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How McCain's Website Can Beat Obama By Becoming a Platform

Barack Obama's Internet operation is beginning to resemble a mid-sized tech startup with 8 figures of Sand Hill Road money more than it is a political campaign. The Obama Internet team hit the ground running with ten staffers in February 2007, including Facebook co-founder Chris Hughes. Don't be surprised to see them recruit more tech and data geeks for the general, including former Clintonistas and from Silicon Valley.
Their raw work product -- even beyond the stunning online fundraising results -- is impressive. One of my hobbies since January has been taking screengrabs of every interesting new page or feature on the candidate websites and posting them to my Flickr account. The threshold for inclusion was simple: pages that in my experience as an online staffer took more than a few man-hours to produce. This is a living archive, even the deep-linked pages 5 or 6 levels down, that will go on long after the sites are taken down or redesigned.
The level of detail on the Obama site is nothing short of phenomenal. You've got individual microsites built for Pennsylvania Neighborhood Teams, West Virginia Faith Captains, Oregon Community Organizers This is not stuff plopped in off some template, but stuff that only a large team can produce.
John McCain is never going to have the resources to do this kind of deep dive on his website. But he doesn't have to.
One of the lessons of Web 2.0 is that if you providing the right tools, the developer community and even ordinary fans can build it for you. The vast majority of activity on Twitter, the recently overwhelmed microblogging service, occurs beyond Twitter.com. That's because Twitter opened up an Application programming interface (or API) to allow external applications to leverage Twitter data and login information. Facebook's Platform is a more mainstream example.
To get the most bang for its online buck, the McCain campaign should be the first political campaign in history to release a website API.
What can an API do for the McCain campaign?
A McCain API would allow developers to leverage JohnMcCain.com data -- including everything from news feeds, user information, login access, and donation statistics -- to create mashups and recruitment tools the campaign doesn't have the time or resources to create on its own.
Take a real life example. Many have commented on the lameness of McCainSpace -- the site's faux social network. To create a fully featured social network with five months left to go would be cost prohibitive and pointless -- if the campaign did it.
But given access to the right information, a developer could quickly bootstrap their own social network of McCain website users (or just the useful features -- Groups and Events). Or better yet, mash up the McCain API with Ning or a Facebook application to allow supporters to broadcast their activities on JohnMcCain.com to their real social network. How great would it be if my Facebook news feed could update with "Patrick Ruffini has just contributed to John McCain" or "Patrick Ruffini has just recruited XXX as a McCain supporter"? Or to automatically share your JohnMcCain.com activity stream -- including signups, donations, petition signatures, and recruitment actions, with a preset list of address book contacts?
I could see a few different pieces to a McCain API...
McCain Contacts API
The McCain Contacts API would allow user lookups in a secure and limited manner. Type in a ZIP code, and get the 25 or 50 supporters closest to you. Or upload your address book, and see who else on your list is signed up on JohnMcCain.com so you can make a connection and create a mutually reinforcing circle of support.
Geocoding would enable a the creation of a user generated campaign events application. The Party for the President tool was one of the most successful things we did on the Bush website -- generating over 30,000 house parties created online with 500,000 attendees. Better still, these numbers beat anything the Kerry campaign did, speaking perhaps to conservatives' desire to gather socially in offline settings.
Perhaps because the McCain operation has been relatively small through the primaries, we haven't seen a tool like this brought back. But an external developer could do it for them. And in many ways it could be better. The central campaign organization will never be fully aware of every sign waving or 1-4pm volunteer shift at the local county headquarters to post on the website. But the crowd could be. And, acting independently, they could create a clearinghouse for all Republican campaign activity in the country, and leverage tiny bits of the McCain/RNC database to drive supporters to these events at a hyperlocal level.
Naturally, user lookups would have to be throttled to prevent mass downloads. E-mail addresses could never be visible through the API. If you want to contact someone, you have to go through a web form like Facebook, or have the application do it automatically. Lookups could be metered by IP address or API key.
