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Obama Chooses Biden: Does that change GOP gameplan?
It's Biden, so Now what?
I say BHO may have stumbled into a pick that could help more than harm him in the longrun. I know that goes contrary to popular opinion, but pundits and political junkies think very differently from the rough and tough rural voters that both candidates will be fighting for. They like their candidates to have 'straight talk', this is why Hillary and McCain are popular.
Biden is brash, but real..your average Joe Amtrack passenger, 'one of the guys' and he will totally play that up to attract that blue collar vote. (Already today in his first speech he was striking distinctly populist / stand up comedy tones) And he has significant experience in areas that Obama is weak.
He could be potentially difficult for T-Paw to handle in veep debates, and although Mitt could probably go head to head with him in debates, I think Biden has stronger 'Hillary voter' / blue collar appeal than Mitt does.
I may be biased, but I think Biden just put Huckabee and possibly Portman back into consideration. Both could handle the debate format with Biden, both have at least a decade of governing /legislative experience to draw on in debating policy. I think Huckabee is the better counterweight to Biden's blue collar appeal though, and would generate more 'instant' excitement in some quarters of the base.
BTW... Mike has done extensive travelling to Asia, Africa and the Middle East since withdrawing from the race. His trip to Israel received lots of buzz locally, and possibly shored up his ability to reach out to our local Jewish voting bloc.
He's scheduled to do a Colbert report taping this month???? (From Colbert's facebook group) He hasn't done a late night stop since he was campaigning!! Why now?
Also, the level of security around Huck has been increased. A Huckabee supporter on Huck's Army posted that in trying to get a postcard to Huck at a recent event, the security detail would not let her get close, and she had to open the envelope and expose the contents before they took it to him. This was last week. At the time we wondered if he was getting threats because of the inntensity of the 'bigotry' discussion going on in the media and blogosphere. Huck has never had security beyond the few assistants who went everywhere with him on the campsign trail. What's up?
And for the first time ever, Huck declined to comment about his or anybody's veep prospects on Greta tonight.. no humorous comment about not having given anybody fingerprints?
It's still a long, long shot.. but the next few days will be very interesting.
I don't think McCain has finalized his choice, and this Biden pick could be a game changer, to the extent that the WAY McCain decides to go after Biden could affect his own options regarding his own running mate.
There really doesn't seem to be any clear cut choice. Hopefully McCain will make a choice that does more good than harm.


Comments
Biden not a gamechanger
say BHO has stumbled into his best pick. Biden is brash, but real..your average Joe Amtrack passenger. And he has a crapload of experience in everything.
Wrong and wrong. Biden is a blowhard with experience only in DC Senatorial politics. Valuable but not executive experience. Obama could have done better and the GOP dodged a bullet that he didnt.
Gamechanger? Biden is laughably lame choice that is the least changing pick of them all. Mr "Change" picks mr insider, who just happened to have enough choice quotes about the need for experience in the oval office to be useful for 60 second RNC spots.
Huckabee is a truly awful awful choice for VP and it would turn off the entire swath of fiscal free-market conservatives just as a pro-choice pick would turn off legions of prolifers. Lets not even go there.
As for voter appeal, note that its the top of the ticket that matters not so much the bottom. If Romney can represent the ticket, that is the main thing.
How you managed to be wrong in everything you say in this post is tough, but you did it.
Underestimate Biden's potential impact at your own risk
Blowhard?
We'll see I guess. When Biden starts ripping into the GOP ticket with a smile. A blowhard is just what he needs right now. And one with a deep knowlege pool. He doesn't need to be the CEO, just a resource.
Don't underestimate his ability to use his bluecollar and union connections to soften resistance to BO in that quarter.
Everybody says stupid things, when you're passionate and stubborn and reasonably consistent. Like McCain, Biden has a reputation for shooting straight, and sometimes recklessly, but with good intentions. That will help Mr. Nuance's package significantly.
Biden's primary comments can only be used to advantage if McCain is wise enough to avoid the same trap. Can't you see the Democratic ads now?
There was too much on the record animosity between Mitt and McCain during the primaries. If they want to use Biden's words against Obama to their advantage, they would be fools to think Romney would avoid the same treatment. For goodness sake McCain is on the record implying Mitt is a pig!
McCain vs Mitt NH , "You don't roll in the mud with a pig. You get dirty and the pig likes it!"
I would recommend that we not underestimate what gravitas Biden could bring to this ticket if it is done right. We'd do so at our own Peril.
Re Huck? Show me a fiscon who will vote for Obama, or willingly let him win by sitting on their hands and not supporting a McCain/Huckabee ticket. Won't find many...love their money too much, Obama's gonna take it all away.
Show me a practicing christian who wouldn't support a McCain/pro-choice/flip flop ticket, and I can show you millions. For many it is about a covenant promise made to their God NEVER to vote against life. There's no reasoning with that.
McCain will have to move to lock down the values vote if he wants to win. It may not be Huck... but there are not a whole lot of values options who can face down Biden in bully mode AND bring voters to the table as well.
He'll need some wisdom in making that choice. Our future depends on it.
Biden a Blowhard? Yes the blue whale of blowhards!
if you look up the word blowhard in the dictionary, Biden's picture will be there. He's one of the top blowhard gasbag bloviating windbags in the Senate. Which is a bit like talking about the largest species of whale. Biden's the blue whale of blowhardism. Byron York mentioned that in the judiciary hearings for nominees, he was famous for using up his 10 minutes by talking for 9 and half minutes and giving the nominee just 30 seconds.
