McCain-Lieberman '08

I've said it before, and I'll say it again. I don't mind Joe Lieberman that much, and feel myself getting a little excited with his name being floated so prominently at the 11th hour. I wouldn't want him picking SCOTUS nominees, but he'd be a game-changing pick to prevent the ascendancy of the Goracle of Obama.

To me, the VP process isn't about Joe Lieberman or whomever McCain selects. It's about McCain. Showing that he isn't afraid to roll the dice and throw long isn't a bad thing. As far as my vote goes, McCain's willingness to be bold would convert me from anti-Obama to an enthusiastically pro-McCain voter.

True, this wouldn't help with the base. But I have to ask: How could the base possibly be any more demoralized than it is now? McCain is not by nature a base-pleasing candidate, and he has shown no inclination of changing. Why not at least do something that would spark some organic interest and excitement in a McCain-led ticket -- even if it were more trans-partisan and anti-Obama than conservative?

The fact is it's probably not going to be possible to get conservative energy that is distinctly pro-McCain, but it is possible to get enthusiastic about the idea of beating Obama. Anything that would get McCain to a stable lead would do more to get conservatives excited than having an "acceptable" VP and the one of two days of accolades from elites that goes with it.

As I've said above, this is not an endorsement of Lieberman for president, though his judgment on foreign policy, 75% of the President's job, is impeccable. Nor is this a choice any conservative should want in an election we "should" win -- such as one that would come after a two-term Democratic administration.

But McCain is the underdog in this race. History favors an Obama victory, and he will probably have a 10-15 point lead after tonight. In that context, I like the idea of McCain rolling the dice, particularly if the alternatives -- KBH and Meg Whitman -- are just as demoralizing to the base and share none of the symbolic upside of Lieberman.

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How mad can the base get?

 LIberman gave $230,000 this election cycle to *democratic* candidates.  What an easy line for Obama's campaign  "Republican's are so corrupt McCain had to go outside his party to find a VP."

Lieberman is NEVER gonna happen.  

I don 't think Lieberman is going to happen, but

I respect him and I think that what your saying is geared towards the bigger picture.  Beating Obama is what is important. If we start to fall in love with McCain along the way, so be it. ;)

 

 

 

Re: How could the base possibly be any more demoralized ...

Trust me, it can get much, much worse.

If McCain thinks that independents, RINOs and Democrats will elect him then he should choose Lieberman.

I think he's smarter than that but he's proven me wrong about his common sense many times in the past.

 

Re: How could the base possibly be any more demoralized ...

Trust me, it can get much, much worse.

If McCain thinks that independents, RINOs and Democrats will elect him then he should choose Lieberman.

I think he's smarter than that but he's proven me wrong about his common sense many times in the past.

 

I so totally disagree!

Stop with the boys' club crap this year and give us a woman VP - now THAT is a game-changer.  Please, gentlemen.  Anyone else is just...blah-blah zzzzZZZzzzz. 

Romney!

 Please No.

 

Mitt Please.

The delegates should take charge

If McCain wants Lieberman as his running mate, then the Repubican delegates should take charge at the convention and refuse to approve the nomination of McCain.  McCain is a big enough of a mistake without the Party destroying idea of nominating Lieberman. 

If the delegates to the Republican Convention nominate a McCain-Lieberman ticket, the Republican Party will have decided to make itself irrelevant to politics.  McCain would stand a chance of losing all 50 states. Even the mormons in Utah probably could not bring themselves to vote for such a stupid mistake.

 

Dittos superduper

I agree with you!

It's time for the convention to have a say. They would have a duty to veto the Lieberman pick. I dont think they are bound by the primary rules on the VP selection.

All hell would break loose if McCain picked Joememtum.  That would make it a rockin' and rollin' convention indeed! There would be a revolt from the floor and Joementum would go down in flames, either in the convention or in november.  In the end it would be a bloody mess and we Republicans will have snatched defeat out of the jaws of victory.

Just Can't Endorse The Idea

I'm almost of the opinion that if we Republicans have to run someone as moderate/liberal as McCain, and also have to put a Democrat on the ticket just to beat an inexperienced, left-wing activist like Obama, then maybe it is better for our party and country just to hit rock bottom to restablish the Republican brand.  I think an Obama, Pelosi, Reid America would be frightening, but I doubt it would last very long, similar to 1992 when the Democrats shortly ran the country, and the Republicans came roaring back.

Don't get me wrong, I would vote for a McCain-Lieberman ticket, and I never think sitting out an election for spite is a mature or intelligent decision to make.  I'm a big-tent Republican that believes winning elections is a lot more important than idelogical purity, but I just think at some point you have to stand for something other than just beating an opponent.  If McCain's pick is just about winning, he should just go ahead and put Hillary on the ticket, and he'd win in a landslide.

I think McCain can win this election with even a milquetoast candidate like Pawlenty on the ticket, and I think he would destroy Obama if he put a woman like Palin on the ticket.

McCain is in much better shape than people realize, I'm of the opinion that it's McCain's election to lose.  My only concern is if our side will have the same turnout as it did in 2004.  I think it will as an anti-Obama vote rather than a pro-McCain vote, but with a Democrat on the ticket, however, that could really backfire on our side.

McCain-Lieberman ... no way!

I have a lot of respect for Mr. Ruffini, but disagree strongly.