McCain Actions API
Record every action you take as a registered user JohnMcCain.com and have this made available an XML feed that can be repurposed for blog widgets, email, or social networks. Use this to create a viral recruitment component to every action. If I choose to share the fact that I signed the petition asking Obama to go to Iraq, I get credit for anyone who clicks the link back and signs. "Patrick Ruffini signed the Obama petition and got 30 people to click through and 15 to sign." The McCain campaign would not necessarily need to spend time building the front-end interface to document this activity -- just provide the parameters to users to report back on a successful viral action. Nice URLs like this would give me all the information I need to know: JohnMcCain.com/Petition/ObamaIraq?recruiterid=3653431&recipid=14253943.
McCain Donations API
The first example of a candidate (unintentionally) providing API-like functionality to its supporters was the live feed of Ron Paul donors that fueled the moneybombs. The Paul campaign had a Flash graphic on their homepage showing up-to-the-minute fundraising totals and the latest number of donors. In Flash, data like this is passed through an XML file -- the same sort of files that powers RSS feeds. This file can be grabbed periodically and its contents stuffed into a database. RonPaulGraphs.com sniffed out this XML file through a view source on Paul's homepage, and the result was unprecedented minute-by-minute visibility into Paul's fundraising operation.
Only with this level of minute transparency could the moneybombs have happened. Supporters could instantly see in early October that Paul was far off the pace. Instead of getting discouraged by a poor result, they were galvanized the help Paul catch up and then some, organizing the Guy Fawkes Day moneybomb, then Tea Party '08.
I've discussed before how similar visibility into McCain's fundraising data would create a rallying effect among supporters. Instead of endless emails hawking high-end swag, the campaign could fundraise more efficiently by turning internal fundraising statistics into a piece of content supporters could congregate around and remix. A live donations feed could help do that.
Is it secure?
Obviously, the highest level of security would have to surround something like this. Applications could take limited downloads of the McCain data but could not modify it. Huge downloads would be prohibited. Like Facebook, apps would undergo an approval process. Pre-approval, data feeds would be sandboxed so you could only test with fake user or actions data.
In general though, APIs can enhance web security by creating a structured interface for querying the contents of a database. API developers ultimately control how and why their data gets used.
Who would use it?
The GOP doesn't exactly have a surplus of talented coder geeks. So who would use something like this?
Perhaps the most fruitful use would actually be from developers or firms close to the campaign. In other words, it could be more of an internal tool than an external tool. Contractors would not have to share massive, dated Excel files anymore. Trusted developers could be given access beyond the 25, 50, or 100 record limits. Allied firms could create web apps on top of JohnMcCain.com -- either commissioned by headquarers, regional organizations, or for demonstration purposes. And for anyone who works in the technopolitical space, the opportunity to play with a Presidential campaign data, even a small sliver of it, is one you don't pass up.
Just beyond this is are the commercial firms that try and sell in the political space. They could use apps built on this data as a real-world proof of concept to skeptical buyers.
But the most compelling use could be some sort of contest for allied or grassroots developers to get your application featured or integrated on JohnMcCain.com, with some sort of financial reward or buyout. Also, developers could be required to place a McCain donation link on their apps -- with the developer getting a cut.
What it means
We've heard often that campaigns can no longer control their message. The successful ones get a cacophony of supporters talking about the candidate, and then sell that story to the media. Obama's crowds, more than his message, are the story.
APIs are a logical extension of that trend. The message is devolving to the users. And so too will the infrastructure used to deliver that message. People are building viral support networks on Facebook, Twitter, and all sorts of social networks. There is currently no way to fuse that activity with actions on an official campaign site. Someone joining a McCain Facebook group is opaque to the campaign. This goes a ways towards solving that problem.
I want to get this out there because I think Obama will do something like this before the campaign is over. And maybe there's a small window for Republicans to get ahead of it.
- Patrick Ruffini's blog
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Comments
Great idea
A great antidote to the stupid American Conservative Union attempt to shut down a Facebook group that supported their organization.
I donated money through the McCain website, and it was painless secure process. I noticed that you can customize your page depending on whether you are a supporter or undecided.
UhOH!
That Davidfarrar guy is gonna be Pissed! at you.
