While You Were at CPAC

In case you've been living in a cave or something, the left has lately gotten good at campaigns to delegitimize and destroy up-and-coming Republicans long before they have a chance at running for President.

For Sarah Palin, the nutroots-ginned-up stories ranged from the fabulist notion that she wasn't the mother of her own child or blowing up stories like questioning her role in the Bridge to Nowhere -- stories that to date generated little controversy even among her local enemies -- into national firestorms.

More often than not, the process goes something like this: a Daily Kos diarist posts something, which is then on Olbermann the next night. Pseudo-journalistic outfits like TPM start making phone calls, which gives the guys at Politico just enough cover to start get in on the action, making it an MSM story, embroling the targeted Republican and forcing them to respond. In Palin's case, sick Daily Kos rumors were given enough credence to precipitate the disclosure of her daughter's pregnancy, which itself became a pretty big national story.

The left's latest search-and-destroy mission is against Bobby Jindal, centering on the segment in Jindal's speech where he talked about commisserating with the late Sheriff Harry Lee about bureaucratic bungling in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina. 

It started with a Daily Kos diary shortly after Jindal wrapped up his speech on Tuesday night, the 24th.

This prompted Keith Olbermann to declare Jindal's story of talking to Sheriff Harry Lee "apparently not true" on the Wednesday night's broadcast.

By Thursday, a Zachary Roth piece in TPM Muckraker poured gasoline on the fire, keying off the original Daily Kos diary and adding in some Nexis searches. Roth calls the Governor's office to ask for comment.

On Thursday night, Erick Erickson is the first to push back in Jindal's defense, noting accounts from Sheriff Lee's deputies. There is also a YouTube video of Lee, at the time in question, recounting visits from Jindal.

By Friday morning, the story is all consumming. Politico's Ben Smith, going on Roth's TPM piece, is on the phone for multiple rounds with Jindal's office. That day, Roth files two more dispatches, again based on first-hand reporting.

 

In case you're expecting me to bemoan this as the birth of left-wing hack journalism, that's where I part company. This is exactly how an ideologically-oriented newsgathering operation / noise machine / echo chamber should work. The real threat here is not what all of you were booing in Tucker Carlson's speech at CPAC. The New York Times is merely marketing refined gasoline at the pump. The place where it's being drilled, refined, and transported is in the blogosphere, where the likes of Daily Kos and TPM tease out initial leads that are too hot for the NYT.

The joke here is that the right is supposed to have an apparatus that does exactly what TPM does on the left. We have magazines and newspapers and websites who employ plenty of journalists, and some who purport to be investigative journalists. And the right has had successes like the Jindal story I outlined above. The problem is that the last one I can really remember was the CBS memogate story four and a half years ago.

This is not to tar every conservative journalist with the same brush since I know many who do great work -- but in the aggregate, we don't seem to measure up in a few areas. First, many of the people we call journalists are actually commentators whose primary goal is to appear on Fox. Second, many of those who do publish original stories do so in a lean-back manner, waiting for sources to call them and tell them interesting things. Leftist journalists like Roth lean forward, taking a tidbit of blogger gossip and actively harrass Republican press staffers with it.

I could easily couch this post as a warning, except it's more of a description of the fallout of a 50-megaton warhead that's been dropped on conservative Washington except most people don't seem to know it yet.

On one side, we have the left picking off rising Republican stars one at a time. And on the other, we had an utter failure to do the same to the most conspicuous rising star on the left, Barack Obama. The MSM was not going to do it for us -- we had to do it ourselves and we didn't. For starters, we still know very little about Obama's law practice before and during his tenure as a State Senator. Had Obama been a Republican, Rev. Wright's radicalism, a fact known to tens of thousands of people but which somehow escaped the notice of the national press, would have been an issue shortly after his 2004 convention speech -- just as the left has been furiously picking apart Jindal's response speech.

The right needs a serious investigative capacity to channel raw information in politically important directions. Op-eds and Fox hits don't add value. Raw information about Democratic hypocrisy does.

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Not so sure

Patrick,

In the last election, Sean Hannity did yeoman's work getting the truth out about Barack Obama.  He interviewed Rev. Wright in March 2007 and he broke the Bill Ayres.

