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Open Thread: Obama's Nomination Night
Submitted by Patrick Ruffini on Tue, 06/03/2008 - 20:11
Among the political events unfolding in the next few hours...
John McCain kicks off his general election campaign in New Orleans...
Obama moves over the magic number after primaries in South Dakota and Montana, teed up by today's round of superdelegate endorsements...
State primaries in Alabama, California, Iowa, New Jersey, and New Mexico in addition to the two presidential states. Marquee races are NM-SEN's Pearce vs. Wilson, CA-4's McClintock vs. Ose, and NJ-SEN's Lautenberg vs. Andrews...
Share your reactions to tonight's events in the comments.
And start working on how we beat this guy.


Comments
Hillary is delivering her
Hillary is delivering her non-concession now. She's projected to win South Dakota. That's a bit of a surprise.
I posted what I think McCain's strategy should be in Daniel Ruwe's blog.
For Hillary, this must feel as if last year's Phillies
watched the Mets finally win one game over the final weekend to just barely avoid throwing the pennant away
Visit HRC's website?
Hmmm... visit the website and tell her to go to the Convention?
"...and help in any way you
"...and help in any way you can..."
Did I just miss it or did she fail to even acknowledge Barack's delegate count?
And how did she forget to thank Rush Limbaugh?
I realize that might be unpopular ...
but I respect Hillary for fighting on. She didn't get blown out. That kind of fight and courage and commitment is what we need to see from the GOP future leaders.
It's interesting that she's soliciting opinions for what she should do next at HillaryClinton.com. This primary fight was clearly a lesson for her that the grassroots matter, the people matter. She learned the lesson that the grassroots, the netroots, a.k.a. real Americans matter. Too little, too late for her.
Let it not be for us in '12 or '16.
Mandy, I don't think it's a
Mandy, I don't think it's a matter of whether she did or did not fight the good fight. Her perseverance and tenacity are certainly admirable. It's more a matter of how she and her advisors waged the battle. It turned out to be very bitter and divisive for the party. There are ways she could have handled it that would have been more positive and less polarizing, IMO.
She's got to be fishing for VP
Is there any other explanation? This is extraordinary.
Is something going to fall?
<Clintons> "There's gotta be
<Clintons> "There's gotta be a shoe around here somewhere!"
Perhaps the now-infamous "whitey tape"?
I know there are good reasons for skepticism here, but now Bob Beckel and John Fund have both alluded to a BIG shoe dropping sometime soon.
I know Larry Johnson is a joke, and I know there isn't anything concrete on this yet, but perhaps this is why Hillary said what she did tonight. Who knows...
How many shoes?
there's got to be some bad oppo research that's not seen the light of day yet....I kept hearing today she was going to concede yet when I watched her speech live that never made the final cut....I don't think she's angling for VP...yes I know they are working on some petition but I think she'd rather be the martyr and look at 2012...the temptation to totally poison the well might be too great for them to resist
She ran a lot like Joe Lieberman in the '06 primary
starting with an ineffective boilerplate Democrat establishment message, then after she was embarassed, making a beeline for the working class roots of the party....just as Lieberman's general election campaign focused on lunchpail issues.
Unlike Lieberman, she was not liberated by partisan defeat to make a stand amongst the general electorate
TV desperately adapts
Watching CNN for a bit tonight, I noticed that their election night coverage now features their "political experts" in a war room-type setting, where they are placed behind computer monitors. They quote from the "breaking news" on the screen as they comment on the night's events.
It's a work in progress. Anderson Cooper looks awkward as he navigates from table to table of pundits soliciting their opinions.
Keep on the lookout for fumbled attempts by cable television to try to be as cool as the 'net.
Her supporters are loyal
I'm not sure. If her supporters have great allegiance to her, which they do now, more than they would have if she had dropped after Iowa, she has the ability to be a more transformative surrogate for Obama.