Cut the Jargon
How about presenting these ideas in a manner that does not rely on marketing or internet jargon? Other than some of my youger geek type friends, no one I know will understand most of what you have written here -- and neither can I. Those of us who you are aiming this at can not understand the specifics of what you are saying. I'm 45 and I know of no one who has used or would know how to use Twitter, for example, who is near my age.
How about taking the above and explaining it in normal language?
@ Stevetn
Hi Steve (from TN? I love TN!), I'll be back to explain Patrick's ingenious strategy in everyday terms as soon as I feed the critters.
Patrick's Strategy IPE (In Plain English)
Barack Obama’s campaign has the resources and leadership similar to what we would expect to see in a dot com giant like Amazon, Google, Yahoo, etc. Many computer programmers and web developers are Democrats, and will be easily recruited by young high-tech innovators such as Chris Hughes, who helped launch the social networking phenomenon. Sites like Facebook and MySpace are particularly attractive to younger voters, who use them to share diaries, photos, videos and chat with each other.
Note to Patrick: we think of these sites as providing much richer content than text messaging, but next gen cell phone technology is providing the same content on your phone as is currently available on your laptop. So heads up.
The goal for the type of social networking Patrick talks about is political action rather than merely socializing and posting photos and videos of your friends, kids, dogs or company picnic. It is very serious business and its application for political action is currently dominated by Democrats.
Instead of having pay rent for brick and mortar offices with staff who require salaries, desks, fax/phone/computer equipment and its associated infrastructure, Internet sites can be used as virtual campaign headquarters with unpaid volunteers (like us) who already have all the equipment and infrastructure in place to create, print, and email candidate information, invitations to events, flyers, posters, you-name-it, to a network of “friends” that can number in the hundreds of thousands.
The “viral” aspect of this is similar to that game “6 Degrees of Kevin Bacon”, where you know a friend from college who knows a stock broker who knows a stunt man who knows Kevin Bacon. One of the risks that the Obama campaign has already encountered is that if you alienate one of your activists, they can pick up their toys and their “friends” and leave – taking a potentially huge chunk of participants with them.
Patrick has been capturing screen shots of opponents’ web content that appeared to be professionally developed to his Flickr account (Flickr is a photo/video management site like PhotoBucket or Picasa). These document the level of detail to which the long arm of the candidate websites reaches out into small neighborhoods, churches, schools and other sub-groups who have boots on the ground to bring people together in person and manually get out votes on Election Day. In other words, for Democrats, linking candidates to community activists is very granular, personal and real whereas for John McCain it’s too high-level to be very effective.
Patrick is recommending that conservative website developers work smarter instead of harder by using better tools like application programming interfaces which allow functions to be “called” instead of having to code the whole thing yourself. In the programming language Java, for example, you don’t need to write the code yourself to print a document to your printer. You just need to know what information is needed by the function that already contains the print code – just like I don’t have to walk over to your house every time I want to talk to you, I just need to know your phone number or email address. In this parlance, you pass the literal value “555-5555” to the variable “phone_num”, where “phone_num” would be a parameter that triggers the entire phone calling process without you having to know anything about how it works.
Sending and receiving information then becomes plug and play – plug in information from the McCain site to your site and vice-versa, including campaign contribution and in-person (i.e. election party) events. Then like 6 Degrees of Kevin Bacon, data is transferred from McCain’s site to Patrick’s site to my site to your site like a “virus”. A good virus, hopefully. But naturally there are risks involved any time you pass data on public web servers. There are hostile viruses that can potentially be transmitted, and there is also a potential loss of anonymity. Remembering how Democrat thugs keyed cars and attacked property of Bush/Cheney supporters in 2004, I would not voluntarily provide my real identity, home or work address to anyone online – but happily, there are probably millions of younger voters who don’t share my concerns.
HTH,
Reb
Thanks for the translation!
Ok, i grok that. One thing I didn't see explicitly addressed was pushing that content to those of us that use the internet, even web2.0 stuff, in a manner we can use (ie, KNOW how to use). For instance, I blog a bit and use third party content (youtube, amazon, etc...) and all of it is very user friendly in that they provide the step by step "do this and this" to get their content on my blog -- and they do it in a language old fogies like me understand.
