CPAC Agenda Shows Conservatives Still in Denial

The theme of this year’s Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC) should be “Cocooning our way to Irrelevancy” or perhaps “How to lose the next 5 elections in 10 easy steps.”

From my point of view, it really is that bad. With the exception of some effort to bring conservatism into the 21st century communications-wise, the program appears to be an excellent panacea for what ailed conservatism in about 1980. It’s as if the debacles of 2006 and 2008 never happened. Does it matter that the very same people who helped get us clobbered the last two election cycles are running seminars and roundtables at the conference? Not if you’re a movement still in denial that it will take more than “message tweaking” and better utilization of the internet to bring conservatism back and make it relevant to a large portion of Americans again.

The side conference being sponsored by PJTV - “Conservatism 2.0” – looks interesting but here again, we have familiar faces who haven’t expressed much interest in real conservative reform. (Some panelists on the communications side are the exception.) Glenn Reynolds and Michelle Malkin are internet friends of mine and I agree with them on many issues. But are they really the people to be running a “Conservatism 2.0” conference? Perhaps I misunderstand what they are trying to accomplish. And I may be pleasantly surprised. But before we can even get to “Conservatism 2.0” perhaps we should be thinking of taking a remedial course in what conservatism should mean in our modern society. I’m afraid this sort of introspection will reveal how far afield conservatism has strayed but may also generate thoughts and ideas about how conservatism can be relevant in a 21st century industrialized democracy.

Online activism is fine and seeking new ways to communicate is an excellent idea. But does it matter what we will be trying to get across? If so, I’m not sure that this PJTV side conference will accomplish anything useful.

Alright…so. My idea of “reform” is probably a helluva lot different than most conservatives. But maybe we could start with the recognition that in elections, the way you win is by getting one more vote than the other side. And no matter how you want to add up the numbers, the 30% of so of the nation that identifies itself as “conservative” will always fall short of 50% + 1. I hate to break this news to my fellow conservatives; you can use any kind of mathematical hocus pocus you wish but there just aren’t enough of us to only allow “true conservatives” a place at the table. The absence of conservatives like David Frum, Peggy Noonan, David Brooks, and others who probably agree with 90% of conservative positions on the issues but have been driven from the movement for their apostasy—real or imagined—is as incomprehensible as it is depressing.

This is the way back? It’s not a question of being “moderate” or “true-blue” but rather how long does conservatism want to wander in the wilderness? Ideas on how to reform conservatism—and I speak of real reform, not the cosmetic solutions that appear will be offered at CPAC —must come from as many sources as possible. Some conservatives might not like the smell inside the “Big Tent” but turning up your nose at people who disagree with you on one or two issues is just plain nuts. “Litmus tests” and the like are all well and good unless you are a minority, getting smaller and less relevant, and don’t wish to find a way back in order to compete in the marketplace of ideas.

Our dire situation doesn’t seem to have sunk in yet. This is evident by how many sessions are scheduled that appear to have been lifted from the agenda of a decade or more ago. To wit:

 

Thursday, 2/26 at 10:10:

“The Key to Victory? Listen to Conservatives”

Michael Barone, U.S. News and World ReportRep. Aaron Schock (IL)Rep. Peter Roskam (IL)*Rep. Virginia Foxx (NC)*Saul Anuzis, Michigan Republican Party

Moderator: Al Cardenas, American Conservative Union Board of Directors

I would listen to Michael Barone if he appeared in a bathtub. As for the rest, the day the conservative movement stops listening to members of Congress (with precious few exceptions) is the day we begin the road back.

Thursday, 2/26 at 1:50 pm

“New Challenges in the Culture War”

Rep. Chris Smith (NJ)*Dr. Janice Crouse, The Beverly LaHaye InstituteMat Staver, Liberty Counsel and Liberty University School of Law

Moderator: Marjorie Dannenfelser, Susan B. Anthony List

New, old, what’s the difference? The issues are losers. The GOP is no longer seen as the party of fiscal restraint, low taxes, and strong defense but rather the gay bashing, anti-woman, anti-minority party. Those who believe a simple tweaking of the message will change that are dreaming.