My friend, David Freddoso, wrote a book that cogently put together all of the reasons Barack Obama was unfit for the presidency.

The media ignored both of these while being completely in the tank for Obama.

Ultimately, all of the investigative media in the world if the official Republican candidate won't mean bunk unless the relevant Republican candidate (or allied 527) actually uses it.  In case you forget, John McCain stubbornly refused to use Obama radicalism against Obama until it was too late.  For a man who served our country so courageously, I've always been amazed by John McCain's outright cowardice when it comes to attacking political opponents.

Here's a much simpler solution: Don't nominate John McCain ever again.

I hope this helps.

Cahnman out.

The MSM and McCain covered Ayers plenty - it just didn't work.

It simply isn't true that the MSM didn't cover the Bill Ayers and Jeremiah Wright story. They covered them plenty. And after September, McCain talked about Ayers plenty. The stories just didn't resonate with voters because voters didn't see them as issues that were relevant to their concerns.

Want proof? Oct 15 2008 NYT/CBS Poll - link to pdf: 

Question 61. How much have you heard or read about the allegation by the McCain campaign that Barack Obama was associated with Bill Ayers, a former member of the radical domestic group called the Weathermen — a lot, some, not much, or nothing at all?

  • A lot - 33%
  • Some  - 31%
  • Not much - 17%
  • Nothing at all - 18%
  • DK/NA - 1%

That's 81% of the respondents with some awareness - I bet you that many people couldn't identify the two teams who participated in this year's Superbowl. And how well did it work out for McCain to bang on about Ayers?

Question 56. Has your opinion of John McCain changed over the past couple of weeks, or hasn’t it changed? IF CHANGED, Has it changed for the better or for the worse?

  • Changed for the better: 7%
  • Changed for the worse: 21%
  • Not changed: 72%

Question 57. What is the main reason your opinion of John McCain has changed over the past couple of weeks?

  • Attacks on opponent 23
  • Sarah Palin 22
  • Debate performance 10
  • Economic policy/Tax policy 10
  • Health care policy 10
  • Erratic/unsteady 10
  • Handling attacks from opponent 3
  • Not prepared/experience/knowledge Other 8
  • DK/NA 2 

Trotting out these "guilt-by-association" tactics at a time when the economy was tanking simply backfired. Voters correctly identified the candidate who was interested in addressing the problems at hand vs. the candidate who hoped to occupy the office.

Don't conflate "people's opinions were not changed in the direction I had hoped" with "the media didn't cover it".

 

The Ayers coverage

Back in early October, Scott Shane of the New York Times did some "investigative" work into the Ayers issue and gave BHO a clean bill of health. Here's memeorandum's contemporaneous links, and see the first link for how the NYT's attempt at covering for BHO was then parroted by a wide variety of other sources, both blogs and CNN, the WaPo, etc. BHO's opponents were largely powerless against that because they just don't know how to do things the right way.

You are just once again blaming the media

You are just once again blaming the media for not making the Ayers meme stick, when the central problem is that the Ayers meme wasn't sticky. There was no there there.

Patrick's bone

 Patrick, all the meat on the bone you're gnawing is gone.  Your "It's all the media's fault that the GOP's rising stars are getting a bum rap" is total BS. Don't play Americans for fools who need self-appointed pundits to tell them what the "real" truth is.  Leave that to Rush Limbaugh who has made millions feeding that line to his gullible followers. Ordniary Americans can judge Palin and Jindal's performance just as well as you can.  They don't need you to explain to them how to interpret what their eyes are observing. It didn't take anyone long to see how clueless and shallow Sarah was and the fact that Bobby Jindal became a joke overnight is not anyone's fault but his own for giving a lame rebuttal replete with factual distortions.

Red

Jindal was known as a phenom in Louisiana while Obama was still strumming his gourd with his Acorn children.

Jindal is twice as smart as Obama and Biden put together.  Oh, wait... Twice as smart as Obama and Hllary put together.  You would like him to be a joke, but it won't happen.