Here's an example of the disconnect: I never understood what "viral" meant on this subject until your explanation. If content is offered, it will have to be in a language everyone can use to be effective. Here's another: I didn't know what web2.0 was until after I had been blogging for a year.
I guess my point is that when the realization of this blog entry's goals are met they need to be in a tech nuetral language. Obama's core gets this stuff, McCain's does not (nor did Clinton's). We need the "want this? do this" type offerings.
Smart
This is a really good idea. I am 26 and try to do my best to get caught up on all the new formats for sociallizing and networking. I know there are people like me that would love to try and contribute in this type of way to a campaign but have no venue ... but hopefully will soon.
No one person uses all forms of communication, but the idea is to throw enough out there to where people can pick and choose the formats that they like. Then these different formats will talk to each other without the individual person having to worry about doing it themselves.
It's digital logistics! And just like how business try to emulate Walmart and their innovations, we should pick and choose what's already been battle tested so we can catch and surpass the one ahead.
@ Patrick
Great strategy! In addition to established professionals, are you pointing this strategy toward Young Republicans on college campuses who possess conservative values along with web developer skills? I would target that demographic asap.
Patrick-- Love ya Bro But...
... a platform for what exactly?
What story are we supposed to be selling here? McCain the Maverick? McCain the reformer? McCain the sell out? McCain the Uniter? McCain -- Liberal light? McCain -- conservative champion that will knife you at every turn? McCain -- I hold all of your values except for these these and these?Not bashing here but what gives???
This stategery is awesome if you have a coherent item to sell... so far we don't!!!
I think the goal in the short run is to nail down the platform of which we're to be selling? Don't you??? So far.......................... nadda!!!
BTW
only when the message is clear can we do all of the great things proposed within
But what do I know?
API Can't Replace Message
Steven, the reasons for a McCain Presidency have to be provided by the campaign itself. Team McCain needs to offer a message than resonates with voters to get them to act. Patrick's idea simply offers conservatives to push and organize better online. A campaign API, like any technology, can't replace a persuasive message.
Sean
Believe me I get it... hence the "This stategery is awesome if you have a coherent item to sell" I think I was just making the point that without a coherent, well defined message, this will be all but for not.
Steven Foley is, of course, correct.
As I have previously pointed out here in this forum, the Internet is a powerful communicative tool. And just like any tool, it has the power to do much good if use correctly, but also much harm if used incorrectly.
If the Internet is used to promote some kind of hybrid "Liberal-Rational" Republicanism, it will only serve to galvanize the party faithful to split from the party.
The Internet is at its core a directive tool. It can direct power efficiently and effectively, but it can't generate power, for that we need people motivated enough to participate. I use for my example the Ron Paul web effort.
ex animo
davidfarrar
Jittery Meerkat
So I wonder who you would feel comfortable suggesting that we the new readers of 'TheNextRight' should cast our votes for?
Wouldn't be Ron Paul would it? How about the Republican Nominee,McCain?
Of course McCain -- don't be obtuse...
..this is about selling the message online, not who to vote for!
Nice try voting for RP anyway voting is over!
Selling the message
As Joseph Goebbels once observed about selling the message: "“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it."
A clear message is important, but it is not the most important component in"selling" the message. I am afraid far too many of the political elite believe in Goebbels' observation.
As I have pointed out, in terms of ushering in a true fiscal conservative ideology, we must first stop supporting Republicans who don't share those values and allow the opposition to sell our message for us to the public, while we party-build.
ex animo
davidfarrar
I agree and have been...
...calling for this for years at my site - www.theminorityreportblog.com/ as well as Red State!
"How about the Republican Nominee,McCain?"
I was under the impression that this was a right-wing web site, not a Republican party web site. You know, from the name, "The NextRight"?
If it's going to be just another neoliberal site cheerleading for whatever statist nonsense the GOP happens to be pushing today, then the mission statement needs to be corrected to reflect that.
"Jittery Meerkat"
Now there's a persuasive argument. I bet in real life you're a poli-sci professor.
One thing technology will never change
American political history is replete with politicians who embraced new technology or media and translated it to political success, but one common thread is that the candidate has to inspire people to be passionate about his candidacy, or no technological or tactical brilliance will help him.