Friday, 2/27 at 9:00 AM

Breakfast with Phyllis Schlafly: “Doing the Impossible”

Schafly is one smart, tough woman but part of the ancien regime. The same goes for many of the speakers at the conference. Ann Coulter will once again try to make headlines by attempting to top her own outrageousness. Ralph Reed is selling a book and hardly relevant to my idea of modern conservatism. The Members of Congress invited are, with a couple of exceptions, an uninspiring lot. Mike Pence and Eric Cantor are two of the more thoughtful House members in the Republican caucus but the rest are vanilla and oatmeal.

There are a couple of interesting sessions including Thursday morning’s “Timeless Principles, New Challenges: The Future of the Conservative Movement.” But the panelists? Van Hipp, American Defense International, Steve Moore of the Wall Street Journal, and Bay Buchanan, of the The American Cause would not be my choices to run this session. How about Ross Douthat or Marc Ambinder? These are guys who have given conservative reform a considerable amount of thought. Alas, they are not “pure” enough for this crowd.

Also a session I plan on attending will be “Building the Conservative Hispanic Coalition.” I will almost guarantee that it will be the least popular session as far as attendance at the conference. Given the way GOP candidates shamefully and inexplicably dissed Hispanics by refusing to show up for the Spanish TV debate, I would be ashamed to show my face at this session too.

And, as I mentioned, there is the PJTV side conference. At least here, there appears to be an effort to think outside the box. Patrick Ruffini will be on a panel with Jude Cristobal, singer-songwriter, Andrew Klavan, award-winning author and screenwriter, and Alfonzo Rachel, advocate of right-minded ideas on new media talking about “New Media Empowering Conservative Messages.” There isn’t a new message yet but at least we’ll be ready when there is one.

Saturday’s PJTV session is being billed as a “conservative answer to The View “and features some pretty savvy women moderators including Michelle Malkin, political strategist Jeri Thompson, and pollster Kellyanne Conway. The concept is interesting but I question how it plays into the “Conservatism 2.0” theme. A take off of an MSM television show and transferring the format to internet TV may be entertaining but instructive how? It would seem to me that the format might get in the way of any kind of serious discussions about the future of conservatism but, I may be pleasantly surprised.

Perhaps I am expecting too much from a conference where conservatives are gathering to learn about activism (there are several sessions about “nuts and bolts” politics that are always very good), enjoy the company of mostly like minded people, and gape at some of the stars of the conservative movement.

But looking at the agenda and the speakers for CPAC 2009, I can’t help but think that this will be a lost opportunity. There is so much for conservatives to think about; facing up to the failures of the Bush years and conservative’s role in enabling those failures; less ideology and more pragmatism; a fundamental reassessment of how conservative principles can be relevant in a nation of 300 million people of varied ethnicity and interests; and a radical cleansing of limiting ideas that stifle debate and place more emphasis on assessing the purity of one’s conservative beliefs by a self-selected minority rather than accepting and embracing our differences.

And most importantly, fleeing the mindset that re-enforces the notion that there isn’t much really wrong with conservatism that a dab of message clarification here and a spot of renewed enthusiasm there won’t cure. Accepting the fact that there are fundamental problems is the first step toward recovery.

Unfortunately, CPAC fails miserably in that regard.

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Another wasted opportunity.

These folks really appear to be whistling past the graveyard. The most common theory I've heard on the streets (from people smart enough to know better) on how the GOP will regroup and rebuild is, "Obama will screw up royally with his liberal agenda, and force the voters back into our arms."

Are they too stupid to come up with new ideas and new strategies, or simply too lazy to do the hard work of winning votes?  I used to believe that the GOP desired to reincarnate Reagan. Now it looks more like they all wish to crawl into the crypt, and join him in a thanatopsis fantasy where it is perpetually 1980.

Schlafly, Malkin, Coulter, and Bay Buchanan are the hip chicks, and Noonan is on the outs? That just about says it all. How sad.

Keep us posted on further CPAC developments or lack thereof.

The CPAC Agenda

 Rick, your comments are right on target.  Very thoughtful.  I agree with your critique, but let's face it, CPAC like most of what used to be called "The Conservative Movement" has degenerated into political infotainment, theatrics, and commercialism as some kind of substitute for the intellectual substance of a previous era.  I haven't been to a CPAC in over 15 years, largely for the reasons you discuss.