Twice as incoherent

 Black is white, the earth is flat, pigs can fly... However "smart" you think your wonder boy is, he flubbed his golden opportunity (big time!) to vault himself to a leadership position in the GOP and is now toast.  There's no way he gets a second chance to make a first impression.  Did you see the results of the CPAC poll? Even the lunatic fringe of your party sees the writing on the wall for Bobby.  If he were this super intelligent phenomenon you've described, why would the conservatives have dumped him so fast?  Maybe they know something that you don't know.

And you forget . . .

Hillary started using it in the primaries. I didn't work for her. If she can't get it to work, it's not going to work for McCain. If it's not going to work for either one of them, the media doesn't care about things people don't care about.

 

There's this overall perception that the MSM is some evil lurking, plotting, waiting to take over. And really it's about ratings and sponser money. Reps dominate the radio and Dems dominate print and TV. Each are biased toward their consituencies to raise MONEY. Reps have to come to the painful idea that there's a large swath of people who don't really care about certain things. Ayer's seemed like politics, and they expect it and like a bad commercial, ignored it.

Dandy Don

What Hillary and McCain did is a lot like what Dandy Don did here, where he just lackadaisically threw the ball without taking off his coat. Except, in the Hillary and McCain case, they hadn't built a Alamo can mockup and they didn't take off their coats because they'd trained wearing a coat but because they were just too lazy.

Not so sure (opposite direction!)

First, the stories about Palin didn't come out before she was nominated as VP; the same way(or even later than) stories about Obama came out when he became a serious contender for the Democratic nomination.

It was ABC (IIRC) that broke the Wright story, and George Stephanapoulos allowed/asked questions on Obama's patriotism - "why don't you wear a flag pin?"  So to say that the MSM isn't doing the dirty work/investigative journalism is... false.  I won't even start on Fox/Hannity/Rush.

As for McCain not using the Ayers/Wright stories - (a) I'd call that honor, not cowardice; (b) Palin did use them, in the traditional role of attack dog.

Anyway, as far as I can tell, the election didn't break one way or another till the economy went off the cliff.  So a better solution - come up with better ideas (or don't let another W-type run riot, screwing up his/her successors.)

mccain has no honor

there is no honor in sneak attacks, done in the night with plausible deniability.

There is no honor in blatantly lying about one's opponent's stances on hot-button issues in pushpolls.

McCain had honor. Then he lost it. I mourn for the old McCain.

Another milestone on the descent

1. I'll bet if I spent an hour or two researching the Jindal issue I'd find that both TPM/Politico and Jindal's defenders have left a thing or two out of their accounts (I'm not going to bother). As I understand it, Carlson was suggesting getting your facts straight, not being intellectually dishonest partisan hacks. Emulating Dem hackery might be good for the GOP, but it's not good for the U.S.

2. A related problem is a lack of integrity and brainpower on the part of the leaders of the GOP. For instance, they're afraid of telling the truth about this issue, or they've been so programmed by the MSM that they would reflexively dismiss my reporting, lumping my fact-based coverage in with those who only engage in speculation. And, that's despite the fact that telling the truth about that issue in the right way could help discredit dozens of MSM reporters. If any GOP leaders ever discussed that topic, they'd do it in a stupid food fight way rather than simply stating the truth.

3. And, many people just don't know how to do things the right way. Here are three examples of blog posts that could have been more effective. Here's another one. The idiotic "tea parties" are a more recent example.

A few comments

Awareness of an issue does not prove media coverage.  Nothing is said about where the poll respondents got the information.

But granting the media was the source, it's likely that the only discussion of Ayers in the media (considering their backing of Obama) was in stories defending Obama against the Ayers charges, not any serious investigation of them.  The second poll excerpt in the post would tend to back that view, reflecting a constant storm of negative media coverage against the Republicans.

Any Republican who has a strong foundation in actual conservative principles instead of Republican politics is going to be strongly attacked.  Palin and Jindal were attacked for their message, not their qualifications.  The same attackers respond to "moderate" or "flexible" Republicans with benign neglect.

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81% is a pretty good indication that it wasn't all robocalls

Three points:

1) 81% is a pretty good indication that it wasn't all from  robocalls, isn't it?