Andrew Jackson pioneered the use of newspapers, but would he have been successful but for his Battle of New Orleans fame? Would FDR's use of radio have succeeded without a New Deal (policy merits or lack thereof aside) to address anxiety over the Great Depression? Would JFK's use of television have succeeded if he were ugly or a lousy speaker? Would barackobama.com have accomplished anything if he didn't have the level of excitement generated by great messaging and his 2004 convention speech?
As some know, I was involved with Jim Gilmore's furtive presidential campaign, and we actually did some interesting things online (gilmoreforpresident.com had a social network with measurable supporter fundraising and fundraiser incentives), but it all went unnoticed and barely raised a dime because the candidacy didn't excite anyone.
To be fair, McCain's image as a straight talker has inspired a certain segment of followers, but in 2008 the message is weak and there is an excitement gap. Let's be honest: a lot of McCain supporters are with him because he's the nominee, or because they oppose Barack Obama, not because of their unqualified belief that John McCain and no other MUST be president. Some of his problems online stem from this.
The greatest tools in the world won't help you if nobody really and truly wants to use them. That's not to take away from Patrick's excellent post. McCain may just not be the guy to do it.
Great point, Tom. Honestly,
Great point, Tom. Honestly, your comment really merits its own blog post.
Thanks. I'll leave that to
Thanks. I'll leave that to the mods.
Yes, Tom
You get it. Excellent analysis of candidates' use of technology throughout history.
It is ironic that the GOP is using Hillary's dismissal of Obama in her statement, "I think that I have a lifetime of experience that I will bring to the White House. I know Senator McCain has a lifetime of experience to the White House. And Senator Obama has a speech he gave in 2002," when that "insignificant little speech" contained the seminal messages which claunched** the success of his entire campaign because it reflects at least fifteen references to the core values of his base.
**claunched = "clinched" + "launched"
Heh.
REPUBLICAN CROSS-OVER** McCain is boring, I'm a Huckabee fan!
When it was apparent Huckabee was not going to win the Republican race, I decided to join the many Republicans who voted in the Democratic primary. Now before you start booing me read what I have to say. I felt the next best thing was to vote for O'Bama to keep another Clinton from heading to the White House. I also believe O'bama is smart enough to know he does not want the Clinton twins as Vice President. Can't you just see that picture! One thing I can say about O'bama is he is a leader.
Now it is way past the time McCain needs to start leading. I can not tell you one thing for certain about his stand on Abortion or Family values. From where I sit it appears that he has simply sat back and allowed the days to pass. I do believe he supports protecting our borders, and since I live in Texas that's great! I don't think I should have to dig to find these items out. O'bama is not afraid of the fight. McCain appears he's waiting to be hoisted up on our shoulders and carried over the finish line, but that's not going to cut it. McCain get busy! Make a stand, show some emotion, pick a fervent VP.
START LEADING, or you are going to be left behind.
Republican Cross-Over cont.
What I feel are core values:
Abortion is wrong. I believe we should focus instead on prevention. Why not make the birth control pill easier to get. Make it an over the counter product similar to alcohol and cigarettes, not with the same age restriction, but instead with a card to read and sign before purchased with main info and warnings. Then in package further info with large print on the label that says read before using.. What can be worse, think it will be misused? Think what toll abortions do on the female body, there's no age restriction on poisions, vitamins, herbal remedies or even gasoline but look what can be done with it.
Marriage is between a man and a woman.
Same sex couples can have a partnership.
Iraq? Personally I think another Hiroshima is tempting.
More later. Time for work.
Southern Redhead
Issues to be Solved:
So if you want to clarify the message
then why don't you start by stating what your core values are in my post What Are Your GOP Core Values?
Seriously, folks, if you're not interested in working through the process to create a clear and specific message and mission, then why bother to continue criticizing the lack of it? I'm frankly intrigued by the fact that Patrick's stated objective when he created The Next Right was "an online community for change-minded activists". Yet when I provide actual tools to help you all to create a strategy, my posts on strategic planning, executive sponsorship and goal setting are neither promoted, nor responded to.