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What worked in 1980

was four years of Jimmy Carter.  It wasn't conservative think tanks and strategy--though those are valuable.  It was one attractive candidate with a basically conservative message against an economic (stagflation, gas lines, energy shortages) and foreign policy (Iran hostage) disaster.

 

and social policy

Pardoning the draft dodgers (this is one that FEW bring up, but i have a Vietnam Vet in the family)

You've got it wrong

Rick, I think you are really off base here. Look at the other side for an example. Did the left move themselves to the center to win the elections they won over the last 3 years? No, they ran exactly as they are - left leaning democrats.

The reason the Republicans have taken a beating and are "wandering in the wilderness" is because of the unpopularity of George Bush. The country gave Republicans both houses  and the White House for 4 years, and they didn't like the results. Throw a bad economy on top of the fire, and you've got a a 100 lb. anvil around the neck of the Republicans. However, it's not that bad.

Go back to 2002. The Democrats were cast out of the majority in the Senate, and were said to have their time "wandering in the wilderness". How did they turn it around in 6 years? Bush-lash. They hammered the President day in, day out, and made him unpopular. Sure, I think his approval rating would have dropped regardless, but when you have a chorus of far left loons calling him every name in the book for 4 years, and a complicit press, you are going to get slimed. But say what you want, the Dems didn't move themselves to the center. They just made the right seem wrong.

Now, if Obama continues to drag this country towards the hard left (which he appears to be doing), and the country is still in bad economic times in 2010, things will improve for the Republicans. All it will take is one charismatic, principled conservative leader to lead the Republicans back in to the graces of the American people.

But make no mistake about it - this country is center right in its ideology (except for the West Coast and North East). All it will take for the country to remember that is a couple of years living under a socialist, and you can expect them to vote their ideology.

 

iirc

It was Katrina that marked the start of Bush's downward spiral.  The Democrats in Congress were fairly superfluous until then.

'06 had a lot to do with discontent with the war, but not so much in '08.

I don't see Obama moving to the Left as much as Congress is doing.  I think 2010 will change that. 

so serpicolugnut...

 To sumarize:

1) The country was conned: Bush was a great President.  If only the Democrats wouldn't have "slimed" him.

2) Obama is a socialist and his seizing of the means of production is imminent.

3) If the economic disaster caused by Bush and the Republicans isn't fixed PRONTO!! by Obama. the country will vote the Republicans back in.

4) Sarah Palin, ie the "charismatic, principled conservative leader" will prevail in 2012.

You must be smoking some good shit.

You want some ideas on how to

You want some ideas on how to win back support, or at least stop the bleeding? This may shock you, but I suggest you look to Bill Clinton. He had to deal with a surging Republican party from 94-2000.

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Your stats are off

The Battleground poll, consistantly for the last 8 elections, has asked the question of those who ID themselves as very Conservative, Somewhat COnservative, moderate, somewhat liberal, and very liberal.  The stats for Conservative + Somewhat Conservative usually fall in the 57-63% range.  That's a majority that we can win with.  The Democrats won 2006 and 2008 because of four things:

1)  Conservatives did fail to get their message out.  The communications strategy needs a lot of help.  Luntz argued before the election that the GOP had the Talk-radio advantage, and the Democrats had the internet advantage, and he'd FAR prefer the internet advantage. 

2)  The Republicans in Congress did not live up to their conservative principles.  Most observers looked at the GOP as Liberal-lite and hypocrites, especially after the balanced budgets of the 1990s which had been attributed to Bill Clinton.  The GOP sacrificed core principles for political expediency, and thus lost a great number of the American people. 

3)  Obama ran as a Conservative.  He preached lower taxes, fiscal restraint, and spoke in Conservative terms on Gun Control, Abortion, etc.

4)  The financial crisis.  Even with all of the brand problems the GOP had, McCain was leading the race by a wide margin in mid-September.  Congressional races were starting to look up, and optimism was the word of the day.  Once the financial crisis hit, however, it was all over and all Obama had to do is convince the American people that he was a reasonable alternative. 

As far as the big-tent theory, McCain was Mr. Big Tent himself.  Look where it got him.  McCain was the candidate of Frum, Brooks, etc.  The problem with Frum, Brooks, and Noonan are not that they disagree with me or others on an issue or two, but that they've developed a sense of elitism that has turned off the base, and basically (with the exception of Frum) embraced Obama, the most radical president in history.  The big tent philosophy doesn't work.  You win elections on the right by bringing the American people to your point of view, not by capitulating to the other side.

