Has the Daily Kos community soured on Keith Olbermann?

keith olbermann daily kosA survey found that 65% of Daily Kos' discussion of a recent Olbermann segment is negative.  

Last week, Fox News' Sean Hannity made an off-the-cuff offer to partake in waterboarding for charity, an announcement that MSNBC's Keith Olbermann met with his own charity offer.

"For every second you last, a thousand dollars -- live or on tape, provided other networks' cameras are there," the MSNBC anchor said. "A thousand dollars a second, Sean, because this is no game. This is serious stuff. Put your money where your mouth is, and your nose. Oh, and I'll double it when you admit you feared for your life, when you admit the horrible truth -- waterboarding, the symbol of the last administration, is torture."

Over the past few years, members of the liberal blogosphere have been among Olbermann's most ardent supporters, perhaps none more so than the diarists at Daily Kos. During every show of his the community hosts an "open thread" and Olbermann himself often blogs at the liberal site.

But the negative response the Kos community had for this Olbermann segment and others indicates a certain level of animosity is growing towards the MSNBC host. As of this writing, Olbermann's charity offer has spawned nine diary posts and nearly 1,400 comments at Daily Kos. I surveyed a sizable percentage of these comments and found that approximately 65% of the discussion of Olbermann is negative. About 30% of the comments are positive, while the remaining 5% is neutral.

"Someone should ask Olbermann why he would want to inflict any such treatment on any other living human," one commenter wrote. "And, if what he is proposing comes up short of what we did with our 'enhanced interrogation techniques' what's to be gained by giving Hannity any attention."

Much of the negative coverage followed in this vein, while Olbermann supporters said that the anchor's offer was a good idea, one that would finally teach Hannity that waterboarding constitutes torture.

"I disagree," one person wrote. "This is co-opting Hannity's stunt. I think Hannity is now in a losing position. Either he backs out, or Olbermann makes some actual good come out of Fox News."

This isn't the first indication that the Daily Kos community has soured on Olbermann. When CNBC's Jim Cramer appeared on the Daily Show -- an appearance that many considered an embarrassment to CNBC and its parent company -- the Kos community harshly criticized Olbermann for not highlighting the interview on his show. Many accused him of bowing down to alleged demands that MSNBC anchors not mention the Cramer/Stewart interview. Olbermann himself showed up in the comment threads to defend himself from these charges.

But if this is a sign that the Kossacks have turned on Olbermann, who will take his place in the cable news lineup as the liberal blogosphere's darling? Both Rachel Maddow and (ironically) FNC's Sheppard Smith have been getting favorable coverage from Daily Kos in recent months. Might one of them become the blog's newest champion?

Simon Owens is a media journalist and social media consultant. Email him at simon.bloggasm@gmail.com or read more of his writing at his blog

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the problem with stereotypes

Is that reality often reveals they are wrong.

I have seen the "Kos = far-left" stereotype bandied about relentlessly since 2003, knowing first-hand that it was a gross mischaracterization. In fact, this is probably what has caused conservatives to underestimate that blog time and again.

Olbermann has clearly been moving to the far left for a couple of years. As a result, he is now the liberal version of Hannity, Beck & O'Reilly. It's no surprise that many of the more centrist elements at DKos don't approve.

I can't watch him. I generally prefer Hardball and Shepard Smith. I *really* like Rachel Maddow, but our TiVo kicks in to record Family Guy around that time, so I usually just catch her on the web.

WTF?

People mildly disagree with him on stuff.  How does that constitute souring?  Seriously?

This is wishful thinking.

Huh wut?

For the record, I don't think the "Left" ever really embarced Olbermann.   Like everybody else in the world, sometimes he says things I agree with and sometimes I wish he'd shut his piehole.

There is no souring on Olbermann; this is just business as usual.

-Pain

Being against waterboarding

but wanting to waterboard someone he hates give you a glimpse into this tortured mind.

I've tried to watch, but the hatred oozes out ,and quite frankly I'd rather have a root canal.

Hannity

 

At least Christopher Hitchens had the courage to undergo waterboarding, to prove his point.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/jul/02/humanrights.usa

Not Hannity, who claimed on his show that he would do that in a blink of an eye for charity.