I think she will get behind him, and she will bring the majority of her supporters along, which will make their force historically challenging for Republicans.
Why tomorrow is a great day for McCain
Obama and the mess that is his democratic party in Illinois:
Tomorrow, Senator Obama's land deal laddy and political patron, Tony Rezko will find out how many of the 24 counts on which he was been tried, he will be convicted.
This is a major deal in Ilinois and is part of an ongoing series of trials against the Illinois democrat party that Obama leads. It's hard to make the case for change when your state party, and closest supporters are going to jail.
Illinois is a mess right now, and it's largely because of Senator Obama's cronies. The Governor, who is reportedly also on his way to court 6 years after being elected calling for change, now loses to a convicted GOP felon in a head to head matchup in a state that hasn't gone our way for POTUS in 20 years.
The political journalists that cover illinois politics have asked for months why our national party had not tried to tie obama to the 1.4 million people who have gone on welfare since he came to the state, these corruption cases or the fact that his mentor and patron, senator emil jones, is get this demanding a pay raise while he runs the most dysfunctional state government in the country.
As well, Senator Obama has a former collegue of his named Carol Ronen who recently earned a 38k a year state pension for, get this, spending 8 weeks working as an advisor to the governor. She now works for the obama campaign. ouch.
Finally there's this. In the hometown of the candidate that has called for change, and pledged to work with Republicans to get things done, more than 40 kids were killed at school this year in what became a major local story. What's most striking is that a couple of them happened the same month that Obama went to san fran to make those now famous gun comments while his staff did nothing. That alone begs the question as to the sincerity of his message as if the rest of the stories about his nefarious surroundings and indicted buddies did not.
Given that the democrats have used the president's misreble poll ratings on several issues against us now, I hope we can return the favor with the Senator's closest associates and work in Illinois.
WCBS reports Lautenburg beat Andrews
Wonder if the age issue mattered in that race, Certainly we need more 90somethings in the U.S. Senate
HillaryClinton.com Fails to Offer Much Insight
As soon as she pointed the audience to HillaryClinton.com in her speech, I fired up my laptop to find out if two things had happened:
She's just asking for donations and validation ("I'm proud of you Hillary, and I am proud of everything we're fighting for") at the moment. Of course you can comment and tell her to run as an Independent or just fight all the way to the convention. What would Rush do?
She did point out that out of 35 million votes, she won 18 million. Two thoughts on that. First and foremost, this is from April 13, 2008 (CNN Political Ticker):
And this is from Chris Wallace's interview with Howard Wolfson on Fox News Sunday, June 1, 2008:
What a great tradition. I definitely think they ought to keep it. The only thing worse than losing the White House in Novemer would be losing it to the neo-Marxist party candidate.
Clearly she's using that
Clearly she's using that comment form as some kind of petition. It's actually a smart move on her part, because if she had set up a poll or just a box for input, she'd have gotten negative input from the Obama supporters. But as it is you can't fill out the input box without signing that you're "with Hillary and proud of everything [she's] fighting for." So her feedback will be much more one-sided than it would have been otherwise.
Guess Who's Website Has All the Traffic?
If you guessed Larry Johnson's No Quarter, you win a free Starbucks macchiato grande. It took me 1.5 minutes to finally get in.
NRO's Campaign Spot says this about the whole kerfuffle:
That's all for now. Maybe more will be revealed, but it sounds pretty blah-blah so far.
Meanwhile, the Torchlight Parade marches past the Window
Hand it to Obama: a great show. Great speech.
However, there's this huge caudillo quotient to the Obama campaign. Obama's campaign is very personalist, very Latin American.
That's not native to the American political tradition. However, McCain has got to make a better case to the American people than he did tonight.
A New Candidate Emerges
Remember Next Right's call for web content spurred on that that creepy Soviet style poster of Barack Obama by Shepherd Fairey?
The Jawa Report has responded. Warning: this content is not for the squeamish Brent Bozell-types. This is hard core Right Wing Anteater Propaganda.