Consider:

More than 50% of americans don't want to ban abortion; more than 50% support gay civil unions. If you can't be a conservative without opposing both of those things, then the numbers that there are 60% conservative just don't add up.

That's a bit misleading

The number of people that favor no restrictions on abortion is something like 17%.

This without getting into the issue of federal funding.

I'm not so sure about the gay civil unions; but I'm pretty sure that a good part of that 'more than 50%' that you cite don't view same-sex marriage favorably. 

yeah, we have both crazy liberals (like me)

and crazy conservatives on abortion. but if you want to call the coiuntry center-right, what policies and ideas does that entail?

Guns? fine. but I'm a lefty liberal, and I dig guns. they provide an efficient way of removing troublemakers in the event of a societal crisis (c4 in a bullet). WHAT? Don't look at me like that! I never claimed to be a NICE liberal, just a pragmatic one.

If Mccain had won Florida and New Hampshire

the only two states that liked John mccain, maybe you'd give him a bit more credit. but palin scared florida good!

mid-September was convention bounce season. smart money was ALL on Obama winning. Also, don't trust polls when one person's strategy ISN"T about polls, but is about maximizing base support and voter turnout. Likely voter models were pretty badly off (Seltzer covers this on Nate Silver's website)

Agreed about the last part

I think you have to have strong convictions, and let the voters decide whether your strong convictions are good enough that they're willing to accept the parts they don't like. Wishy-washy candidates never work well, because they don't have the strength of their convictions.

If anything wins over people, it's certitude. Even people who might be wary of an idea will sometimes accept it if it is presented with a sense of confidence.

Banana spotted the disfunction.

Banana, the 60% conservative figure cited above is a "self-identify" figure where they ask people to rank themselves on the politcal spectrum. Many pro-choice and pro-gay rights folks might consider themselves conservatives.

The problem is that many in the conservative movement want a litmus test on about a dozen issues before they will consider you a "true" conservative. If you depart from their orthodoxy on any one of those issues you are automatically not a conservative, no matter what you might think. You are in fact a dirty, rotten, stinking, ignorant, socialist, terrorist-loving LIBRUL.

It doesn't even have to be a real political issue. I you toe the party line on nearly everything but still feel that Sarah Palin is not a woman with suffcient ability to hold national office, you are drumed out of the corps. Just ask Peggy Noonan or Mike Murphy.

Any wonder that the GOP has trouble rounding up those "conservative" voters on election day when they treat them like dogsh!t  the other 364 days of the year?

One man's conservatism is quite different than another's

artigiano is right though vulgar. One man's conservatism is quite different than another's. The term "center-right nation" does not really tell us anything when on an issue by issue basis few "true conservatives" would be pleased by where the majority of Americans are.

Rather than "voting their ideology" as the OP states I think Americans tend to make voting decisions on quite pragmatic terms. It is therefore a perennial challenge facing conservatives to articulate what conservative government will do rather than what it will not do.

After the last 8 years of ineffective conservative government--the Iraq war and Katrina weigh heavily on our necks--protraying government as the problem is no currently an effective message for broadening the conservative electorate.

BUsh wasn't Conservative

Except for the fact that Bush wasn't very conservative.  The war ceased to be an issue by 2008, Katrina was badly handled, the administration never fought back, and it "reached out" and tried to form a big tent on issues such as immigration, and supporting RINO Senators such as Lincoln Chaffee and Arlen Specter.  Look where that has gotten us. 

That's just silly

Bush may not have ticked every ideological checkbox for Red State or Free Republic readers, but do you really think the cause of his unpopularity was that he wasn't conservative enough? You're telling me you that the 25% or so that still approved of him at the end of his presidency was composed of the center of the electorate? 

Bush lost everyone BUT the far right, until the very end, when he started losing even them. He might have been closer to the center on a couple issues like immigration, but he certainly wasn't perceived by the majority of the electorate as moderate. In fact, he spent a lot of time sending out winks and nods to the far right and the religious right, and that's exactly the reason most liberal and centrist voters hated him so much - his anti-intellectualism, disdain for science, etc. 