I'm not sure whether you guys think that what I'm suggesting has no value, or whether you would just rather be pundits than solution providers, but if you could give me some feedback one way or the other, it would help me determine whether I'm actually in the right community or not. I really don't want to waste your time or mine.
Ta,
Reb
Maybe this will motivate us
Fixing the GOP brand
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/06/thinking_about_america...
We know capitalism is better than socialism but the kind of capitalism we've been promoting does not have the stable currency necessary for any economic system to succeed. Of course, the recent decline of the dollar is in evidence here. The article postulates the cause of the decline of the GOP as the decline of the dollar.
McCain needs to acknowledge this and put forward a SOUND economic plan. Not stimulas and price controls. Of course the problem is how do you sell good economics to an ignorant public.
From the "mission statement".
In Ruffini's first post here.
"Today, we're pleased to pull back the curtain on The Next Right. This launch may be a small milestone of sorts, but this site is far from a finished work. To the contrary, the work is just beginning. "
"There is general consensus that the right is at an inflection point. We face a series of unsustainable trends: the aging of our voter base, an ideological cupboard seemingly bare of big ideas, and a leadership class that is at best spinning its wheels. I won't sugarcoat it: the road ahead could be disastrous. "
"This site is the product of literally hundreds of offline conversations with some of the brightest young minds in the conservative movement. It grows out of a recognition that the road back can't be about a series of disjointed technologies, blogs, and pundits. It begins with telling a story about why we should lead. With advancing majoritarian ideas with real buy-in from the grassroots, not diktats from Washington policy shops. With revitalizing the Republican Party with real participation from the bottom up. The right needed a place online where these discussions could flourish, where a narrative about revitalizing the movement could congeal, and where smart new voices could assert a leadership role in a party at a crossroads. We hope The Next Right can be a small part of this ongoing dialogue. "
If this is actually going to be another "let's support Republicans, and not worry about what their actual policy positions are" style web site, then thanks, but I can find that elsewhere.
Thank you, Sandor
Spot-on. I'm already very concerned that we've seen the back of engaged next gen Republicans such as Lisa and thinkgra, and may lose others who are not McCain kool-aid drinkers. I still have significant issues with several McCain policies and lack of policies in what I think may be key areas. To me, the most important voters in this election are (a) the Republicans who don't, won't and/or can't support McCain, (b) conservative Democrats, Independents and Republicans who want to reform their government, and (c) our highly motivated opponents. I want to understand (a), support (b), and help develop strategies to compete with (c) based on participatory politics, not just a Rovian get-out-the-vote machine.
"telling a story about why we should lead" requires research, analysis, data gathering, polling, data mining, reporting, consensus and validation from voters, not the dictates of a small but vocal class of online pundits in an online war room. I do think Patrick is on to something, but for me, what's not being emphasized (yet) is eliciting and pulling information about what's important to voters in addition to pushing campaign propaganda out to them.
Thanks for the props, Rebel.
Thanks for the props, Rebel. I'd hate for it to get to the point where you're asking yourself "where are your Rebel friends now???" (Sorry, couldn't resist.) As for me, it takes a bit of work to run me off, but with the LSAT coming up I may be scare for awhile.
Nice quote from Vergil, btw.
You're far too trusting.
Dantooine is too remote to make an effective demonstration - but don't worry; we will deal with your Rebel friends soon enough.
heh. Good luck with those LSAT's!!
oops. That was supposed to
oops. That was supposed to say scarce, not scare. For some reason I can't edit.
Hoppe
You're the one who expressed an interest in Hoppe, right? Has your book arrived?
I ordered a used copy of Democracy: The God that Failed:
The Economics and Politics of Monarchy, Democracy, and Natural Order, by Hans-Hermann Hoppe, but it hasn't shipped yet. Free Republic has some excellent articles and resources on Hoppe, including his battles with the Thought Police at UNLV which are pretty timely considering what Hugh Hewitt has been reporting about what Mark Steyn is going through in a kangaroo court in Vancouver, BC. Interestingly, the Canadian court cited Free Republic as a source of distress in their thought crime case. Steyn's not an economist like Sanders and Hoppe, but the three cases are disturbingly similar.
