Voter suppression phone calls in Indiana

Cross-posted from Election Journal.

Fox28 in South Bend, Indiana has a report of an attempt to mislead voters. After a voter told the caller that she supported John McCain, the caller said that her vote had been recorded, and she didn't need to vote on election day:

She says she received a phone call from a woman claiming to be an elections official. “This young lady was saying they’re doing something new and something different and I don’t have to go out and vote,” she said. The caller said people could now vote by phone and asked her who she wanted to vote for. The woman said John McCain. She was then told her vote was cast and she didn’t need to vote Tuesday.

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So get the phone number?

Yep, definitely sounds like illegal voter suppression.  Since all calls are logged, and there's some evidence of a felony, and it's the woman's own phone line anyways, she (or others on her behalf) should be able to get the number from the phone company, and investigate from there.  Why is this not done?

But let's not kid ourselves about which party engages in systematic voter suppression here.

Oh, what the hell.....

You know - as effective as Lee Atwater and Karl Rove may have been, this trick is NOT one that we on the left want to learn.

People who pull this crap, regardless of the party, should be shot.  Screw the felony rap - just shoot them.

Puhleeze!

this trick is NOT one that we on the left want to learn.

Do you know anything at all about your own party? It wrote the book on vote fraud. You don't need to learn it, you invented it.

As I've said elsewhere, there are a lot of fledgling Democrats who have never seen the Democratic Party in action before. I'll enjoy watching your dawning horror the next couple of years as you see what you'e enabled.

 

Supression and fraud are different things

And GWB spent how many millions of dollars trying to ferret out instances of voter fraud in places like Wisconsin in 2004?  How many did he find?

Meanwhile, GOP operatives systematically try to suppress the vote in black communities, and elected (R) officials don't buy enough voting machines in urban areas.  If white suburban voters had to spend as long waiting to vote at the polls as black voters in east Cleveland, the Republicans would be lucky to get 20% of the vote.

I'll make you a deal:  We'll key voter registration to social security numbers (making it very easy to catch double-votes, dead people voting, and Mickey Mouse), but move election day to a Saturday, and allow no-fault early voting by mail in every state.  What do you think would happen to the Republican party in that case?

Zero.

GWB spent zero dollars on that.

Wisconsin, on the other hand, did investigate, and did find lots of Democratic voter fraud. I suppose you did not hear about it over at at DU.

 

GOP operatives systematically try to suppress the vote in black communities

You have a very active fantasy life. Do you daydream about dating a super-model as well? 

 

If white suburban voters had to spend as long waiting to vote at the polls as black voters in east Cleveland, the Republicans would be lucky to get 20% of the vote.

You know diddly about black voters in east Cleveland, my witless youg friend.

We'll key voter registration to social security numbers (making it very easy to catch double-votes, dead people voting, and Mickey Mouse), but move election day to a Saturday, and allow no-fault early voting by mail in every state.  What do you think would happen to the Republican party in that case?\

I think it will win lots of elections. Which is why your party will never, ever, EVER go for that. But you feel free to suggest it to them. Let me know what they say.

Five year investigation at

Five year investigation at the Justice department.  Also, those AUSA's who got fired, guess what kind of charges they refused to file (because they thought they were baseless)?  Do you think that a five-year justice department investigation is free?  They found 24 people voted improperly (felons who didn't realize that they were disenfranchised), but nobody that voted more than once, and no instances of impersonation.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/12/washington/12fraud.html?pagewanted=print

See also, more broadly

http://www.prospect.org/cs/articles?article=the_republican_war_on_voting

I'd be interested to see any articles you have about the Wisconsin D of J having found pervasive voter fraud.

And I spent a week before the 2004 election in East Cleveland, and people waited 3+ hours to vote there.  There were insufficient machines, no heat (in the freezing rain), and polling places chosen to deliberately confuse -- If you live in project building A, which had a polling place in the lobby, you almost certainly voted in project building B, instead of the one you live in.  Pretty disconcerting to find out you just waited in the wrong three-hour line.  Funny, Republican ex-urban presincts didn't have these problems.

