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Just a reminder... when did the Financial mess start?
Bush tried to regulate and supervise Fannie and Freddie... but the Democrats scoffed at it all and blocked Bush from trying to fix the financial mess. So, whose fault is the economic mess?
Here is what Representative Barney Frank said in 2003 about Fannie and Freddie:
"Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac are not in a crisis."
"The more people, in my judgment, exaggerate a threat of safety and soundness, the more people conjure up the possibility of serious financial losses to the treasury, which I do not see -- I think we see entities that are fundamentally sound financially and will withstand some of the disaster scenarios. And even if there were a problem the federal government doesn't bail them out. But the more pressure there is there, then the less I think we see in terms of affordable housing."
Here is a video that YouTube initially pulled because it proved that the Democrats are at fault.
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Just a reminder, who controlled all 3 branches of gov't in 2003?
Who had control of Congress in 2003? More importantly, who had control of the Executive Branch in 2003 and could have stepped into the agencies affairs at any time?
Or was the inention of your reminder to point out once again what a disaster the Bush Administration has been.
Another little reminder: the the 2003 proposed legislation idealt with accounting irregularities and allegations that executives in FM & FM were inflating profits to increase bonuses - and was not linked to subprime market problems.
Correction
Buying more subprime loans was critical in Fannie Mae's effort in inflate profits and executive bonuses http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franklin_Raines#Role_in_the_subprime_mortgage_crisis
In the New York Times John Steele Gordon wrote an opinion criticizing Raines' contribution to the 2008 financial crisis caused by the failure of Fannie Mae. "He cooked the books at Fannie to increase his compensation (more than $90 million)."
Give me a break
Any good economist will tell you that, sure, the collapse of Fannie Mae sped along the problem. But we could have paid back all the default mortgages if it weren't for all the CDS's attached to them. It was stupidity of buyers and greed of bank owners that combined to cause this problem. And yes, both Democrats and Republicans were stupidly blind to it.
Blaiming the CDS market is like
blaming your bank for bounced checks after you get laid off and overdraw your account.
Without defaulted mortgages, noone would have called in the CDS's
In that case, we should blame carpenters
Without houses, none of these families would have tried to take out a loan in the first place! Damn those carpenters!
WHO COULD HAVE GUESSED THAT YOU WERE SUCH A
BLITHERING IDIOT?????
Warren Buffett.
A completely OPAQUE market was doomed to fail. Consult Hayek if you don't fucking believe me. Any economist, right left or center will scoff at you.
Here, let's value everything stupidly just to get good bonuses!
CDS were the problem. Are the problem, and will continue to be the problem
Blaming mortgages is like blaming the house for catching on fire when you juggled nitroglicerine inside it, and then proceeded to drop a atom bomb bigger than the entire world's GDP on it.
Riots are occurring because of this financial crisis -- not that you've heard about them, because you're so ignorant you don't bother to follow the news.
who had control of the
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Greed and Economic Meltdown
The present economic mess has to be the one of the greatest displays ever of greed by an astouonding number of people.
People greedily took out mortgages they knew they would never pay for.
Speculators greedily took out mortgages on properties they intended to flip.
Politicians greedily sought to buy votes by enthusiastically supporting "liar loans" programs.
Loan brokers greedily made bad loans they knew they could sell.
Bankers greedily packaged garbage loans they knew they could sell.
Large investors greedily bought up packaged loans thinking they were making a quick buck.
How is this Ponzi scheme any different from Mr. Madoff's? Everyone wanted something for nothing and at someone else's expense. Unrestrained greed is never a pretty thing.
I have to agree..
Greed, when not caged by personal responsibility, is a very ugly thing.
It was pretty much over
...when Greenspan sat before Congress recently and admitted that, "None of our models ever accounted for that." The great praxeological study collapsed because the people advocating greed never considered that a person might place their own profit ahead of the business entity which they represent.
There are different ways to look at a business entity: the management, the shareholders, the people that work there, or the consumers. Things got really unbalanced there for awhile.
Agreed
Pretty much breaks it all down.
The Market was working fine
The Market was working fine before the Fed, Congress, DOJ, the Clinton Admin, and actions like Obama suing Citibank for ACORN. All of those things changed the rules for mortgage lending. There is a document called "Closing the Gap" published by the Federal Reserve Boston that served as the blueprint for changing the MOrtgage standards. This quote is from there:
The plan was to flood the minority areas with marketing and other communications to let those folks know that there's new rules in place to get loans.
So all of that began to tear down all standards of lending. I've made these arguments before, and some defender of these policies will say that well only x% of loans were made under these specific programs. It doesn't matter! Once the standards were destroyed, they were destroyed across the board. They never would have done that if the government didn't begin the process. So then , the next phase was the repeal of Glass-Steagall. We're told this a consequence of evil Republican deregulation. What no one ever says is that the Democrats insisted on these additions to Gramm's reform bill: (This comes directly from a document on Congress' website about the bill)
Going back to the mid 90s. HUD directed Fannie Mae to start purchasing CRA loans. This created a market for puchasing of CRA and Subprime loans. Defenders say the CRA loans were more sound than other private loans.
It doesn't matter. Fannie Mae opened the door and created a market for bad loans to get sold to third parties.
This was a Government -created policy.
And then also, the US Govt had its Trade Reps around the world marketing for the mortgage backed securities , telling China, for instance, that they were as safe as cash.
Government created this entire disaster. To blame the markets for doing what the Government WANTED them to do is absurd. The CDS and other instruments are a huge giant problem, but not because they were flawed on their own merits, but because they were used on a broken model, the mortgages themselves.
People who blame Wall Street for being "Greedy" seem to me to be dim thinkers. Of course they're Greedy! It's their job to be greedy.. Do you blame your lungs for breathing?
The Government was depending upon Wall Street Greed to have Fannie Mae make a lot of money selling debt and then buying the debt from loan originators using "Standards" the Government collapsed.
And now we're collapsed. All in the name 'Fairness" and "helping the poor"
The poor doesn't need a mortgage!
The Democrats who build this entire edifice are now empowered even more. The folks who destroyed the world's money are now even more powerful than ever.
moo. found another sheep.
CDS is inherently opaque. any fucking economist, including Hayek would tell you that free markets don't work when they're OPAQUE.
Please, go crying back to your mama. She knows more economics than you, because she keeps her money in her cookie jar.
You read that whole diatribe?
Kudos! Bravo and brava!
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