Dems have been successful exactly because they've tacked on the center. Look at how popular Bill Clinton still is, and how Obama pissed off his base by appointing so many centrists and Republicans. We can argue over whether it's accurate to call America a center-right nation,  I would say more accurately it's a CENTRIST nation, against too much extremism on either the left or the right. And the right fails to recognize that at it's own peril.

 

yeah, you've got that right.

fascism and other diseases of the center, are much much more likely in America than many places.

Conservative is Different from Republican

CPAC is specificially for conservatives so the absence of people that aren't conservative is fine by me. Now Rick's argument applied to a conference specifically for Republicans that didn't include the people Rick mentioned may have more merit.

Pragmatism is also for the Republican Party not for conservatives. Conservatives need to provide the ammunition for the Republican Party and it is for the Party to decide what is realistic in regards to candidates and legislation.

conservatism is not republicanism

This is a good point.  I agree totally.  Republicans will come back.  But right now we lack three things:  Money, message, and a candidate.  After the presidential loss in 1996 George W Bush became the candidate and he framed the message and raised a lot of money.  Ronald Reagan did the same thing after the 1976 loss. I think the Republican party needs to be patient, calm and smart.  There is far too much harping and anger right now.  We have some good young leaders in congress that are on the rise and we just need patience. 

On fiscal issues Republicans lack credibility

Following the orgy of spending during the Bush years any claim to fiscal responsibility rings hollow.  During his acceptance speech McCain made mention of this and the silence was deafening when he did so. So how do Republicans get people to believe them when it comes to fiscal responsiblity?  Republicans neeed to loudly and publically reject Bushonimics.  Not tax cuts mind you but the free wheeling spending. Also we can promote the success Bobby Jindal has had in Louisiana.  His approach might serve as a template.  Also, Palin's approach in Alaska.  While she may be a lightingrod in some areas her succes in Alaska is not a fluke.  Of course it would be fantastic if one republican governor had the stones to reject the stimulus money but none will which plays to the Democrats because they can easily say 'but you took the money'.  Suffice it to say it's a long row to hoe.

spending, Democrats, Republicans

If Bush's and the Republican Congress' spending was an orgy (and it was), then Obama's and the Democratic Congress' spending is a veritable Saturnalia.  Yes, we should reject "compassionate conservatism" as a viable fiscal strategy, but don't get too carried away with the moral equivalence bit.  After all Obama and the Democrats took 1 month to do what Bush and the Republicans did in 6 years.

A pretty good post

I would put money that Reps loose the next two prez election cycles.

First of all, Reps can't stand on any economic issue. There's this perception that Dem's are going to 'overreach', but Reps through mismanagment basically gave them a pass to do so. Bush Reps own the current economic situation. All Obama has to do is not be worse. And he might, but I wouldn't count on the economy being as bad as it is now in three years.

Reps are also loosing out on social issues. Abortion, yawn. Guns, yawn. God, yawn. And Reps are loosing on gays. I would also like to point out the perception that the US is a center right country. I believe that's been mostly true, but I believe we've just turned a corner on that. That doesn't mean US is super liberal, but America is more urban and less white. Look at the Rep demographics. Rural, white and cranky. That's pretty attractive in a multi-ethinic, ipod generation.

Stop living in the past, stop defining yourselves by not being liberal, and be proactive not reactive.

 

Reagan is gone, Bush sucked, what's next?

 

As I sit in the Midwest, it

As I sit in the Midwest, it is all about jobs. Our jobs are going overseas. Ohio is republican and voted democrat. It is all about the jobs. Add to that we just had the dumbest president ever.

Look at the problems and look at the electoral map. Stop playing around with putting religion in government, and stupid social ideas and create the jobs and prosperity for the middle class. 

Yes, but . . . it's more about education.

The social issues look rediculous when you're unemployed. However, how does one get jobs to the midwest which basically banked on long term manufacturing jobs. As long ago as the eighties it was known that those jobs we're going to leave.

So what should government do about it? Republican or Democrat? Or what should the midwest do? From where I sit in the tech sector on the east coast, I constantly have to hunt for new jobs, stay current on technology and be willing to change my situation. It kind of sucks, but I'm also kind of employeed.

There are repercutions to a free market, but there are repercussion a state controlled market. Unfortunately, people want the best of both.