I don't agree with Olbermann's version of typical right wing bullying and "hate" talk,

but on his challenge to Hannity, I am fully with him.

not hatred, melodrama

Olbermann gets all worked up and melodramatic. I'm not sure if he really is this unhinged at times, or is just doing it for ratings. Either way, as you say, it's distasteful and hard to watch.

With regards to waterboarding, it IS torture. I wouldn't wish that on anyone.

I've never watched Olberman...

is he just not as funny as Lewis Black, in moral indignation? Or is it a general "I don't like melodrama" on your part?

You are making

Way too much out of way too little.

There are something like 200,000 Kossacks, and they all have opinions. 

Some of them don't like Olbermann,

And some of them do. .

Olbermann posts there and he gets a lot of responses, so it's not like he doesn't know what they are saying about him.  They say it to him.

So?

How does this manufactured "controversey" impact TheNextRight? Wouldn't it be nice to have a well-known conservative figure posting here?  Even if you didn't agree with him/her, at least you could make your case directly to them.

200,000 Kossacks. . . Is that why it's the Great Orange Satan?

Or is that Seitan? (Yum)

A certain sadness

is evoked by this post. Kinda like seeing a stray dog on a busy highway. WFB must be rolling in his grave.

To me, Olbermann is just a

To me, Olbermann is just a mindless and something guilty entertainment. ;-) I find the first segments something boring, but I love when he immitates Limbaugh and Hannity...

Got news?

I can't quite put a relevance quotient to this dribble. I give it a poor ......can we add a lower rating so this kind of social media reporting can't repeat itself?

Olbermann and Kos

I really think the Right has no understanding of what DailyKOS is, and what it stands for.

The Right's vision of  a "Movement" works a lot like the Bush-Rove GOP:  Precise, orchestrated, united, disciplined, on-message, with clear lines of authority and responsibility.

Progressive structures are just not like that.  Think of trying to herd a bunch of creative, smart-alecky, self-absorbed, independent, strong-minded cats with no respect for authority to go in the direction you want and you begin to get KOS.

I commend the author for reading 13 or 1400 KOS comments, and trying to catalog them.  WHAT a waste of time, lol!

As to Olbermann, one of his favorite pastimes is pushing hot-buttons on O'Reilly, Hannity, Beck et. al. just to anger and provoke them into rash, unwise responses they will regret and provide him ratings.  This waterboarding episode is just a chance to call out the Manatee (from John Cleese's poem, immortalized  on Olbermann's show):

Ode to Sean Hannity by John Cleese

Aping urbanity

Oozing with vanity

Plump as a manatee

Faking humanity

Journalistic calamity

Intellectual inanity

Fox Noise insanity

You’re a profanity

Hannity

 

I would pay good money to see Hannity, a dead ringer for Lou Costello

 

gasping, choking, tearing and vomiting after he's forced to say that Olbermann's is the best show on Cable news, as the ex-CIA  waterboarder Olbermann found has promised to make him say.

Hannity's bloated, middle-school-bully ego will never let him answer Olbermann's taunts, though.

Too much "persona" to lose, as Olbermann knows full well.

Excellent observations

And while not an Olbermann fan, I must admit to seeing him regularly because my husband enjoys his "worsts" and even I have to admit to agreement with most of them (although they're often rather petty and tedious-- I would count those as the provoking aspect you refer to).

And I'm also with him 100% on the Hannity challenge.  It's despicable that Hannity views what occurred as a springboard for a lighthearted challenge, and even more despicable that he wraps himself in the flag and hides behind military families in doing so.  Soldiers were court-martialed and imprisoned for doing what Hannity now argues others in high positions shouldn't even be investigated and potentially held accountable for.

And I agree with the sadness expressed by one of the other posters.  This is what passes for meaningful effort to address the Right's situation, counting Kos comments on Keith Olbermann?   

I'd suggest a more productive activity would be counting the number of current and former Republicans who are sickened at the thought that small-minded people like Rush, Hannity, Beck, Coulter, et. al, are now the voice of the Right.