I share the sentiment of most commenters here, and observe it as a common sentiment among the activists that ignite the base here in the metro Denver area. For one thing, a Lieberman pick would be terrible for GOTV & other volunteer efforts - and that would wound candidates down ticket in close races. Others have stated well what it would signify about the weakness and irrelevance of the GOP.

I would probably find myself looking very hard at voting for Bob Barr or another third-party candidate.

Besides, McCain-Lieberman sounds more like the name of some piece of government boondoggle legislation than it does a Republican presidential ticket.

This is right...

...and wouldn't it be nice to think that McCain might think of something bigger than himself and choose a VP who will drive the base to GOTV and help down-ticket Republicans.

I think McCain's going to lose. But no matter; what is equally important in my view is how big a hole will we dig ourselves in terms of Senate and House and state and local offices. If the base stays home, we will be in the minority for at least a couple of cycles.

Lieberman for VP = INSTANT LOSS

Another Harriet Miers moment. Lieberman is a down the line liberal Democrat, with ADA ratings in the teens. His liberal positions are at odds with Republicans.

Just when the GOP base has been calmed down after insult and injury piled upon eachother, many at the behest or with the agreement of McCain himself ... this would be a disaster that would make the Harriet Miers look like a picnic. McCain would INSTANTLY destroy the campaign momentum he's built up, INSTANTLY torpedo the gradual build of enthusiasm for him among the base, INSTANTLY revive the right-wing 'disgruntled' opponents ready to go 3rd party, INSTANTLY undermine his own claims and credibility on prolife. He would INSTANTLY lose a big portion of his GOP base.

INSTANT LOSS of the election. Say hello President Obama. And for what? If McCain wants Lieberman on his team, give him a cabinet position later.

I'm almost of the opinion that if we Republicans have to run someone as moderate/liberal as McCain, and also have to put a Democrat on the ticket just to beat an inexperienced, left-wing activist like Obama, then maybe it is better for our party and country just to hit rock bottom to restablish the Republican brand.

That's what most Republicans would think. They'd bail. I'd be on the edge too. If it werent our national security on the line, I'd think it too. I WOULD HOPE AND EXPECT AN OPEN REVOLT AT THE GOP CONVENTION IF LIEBERMAN WAS ANNOUNCED. THE GOP BASE WOULD REJECT IT SOUNDLY. AND WELL THEY SHOULD. IT'S AS ABSURD AS THE DEMS ANNOUNCING CHENEY FOR VP.

McCain is in much better shape than people realize, I'm of the opinion that it's McCain's election to lose.  My only concern is if our side will have the same turnout as it did in 2004.  I think it will as an anti-Obama vote rather than a pro-McCain vote, but with a Democrat on the ticket, however, that could really backfire on our side.

I agree 100%. McCain never really nailed down the conservative base for himself but instead got lucky by being the perfect nominee to defeat the left-liberal clown Obama. A liberal, moderate, or pro-choice VP undermines that message. Cantor, Pawlenty, Palin, Romney, Cox, Pence, Sanford, Blackburn. The more conserative the better for the base. Any of them would keep the base on board and help win the election. Romney helps in CO and NV and MI.

Obama hurt himself by making a choice that was not the best choice and was instantly questioned. If McCain makes a choice this dumb, he will lose and deservedly so.

I will give another name that is not a partisan Republican, but will give McCain an instant VICTORY as someone with high birpartisan support/respect: Colin Powell.

That's probably the only non-conservative-Republican that would go down well with the base.

 

 

Lieberman kills the socon base support

It's already on the wires,

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=5677195&page=1

A convention brawl, No issue ads, no volunteering, no votes.

Obama is a boogeyman, but not enough to scare social conservatives into voting for a pro-abort ticket.

He needs to forget that idea.. pronto.

In addition to the possible brawl at the convention, major conservative donors who have planned to bankroll issue-oriented advertising and other grass-roots efforts directed at social conservatives are putting their work on hold and will withdraw financial support if McCain picks a running mate that is not strongly anti-abortion, sources told ABC News.
 

 

and on the other hand, he would incite the netroots even further

Certainly here in CT he'd incite the lefties to even greater outrage and energy, and this could potentially blow back at some of our GOP legislative candidates around here

 

Lieberman is a dealbreaker for me.

As much as I admire Lieberman, and could see him in McCain's cabinet, he is the worst possible VP pick for McCain. As the ABC piece linked above noted:

One conservative strategist characterized the prospect of an abortion rights pick as a "disaster" for the Republican Party -- and said selecting Lieberman would cost McCain the election. It would enrage conservatives and prompt some Republicans to shift support to libertarian candidate Bob Barr, the strategist said.

I'd be one such Republican.

 

Lieberman Is a Pro-Union Dem

I have to echo the sentiments of those that think Lieberman would be a horrible choice.  He takes the standard liberal position on nearly every issue.  The only area where he is really at odds with the Dems is his proclivity for occupying other countries. 

Do you really want someone who cosponsored last year's card check legislation as the Republican VP nominee?

 

I agree...

...but Patrick seems to think that 75% of the President's job is foreign policy. Really? 75%? Really?

Maybe that's why we're in the spot we're in this cycle.

Normally, I would agree with the general sentiments stated...

...but Walt and Pat have changed my thinking on this one. Sure, I ain't saying a few of us fiscal conservatives wouldn't get our feathers ruffled, but hell's bells, man; we've got to get our boy elected.

If our boy McCain thinks Lieberman can get the job done, I say who the hell are we to question his judgement?

Now where is that cliff?

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