2) Where is the there there that the media was covering up? I know I lost interest in it as soon as I learned that the (Republican) Annanbergs were the ones who put Ayers and Obama on the same board.

3) It is not the media's job to make the candidate's case. Why didn't the McCain campaign or the RNC do a better job with my point #2?? That's what ads are for. Don't you think it is becasue there WAS nothing but some vague guilt-by-association claims?

Things on the Right seem to

Things on the Right seem to be more top down.  This is why you see the reliance on the "media bias" trope. This is why there is the need to pay fealty to Rush. The information flow is one way, generally.

The Right has painted itself into a corner out of which it cannot emerge intact. If Obama succeeds the Right loses.  If Obama loses, then the economy is by definition worse off than it is now even more government intervention is needed whoever is in charge.

 

Begging the question

This is a fine example of the left begging the question.  Molotov claims that if Obama fails it  shows the economy requires even more intervention.  Huh?  How about Obams does too much intervention or the wrong intervention.  How about Obama creates so much debt, out economy cannot pay the interest on the debt?

 

There are a host of reasons why Obama may fail, but not indicate that more government intervention is required.  Molotov needs to throw his cocktail somewhere else where his irrationality and begging the question is appreciated.  I suggest DU.

 

Rick

umm... yeah.

that's the jetfuel approach.

I'd rather take it than throw fuel on the fire.

but if the us goes bankrupt, it wont' matter anyhow.

Lots of buzz today about my

Lots of buzz today about my my friend Todd Purdum's story on Sarah Palin in the new issue of Vanity Fair. The story's a good reminder of the still enduring role of the monthly magazine in the age of blogs and Twitter.

 

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In the 2006 election,

In the 2006 election, Democrats did something they hadn't done since 1958, winning a political "hat trick" that handed them control of the governor's office and both chambers of the state legislature.

 

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Anneberg Misdirection

Yep, you fell for or perhaps fostered the misdirection.  The Annenberg foundation may have been started by a Republican, but it would not be the first conservative foundation subverted by the leftists.  Mr Anenberg would probably have been rolling in his grave to know that his money was going to an unrepentant terrorist who was channeling the funds not to educate poor black children, but to fund separatism and 'community organizing'.

My blood runs cold when I think of that human excrement Ayers in control of educating out children, and having chummy phone conversations with the man in the White House. 

The media didn't cover Ayers, it flowered him.  It made him the next Oscar De Larenta.  F())^& him.

 

A clumsy attempt at misdirection on your part

Wow, that was just lame on your part - Walter Annenberg was very much alive and kicking at the relevant moments in time. He founded the Annenberg Challenge in 1993. The Chicago grant proposal was co-authered by Bill Ayers and was submitted in 1994. The grant was made in January, 1995.  Press release says:

The Chicago Annenberg proposal was developed through discussions among a broad-based coalition of local school council members, teachers, principals, school reform groups, union representatives and central office staff, convened by Anne Hallett of the Cross City Campaign for Urban School Reform, William Ayers of the University of Illinois at Chicago, and Warren Chapman of the Joyce Foundation.

Annenberg did not die until October, 2002. So, you may think that Ayers is human excrement, but obviously Walter Annenberg did not.

The real test

The real test is what the Annenberg challenge accomplished with its $160 million?  The answer is nothing.  So the next question is why did Annenberg stand for that?

In fact, Obama seems to be taking the same tack as President.  Let's spend a lot of money and maybe something will come out of it.  Then again, maybe not.

You might want to actually investigate the Annenberg Challenge to Chicago.  If you do, you will find:

1. The remaining $387 million was for: school reform in the largest urban school systems, attended by a third of the 47 million public school students in the U.S.; for school reform in rural schools which make up a quarter of all public schools, attended by 1 in 8 public school students in the U.S.; and for arts education.[2][5]

Annenberg delegated how to spend the $387 million to his closest professional friend, Vartan Gregorian, whom he had known for twenty years." 

In other words, Walter Annenberg was not much involved.

