're collecting unemployment insurance.  You may even have to take an unplanned vacation to find another job.  It is never pleasant to contemplate, worse to endure.  The numbers of those afflicted are becoming pandemic, and it includes the kind of people you'd never suspect – lawyers, nurses, teachers, police officers, firemen, normally stable and noble careers are susceptible. Let's hope the debt relief from the stimulus can reverse the unemployment trend.

 

She is taking this all the

She is taking this all the way into the Convention and if she doesn't get what she feels she is entitled to, she will be sure to torpedo Barack.

 

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Using the Majority Leader's

Using the Majority Leader's post, Hillary can bring forward Potemkin Village legislation that McCain would be forced to veto but that she could campaign on. I’ll go for the candidate who can be an instrument to spearhead in mitigating the primary crisis that is suffered by most after a break up. I agree that VP makes little sense for Hillary, and is probably a bad long-term idea for Obama.