For your viewing pleasure, I bring you: Draft the Anteater.
In honor of tonight, the voices told me to include Vote Anteater '08 - "The Force" for "A New Hope"
If I get kicked off this site tonite for violating some kind of PC TOU agreement that I forgot I signed, then I want to go out kicking and screaming. Like Hillary.
I saw the opposite, actually.
I thought Obama's speech was more of the same. Platitudes, adoring fans who don't hear a word he says, and attacks/mischaracterisations of McCain's positions. Obviously, I'm biased as I'm a conservative, but that's what I saw. The "Yes we can" schtick is getting old, IMO.
McCain went right at Obama, and I thought it was a good speech that made a good case as to the differences between McCain's vision and Obama's for the country.
Well, you would have thought
Well, you would have thought tonight merited a new speech from Obama, but it was the same one he uses at every whistlestop, with just a couple of tweaks. That's why it sounded old and overrehearsed. He's been using it since January 2007.
Jersey GOP results
as per the Record
Dick Zimmer-Senate
Chris Myers--3rd District (Mt. Laurel/Toms River)
Leonard Lance -- 7th District (Summit/Somerville)
Those who know NJ let us know what this all means
CA CD-4 race results as of 817PM
5.2% ( 36 of 691 ) precincts
reporting as of Jun. 3, 2008, at 8:17 p.m.
McClintock up 53-39 with 18% in
http://vote.sos.ca.gov/Returns/usrep/04-all.htm
Learned from the recent specials not to read too much into early returns, though. Not many votes in from Sacramento County as of yet
Placer is the heartland of CA-4
Not sure how much there is in Sacramento, fwiw.
half the vote is being
half the vote is being reported in Sacramento County....
McClintock 369 50.5%
Ose 293 40%
Placer County 20.8% tallied
McClintock 12,871 53.4%
Ose 9,391 38.8%
Updated results
832PM 18% precincts reporting 125 out of 691
McClintock 21,138 53.5%
Ose 15,242 38.6%
For Anyone Holding Their Nose and Voting For McCain
Since I'm fair and balanced and I haven't been kicked off this thread yet, I'm going to show some love to all the conservatives who hate McCain even though, of course, I'm the token Classic Liberal Republican [sic] on the site who's completely in the tank for him. Heh.
Here's a link to the dyspeptic, disenchanted, disenfranchised conservatives liveblogging the McCain speech at Ace of Spades HQ. At least these guys have a great sense of irony that I personally find quite hilarious. These boys make Wonkette look like Shirley Temple. Sample:
Patrick, visiting this site may be worth the price of admission for you if only to check out Cover It Live, the free liveblogging software that we can use here next time. Hint-hint.
NM-SEN
Still very early and ALL of Bernalillo is in, but...
Pearce pulled ahead, 75% in
http://kob.com/kobtvImages/misc/race102.htm
It's about 1800 votes in his favor right now
82% in, Pearce opening up some space
52-48, margin up to 3500 votes
http://kob.com/kobtvImages/misc/race102.htm
Tightening a bit
87% in, Pearce margin down sligthly to 3000 votes... all depends where those last few precincts are from http://kob.com/kobtvImages/misc/race102.htm
First Up....
We need a song to celebrate this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEy8nN4k71Y&feature=related
Secondly, barring the sudden replacement of McCain; there has to be some differences between the two, preferably on something McCain hasn't flip-flopped on.
Club for Growth winning right now in their targeted races
They had endorsed McClintock and Pearce
Ose is Toast
So says KCRA (Sacramento): With 20 percent of precincts reporting, McClintock has 12,871 votes, or 53 percent of the vote, compared with main rival Doug Ose, who has 9,391 votes, or 38 percent of the vote.
I just have one question. What's with all the retired Lefty [Charlie Brown, Jim Webb, Wes Clark, etc.] military officers? I just don't get it. My dad must be rolling over in his grave.