2  "An August 2003 final technical report of the Chicago Annenberg Research Project by the Consortium on Chicago School Research said that while "student achievement improved across Annenberg Challenge schools as it did across the Chicago Public School system as a whole, results suggest that among the schools it supported, the Challenge had little impact on school improvement and student outcomes, with no statistically significant differences between Annenberg and non-Annenberg schools in rates of achievement gain, classroom behavior, student self-efficacy, and social competence". 

In other words, no measurable result.  That fits Obama's history: lots of talk, no result.

It is actually pretty easy to debate leftists.  They rarely do any actual research.  Like Obama, they are all talk.

Rick

 

 

Nice attempt to change the question

Nice attempt to change the question, but I'm not playing. The issue is: why didn't the Ayers association stop the Obama campaign? The answer is there wasn't anything there except for some vague guilt-by-association attempts. The root of the fallacy goes all the way back to the question of who brought Ayers and Obama together. The answer is: a staunch Republican do-gooder, Walter Annenberg.

Not impressed

I don't really care about this homosexual love tryst that pastordan & Rev. Wright were engaged in for five long years.

Were pastordan able to take the dick out of his mouth every once in a while, maybe he could say something coherent and useful.

As is, he is a total loss on both counts.

 

Now, ask me about black churches, you son of a bitch. 

are you having a bad day or something?

It's generally me who's big on blue language around here! jeez!

Very well, which do you think comes closer to picturing Jesus accurately? Aryan Jesus or Black Jesus?

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I always pictured Jesus somewhere along the lines of Jamie Farr. 

Gov. Sarah Palin of Alaska,

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The place where it's being

The place where it's being drilled, refined, and transported is in the blogosphere, where the likes of Daily Kos and TPM tease out initial leads that are too hot for the NYT.

 

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We have magazines and newspapers and websites who employ plenty of journalists, and some who purport to be investigative journalists.

 

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Previous speakers have

Previous speakers have included Ronald Reagan, George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, Pat Buchanan, Karl Rove, Newt Gingrich, and Ron Paul. Before, during, and after his presidency, Reagan spoke at CPAC a total of 12 times.

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The info on the 0 was out there...

Look,I love (especially) politcal blogs  I have been reading them since before rathergate. Some have real,and real time info,some are just aggregators,and some are just echo chambers. I do not consider myself concise or articulate,nor do I have sources to new info,so mostly I read. Probably way too many hours. But...

The info was out there. i can remember reading about Wright,Annenberg,Ayers,Resko,etc well before the 0 won the Dem nomination.Probably as far back on some of it in Mar of 08.

Consider that there was at least two blogs,and a radio reporter in Chicago that were seriously investigating the Annenberg Challenge. Very little of that info made the MSM,and what did was discounted heavily

So the question becomes -

1 - How do the conservatives,or Republicans a) find the goods on opponents, and b) do we want to use info the same way as Kos?

I don't know that this is such a good plan anyway,especially in the case of the 0,as the MSM wasn't going to listen ,and did their best to mitigate any argument,or info they didn't like.Such as in the case of J Wright. Even after he made it clear what he was preaching was NOT Christianity,no one especially in the MSM questioned if the 0 was what he professed to be. It was important,not from a religious stand point,but from the fact that the country could have seen from the contrast that he was not the candidate he was saying he was. Of course,there aren't many religious scholars out there that are either into politics,or haven't been discredited in the same manner as Sarah Palin and Bobby Jindal are being attacked. And nobody important stands up for them, even when they know that they were correct.

I am getting a little OT here,but the question becomes how do you limit frivolious attacks,apparently we can't, as no one is able to counter all the attacks,and the candidates just can't seem to find it in themselves to stick together when someone is being falsely attacked, Even then most of the MSM will ignore any common front put out by the R side. 

So we are left with finding an end-run around them.

First I think candidates themselves(unfortunately) are going to have to be quicker on the draw to counter frivolous attacks on themselves and other R candidates.This is starting to happen. Faster please!

They are also going to have to come up with a much clearer statement of what being a conservative is. They need a concise statement,we haven't gotten one from the R side They then have to clearly be able to counter the D's misrepresentation of what conservatism is. (Maybe that is the first thing) This coming together also,but once again, Faster Please!

Only then can conservative journalists have a clear direction to take.