These are facts.  Don't let that keep you out of denial -- I hear it's a nice place for republicans this time of year.

As far as reform goes, I fully expect that election day will be moved to a Saturday relatively early in the Obama administration, and if it's constitutional to require states to allow early voting by mail, they will do so.  I mean, think about it.  Who doesn't vote?  Some people are apathetic, sure.  But some people are too busy and don't have the time.  Maybe some of these people are high-powered executives, but a lot more people in this country get paid by the hour, and can't take the time off.  Do you think those people are voting republican?  Do you think that they're happy that the top marginal tax rate has gone down 5% while their real income declines, and we choose to afford two wars but not health insurance, as long as those damn gays don't marry?  If you expand the electorate to more fully reflect the american people, I won't tell you that all these people are just inherently going to vote democratic because they're lower-middle-class.  But the republican party just doesn't have anything to say to those people, other than: Obama is a terrorist-loving liberal who will raise your taxes.  A rational observer would say that these claims are obviously untrue (as applied to said lower-middle-class people) unless you want to say that he's lying about his tax plan and has a secret one, which would open the door to inquiry into McCain's secret policies that he's lying about...

The republican party is way out of touch, and you'll see that tomrorow.  I like this site so far because it seems to encourage a level of discourse worthy of the subject, and a lot of sites on the right just sexy up other people's talking points.  The premise seems to be that the republican party is broken, but can be fixed somehow, and I'd agree with at least the first.  I think it's entirely possible to change the ideology, or, as the Ponnuru's of the world would say, retrench or hearken back to a more true and pure version of the current ideology, which sounds like basically the same thing.  But what does it mean in particulars?  Refusing wasteful spending in your own district, like Dennis Kucinich?  Balanced budgets, like bill clinton ran?  I don't know the answer to this question, but until there is one, I don't know how a "new right" can emerge.

 

Oh, the horrors.

Yep - It'll be in horror as we watch a President who believes in the rule of law, who does NOT believe in the imperial presidency, who does not believe in illegal intelligence gathering, who actually HAS some intelligence, who does not start wars to prove his pecker is bigger than daddy's, and who gathers advisors who don't trash the Justice Department (I do admire John Ashcroft for not completely folding to Bush's demands).

What a clown.

It'll be in horror as we watch a President who believes in the rule of law

Not if Mugabe is elected you won't.

You infants who grew up while Bush was President don't have a clue what corruption and abuse of power look like.

Kleptocracy, my republican friend calls it

He's got your evidence, too. He knows people in the military, billionaires, etc.

And he'd probably tell you to register Democratic (just guessing)

You nucking fumbnut...

FYI - I was around when Tricky Dick was destroying the office, when G. Gordon Libby was offering to assassinate at his master's call, when That-Man-You-Worship Reagan was orchestrating the trading of weapons to the enemy (with lots of help from his VP, the ex-CIA chief).  So don't pull your "you kiddies" bullcrap on me.

 

oh, you mean the OTHER tricky dick.

I thought you meant cheney.

Nixon at least was smart. You could give him a way out, and expect him to take it. not so the last admin.

Stupid Voter Tricks

The only thing that allows me to maintain an even keel when I see these stories is that for every instance like this uncovered on one side, there's another uncovered on the other side. I suspect that most of these are rogue supporters, like that unforunate Todd woman, who think they are helping their side.

The only thing that really causes me concern are the voter database purges. These are not small things, and these are not rogue supporters, these are people like the Republican Secretary of State in Colorado who purged 30,000 NEW voter registrations (read high Democratic concentration) from the rolls because of an unnecessary, and confusing checkbox had not been marked. Rogues from each side will probably cancel each other out, but purging voter rolls seems to be a strictly Republican tactic, and a potentially effective one at that. Though at least in Colorado, the courts found Coffman's purging to be a violation of the spirit, intent, and letter of the voting laws. ACORN can register 1,000,000 fake people, but unless they manage to get these fake people to show up, the actual fraud count will be insignificant.

 

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