I also ordered a used copy of Government's End by Jon Rausch. I thought that it was particularly relevant, given the discussions we're having here.
A quote from Col Jeff Cooper
seems appropriate here.
Who asks whether the enemy were defeated by strategy or valor?
- Virgil
Tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat. - Sun Tzu
"greater will to win"
Heh!
This is rather ironic coming from one of the folks who wants us to concede the upcoming election to Obama
Do us a favor, if you can;t summon up any enthusiasm for McCain, kindly tell us who this cycle we ought to be using our bandwidth to support ? I can get sour grapes at the Stop & Shop, thank you very much
Ironman, I think what Sandor and others of us
who do support McCain are saying is that works without faith is dead, or just getting out a vote without having a real conservative message to convey to voters is not what some (maybe a lot more than "some") Republicans are about. If you listen to the people out here who are sworn to uphold their values, they are saying they want to support down ballot candidates who uphold those same values.
Now for my purposes, if I could just document exactly what the hell those values are, that would be very useful to me. Let's start with you. What do you believe in? What will make you go to the polls and pull the lever?
I liked the bit about not wanting to go to New York with a geiger counter, btw. That's not a bad start.
"heh" yourself.
I want conservatism to win, Ironman. You don't want that.
kindly tell us who this cycle we ought to be using our bandwidth to support
Support conservatism. Support ideas, not people. Support the Constitution Party. Support the Libertrarian Party.
Anything, except this slavish devotion to John McCain, that embodiment of everything wrong with the GOP and the country. Somebody suggested on another thead what might be done, and you called him Robert E. Lee. Just admit that you don't want to change a single thing.
If you favor the defeat of Republicans
maybe you are wasting this site's bandwidth. I'm sure your cohorts eight years ago urging the Left to vote for Nader are real happy how that worked out.
You and your "Republicans"
stand for nothing except getting "Republicans" elected. That's not the mission statement of the site, so I'd say it is you who is wasting bandwidth.
just go back to your book club then
and we'll do the hard unpleasant work anyway
Which "hard unpleasant work" is that?
That's no way to talk about supporting your beloved RINO.
Presumably
if Obama only changed his party affiliation to "Republican", you'd insist we support him.
After all, it's vital that we all support Republicans, without asking any awkard questions about exactly what it is we're supporting.
Maybe you need a refill
since only someone medicated could say that
Hey, that's deep.
Is that the best "argument" you could come up with? I thought you were a lawyer. You're the one saying we must support the Republican, come what may. It's hardly "unmedicated" to point out the logic of your own words.
LOL. Hillary used to be a
LOL. Hillary used to be a Republican, did she not? Perhaps she'll re-register and we can take up her cause.
She was a Goldwater Girl
It's true, it's true. Here she is at Wellesley in 1969, right before she turned.
what I want
1. I want the government to keep me safe--from terrorists, foreign enemies and domestic criminals. I am more afraid of the people the government prosecutes than I am of the government. Therefore, I did not support Ron Paul.
2. I want a government that is solvent and does not tax the innards out of its citizens on pipe dreams that cannot work. I want the government to properly provide what they have already promised to provide before embarking on new ventures. Throwing me a check while the government is running a huge deficit, or trying the impress me with some nifty pork project ain;t the way to my heart.
3. I want a government that encourages sound economic policies, not business bashing ideology or creating irrational exuberance bubbles. We do not need a government that pays farmers in Iowa to produce ethanol while depriving itself of tax revenue from oil drilling offshore and in Alaska. I liked the line Alan Alda used in the "West Wing". "Politicians don;t create jobs. Businesses do. ".
4. I want a government that respects my values and does not impose political correctness or multiculturalism on the unwilling. Therefore, I do not support judicial legislation or open borders.
OK, it's a bit on the boring side. And Mac is certainly deficient on some of these points. But I don't elect people to office to provide entertainment and I know better than to expect perfection from candidates.
Great start, I-Man
This is what I'm on about. Now when you say "I want a government that respects my values", can you list those values briefly? For example:
...key words like that. That's what I need next.
Ta!
Reb