Only a few blogs are capable of first person research,and the R side is not getting  fed info like the Ds. So if conservative journalists want help from conservative blogs,they are going to have to use them more for research. Look for the ones that do good reseach,and they are there,and use them.

ps Don't knock the Tea Parties,just think what the blogs looked like in 2001. Pretty amaterish by todays standards. But the good ones grew up didn't they. There were thousands of regular people at these events,most probably don't even know what a blog is

If we can get even a tenth of these teapartyers to grow into solid,articulate speakers for the conservative side, the teaparties will have accomplished what the R party and the R blogs have only a small foothold on. We need normal every day people to take a bigger part in politics,their government,and how the conservative side operates, to counter what the D side makes up about us.We need a bigger voice.

now Black evangelicals ain't christian?

fuck you and the horse you rode in on. Or, better yet, go over to Street Prophets. Pastor Dan's worked with Rev. Wright -- they're in the same denomination. Go talk to him about how you think that the Unitarians and Universalists aren't christian.

Unitarians and Universalists

Easy.  Just go to their web site:

http://www.uua.org/visitors/beliefswithin/index.shtml

 

If you bother, you will find this: "Unitarian Universalism is a liberal religion that encompasses many faith traditions.  Unitarian Universalists include people who identify as Christians, Jews, Buddhists, Hindus, Pagans, Atheists, Agnostics, Humanists, and others.  As there is no official Unitarian Universalist creed, Unitarian Universalists are free to search for truth on many paths."

 

While there is nothing wrong with this, it is hardly Christian.

 

Sheesh, don;t you do even the most elementary research.  If you are going  to make such a strong claim, it behooves you to actually check it out. 

 

More garbage argument from the left.  Why is the we have so many leftist trolls who mesely assert rather than support?

Rick

your elementary research is quite mistaken.

When you can point me to Trinity United Church of Christ on that website, maybe you might have a point. As it is, somehow we're talking about two different things. I'm not christian, so maybe you can enlighten me.

Guess it's my fault, I think i managed to turn UCC into UUC, which is a different place.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Church_of_Christ

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Call the Whaaaaaambulance!

Once again the right decries how the MSM and the voting public won't play along with their Atwater/Rove games. Poor victims.

1. Unless the person in question is a paid advisor/staff to the campaign/administration, it is by definition guilt by association. Many candidates and presidents have had siblings and inlaws with nefarious connections and unwise actions in their past, and we have always viewed that as no reflection on the person themselves, Democrat or Republican.  If your own brother can be a major f*ckup, then so can your friends. The MSM, by and large, have always had too much class to give such associations very much attention. I pray they never do.

2. Even if every voter was fully aware of the connection between Obama and Ayers (as I was) they are free to dismiss that information, or incorporate it into their decision in a manner consistent with their politics, and not how you, as a conservative, would wish to have them view the world. Millions thought the Vietnam War was evil and wrong, and admire the efforts of anti-war protest groups like the Weather Underground. I know you don't. That's real sweet and all. But the rest of us are entitled to view history from our own perspective, and not yours.

That brings up another semi-related point about divergent views of history that I hope the mods will consider. On another thread a poster recently recalled how when President Reagan was shot, he, then a teenager, was quite cheerful at the prospect that Reagan might have been assasinated. The mods felt he was calling for violence against elected officials. I agree that should not be tolerated. But my view was the poster was doing no such thing. He was in fact reporting his youthful reaction to an historical event, and doing so in a very honest manner. I'm sure his view was a minority opinion. But, I am also sure he was far from alone in his sentiments.

Rush The Entertainer

I know...my subject matter is a bit harsh on the Rush-man, but he is a conservative personality. Very much like Oberimien and Mathews. Ah yes, those nasty villians on the left. I find it more amusing than ever to watch the left/right jousting during these sour economic times. I love to listen to what Rush has to say. But, not just 'what' he says, but 'how' he says it.

He gets everyone juiced up...like a motivational speaker. An entertainer in a sense. But, those lefties should start cleaning the wax out of their ears and actually LISTEN to what the right is saying. But alas, they feel that the right is not right at all. In fact, they think we are villians. Absolutely nothing we could say could ever agree with them. So, they have this method I call: 'Blanket destain' for anything conservative.