Where does god and gays fit into all this? No where, and that's why the Reps are very much out of favor at the moment. Few would say Dems have the answer, but at least they're not distracted by trivialities.

 

My answer is here My own

My answer is here My own stimulus long and short 

I generally agree your blog . . . and maybe even Rising Tide

I don't think manufacturing is out per se. Certianly let china or Bangladesh manufacture rubber dog shit and dildos, but they may have a difficult time manufacturing chips, panels and materials. However, for us to do that, it takes education. And how much press does that get? How many resources does that get?

That's why I said it was about education. It's a long term view. . . something this country has had a problem doing.

Japan is a better engineer than we are.

and Korea makes all of the chips anyway (you've heard about the capacitor incident?).

besides, I know someone who worked on a chipset assembly line. doesn't take much training at all. takes training to make the designs, not solder things.

bad example

Ok, chips are a bad example, but you know what I mean.

 

Actually, a good questions is, what does the less-educated sector of an educated country do to hold onto jobs? Manufacturing hasn't been an answer for a long time.

Let's look at Japan.

something along the lines of 33% primary or secondary industries.

America has about 25% primary or secondary industry employment.

If we set a target of getting back up that high, I think we should be able to do fine. Best way to do it is tlo fix health care, as that will send 6% or so of our GDP into "free dollars" to be used by American Consumers.

Postindustrial theory would be to put more towards science and "creative class" stuff, and I like that too...but anything can bubble, and burst bubbles hurt. Better to be diversified.

You know we spend less per capita on restaurants these days than we did in the 1970's? Health Care is eating everyone's breakfast and lunch!

My view is that we live in a

My view is that we live in a globalized economy. Some jobs will be sent here by other countries just as much we have sent ours to third world countries. Some people brag about Ireland with low taxes, but that didn't stop Dell from moving a plant from Ireland to Poland. So it is anyones guess what will go on. We just have to prepare for things long term as you said. 

well well, you answers is

well well, you answers is quite related to my ged program for my Home School

the jobs will be back. gonna make a mint when they come back

the overseas shipping was cheap, and so favored other labor markets. The Mon Valley will be back in force, just watch the price of oil...

Plus, we really need to modernize our plants, not feed antiquated equipment more tax breaks.

I don't know about you, but free paid training is almost a given when unions are hiring around here.

Here here! I've said it

Here here!

I've said it before here - and been panned for doing so by some who may be members of that ancien regime criticized by Moran - but for those who care about principles, rather than just power and control, the focus must shift to the true enemy of limited government in this era: An inbred, self-serving, self-perpetuating, bipartisan political class that to retain its hold on power is ever so happy to play handmaiden to the interests of the permanent government class (the welfare/regulatory state bureaucracy) and to legions of rent seekers.

This disconnected and bipartisan political class has supplanted true representative government in this country, so how does just electing more Repubs solve that fundamental problem?

Candidates who embrace this model and are unambiguously on the side of the people in this struggle can expect to be very popular, and to be demonized by the establishment. Don't expect either party to lead in this struggle, but both will follow when the growing demand for real change becomes impossible to deny. Whichever party gets there first will have a big advantage, at least for a few election cycles.

THANK YOU

As a Republican who WANTS to get back to more MODERATE conservative values running this country your article is a breath of FRESH AIR. I am being pummeled all over the internet for saying the same thing! I was called a troll at The New Majority for expressing this same opinion though not as eloquently.

This country is frightened and they are angry at the GOP and regardless of how we may feel regarding the stimulus, and Cantor's stupidity in saying we "won" something by being idiots about it, we didn't. We only made people more scared and angry at the GOP. He, along with so many others refuse to deal with this reality.

I fear it will take yet another beating at the polls in 2010 for some to learn. Problem with that? The Dems will have a majority then and the road back becomes harder.

trying to make the economy fail

is playing with fire. I don't think the republicans realize quite how bad this could be. we are NOT in an equilibrium state right now. we either go up, or we go down.

And going down would probably involve a certain state seceeding from the union. Guess it?

You want to talk stats Sal?

Try looking at the new poll out today that says the GOP has an unfavorable rating of 68% and try telling me again where this author is off base. YOUR off base by refusing to deal in reality. It's people like you who are hurting this party.

He just told his point of

He just told his point of view, if you dont agree with him then it's ok but dont blame him of hurting this party.

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