Biden is well-known for his many verbal gaffes that make potatoe-burdened Quayle seem Shakespearean.
"Everybody says stupid things" - not everybody is running for president or vice president.
"reasonably consistent" ? Calling a black man unusual for being 'clean' is a result of being consistent?!? Insulting Indians by stereotyping them as 7-11 employees is 'consistent'? using the F-word is consistent?!? And everybody goes around saying stuff like this, of course:
last year Biden said this:
If Biden is a consistent man, he will have to get up and admit that Obama is unready to be President.
But if you want to sing the praises of sub-average Joe, great senatorial mediocrity, go ahead.
http://travismonitor.blogspot.com/2008/08/bad-choice-barack-picks-sub-av...
Huck will make some conservatives jump
Rob Barr, the Libertarian, is running at 5-8% in several states. Come to Free Republic and you can find plenty of disgruntled conservatives who are on the ledge and ready to jump if McCain disses conservatives with a non-conservative pick. For many of them, Huckabee will make them jump.
For me, I wont jump but it sure would make me lose a LOT of enthusiasm for the McCain ticket. Lieberman though would make me puke.
But why are you even bringing up Huckabee like it matters? He was never in contention and that is just a pure pipedream by a small group of people with more idealism than practical sense. If you are going to go with a great southern conservative governor who wont get picked anyway, pick a REAL GOOD ONE LIKE HALEY BARBOUR at least.
If Mac goes for a southern governor
It would be Mark Sanford of SC , who is a bit of an ornery skinflint.
Well, hey....
Maybe the Obama/Biden campaign will hire you, Renson. All that Biden cheerleading should net you some return.
Yep, she did and she followed up on it too.
Hillary thought BO was a blowhard too.
If it makes you folks happy to pretend this is about to become a cakewalk, be my guests.
We all pay the price if you're wrong.
Hopefully McCain's advisers are better able to see both possible outcomes of this decision and prepare accordingly.
Strawman alert, no cakewalk assumed
I never said it was a cakewalk. it wont be.
I have said that McCain would lose the election automatically if he was foolish enough to pick Lieberman.
All we are saying is that Obama's pick of Biden is a blunder that doesnt help him electorally (like eg Mark Warner or Hillary would have), that proves his bad judgment (its sub-average Joe Biden, a legend in his own mind), and proves his campaign rhetoric of change is bogus.
Besides which, the Hillary snub *and* the timing that was screwed up (3am test message after CNN leaked it? OMG WTF LOL!) shows a team thats not living up to the obamessiah rhetoric ("the oceans will heal").
It moves the race from one where McCain has fewer structural disadvantages. IMHO, McCain can win this race if it doesnt make his own blunders, but the campaign has to play out.
Considering where we were in May - McCain behind in polling, fundraising, energy and media attention then, and now near parity in all of it now - things are looking up. But not a cakewalk.
Rensen is right, Freedoms Truth and Lynn are wrong
I see how intelligent dissent gets treated around here. Rensen, you weren't wrong at all. Freedoms Truth is. And to Lynn: pointing out an opponents strenghts through reasoned analysis is what is needed. A determined effort to ingratiate one's self in the echo chamber is not.
Biden will have crossover appeal. Biden is a good orator. Biden has had a great (if also tragic) story.
This election won't be just about change. It will be, as it always is, about being able to relate to the person you're voting for. Biden expands that.
As far as Huck, Renson is right. The anti-tax people aren't going flock to Obama. Huck is a good speaker as well and can bring a Biden-like appeal. He'll solidify the evangelical vote.
This election will be in part be decided by independents and centrists. Biden can appeal to them.
If Biden is so great
How come he came in 5th in the Dem primary? This pick is like picking Tancredo or Brownback for the VP slot. If McCain did that, he'd get a universal WTF?!? from most everyone.
Besides, you are missing the point. The point is about what it says about Obama's judgement and intentions. Biden is a gasbag who isnt really all that smart, and who's statements contradict major Obama campaign themes.
I have a seven-point critique of why Biden is all wrong for bad-choice Barack.
http://travismonitor.blogspot.com/2008/08/bad-choice-barack-picks-sub-av...
Feel free to argue or agree point by point.
PS. "right. The anti-tax people aren't going flock to Obama. Huck is a good speaker as well and can bring a Biden-like appeal. He'll solidify the evangelical vote. " - I know conservative evangelicals who consider Huck a tax-and-spend charlatan. They may be on to something.
Biden is no centrist
He got a mere 15% ACU rating. He's leftwing on abortion, social issues, tax and spend, everything except foreign policies where he is a pro-war liberal Democrat.
national journal rated him the 3rd most liberal senator last year.
This is the most liberal / leftwing ticket EVER.
Biden is misleadlingly considered a 'centrist' because he's not a kucinich peacenik. Consider him a big-govt warmongerer - an anti-RonPaul if you will. He was for the war in Bosnia and voted yes on the war in Iraq in 2002. Nice backstab of the anti-war left by Obama, but dont see how a guy who voted for Iraq war then turned around and gave absurdly bad advice about how to handle it (like break up iraq into 3 states) would win over people in the center more than other possible Obama picks.
The only centrists Obama/Biden it will appeal to are the uninformed ones or those running MBNA or the other credit card companies that Biden caters to.
http://travismonitor.blogspot.com/2008/08/bad-choice-barack-picks-sub-av...
And please, it is pathetic to have a dig about "intelligent dissent" being mistreated when what was posted was neither. Use facts, figures and backing up of claims before you assert anything like that. I was wrong? Well, it would be a mite helpful to justify such a statement.