So, what do we do?

We communicate. We Blog. We watch and at the right moment, get under their skin.

I hope to become a 'card carrying' member of the Anti-Pelosi fan club. She's more 'wigged-out' now than she ever was out here in California.....

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Jindal wasn't there, TPM is right

The basic claim of the Kos diarist and then TPM is that the events could not have happened as Jindal said because he was known to be elsewhere at the time.  The video of Sheriff Lee shows him clearly saying Jindal was with him the next day.  But Jindal was known to be elsewhere the next day.  Lee "mis-remembered".  I'm impressed that Republicans defending Jindal ignore the possibility that the Democrat Lee was telling a story inaccurately. 

The opening-day headliner for

The opening-day headliner for the annual CPAC conservative convention February 26-28, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, has pulled out, citing state business in Juneau.

 

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Agree with all points other than Palin the Stupid

Palin did herself in. She was not capable of running this country and it only took her opening her mouth when it came to questions regarding the world outside of Alaska to prove her failings.

I agree with your other points but not Palin. SHE alone was resonsible for the majority of people in this country disliking her her. The FACTS regarding her were not made up nor were they unable to be proven. Facts, funny little things that can bite you in the behind if your not careful...Palin forgot that.

I agree with your other

I agree with your other points but not Palin. SHE alone was resonsible for the majority of people in this country disliking her her. The FACTS regarding her were not made up nor were they unable to be proven. Facts, funny little things that can bite you in the behind if your not careful...Palin forgot that. 

Did you read what you just wrote?

So? I guess she didn't have her own kid? Please go back and start over. 

One of the things we found with Palin is that in fact she did help McCain get more voters to his side. 

McCain, however, couldn't have won that election that year had Hitler been his opponent. He was that bad a nominee. Palin was simply too new a nominee, although her history as Governor of Alaska actually made her more qualified than Zero to be President, as we are beginning to find out.

The problem with Democrats is that when it comes to Palin, they are still living in 2008. Palin in 2010 or 2012 will be a far different animal, which is why smart Democrats are trying to kill her off now. 

yeah, she'll still be spiteful and vindictive

but she'll be better able to distance herself from all of the witchhunting she did instead of governing.

ehehe. not.

Listen to me: kos feared Huckabee for a reason. He at least sounds sane.

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Palin was the Republican Party's vice-presidential nominee for the 2008 United States presidential election, on the ticket with Senator John McCain.

 

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Defying the Alaska

Defying the Alaska Legislature, Gov. Sarah Palin has vetoed Alaska's acceptance of $28.6 million in federal stimulus dollars for relief of energy costs and development of renewable energy sources.

 

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I think the jury is still out

I think the jury is still out on Sarah Palin. She's obviously a very complex character, so I won't make my judgement yet. She has a loving family around here, tha isn't 'perfect', and I think that will hold her in good stead with the public. lightweight rucksack

 

CPAC 2007 was held March

CPAC 2007 was held March 1-3rd at the Omni Shoreham Hotel in Washington D.C. Its tone was uncharacteristically anti-Republican because many speakers and attendees felt that Republicans in congress and to some extent President Bush abandoned conservative principles. Many of the speakers blamed the 2006 election losses on Republican corruption and fiscal irresponsibility. Other than John McCain, every Republican candidate for president at the time was present. no scar breast augmentation

CPAC's main purpose is the

CPAC's main purpose is the broadcast of proceedings of the House of Commons. Other programming includes meetings of House of Commons and Senate parliamentary committees, occasional Supreme Court proceedings, political conventions, conferences, committees and coverage of general elections.

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Even after he made it clear

Even after he made it clear what he was preaching was NOT Christianity,no one especially in the MSM questioned if the 0 was what he professed to be. It was important,not from a religious stand point,but from the fact that the country could have seen from the contrast that he was not the candidate he was saying he was. Of course,there aren't many religious scholars out there that are either into politics,or haven't been discredited in the same manner as Sarah Palin and Bobby Jindal are being attacked. And nobody important stands up for them, even when they know that they were correct. Sharm El Sheikh holiday