Tea Party 'Extremists' Take Center Stage

-By Warner Todd Huston

The liberal media's newest meme is to claim that the tea party movement is made up exclusively of John Birchers, militia types, racists, and "birthers." Politico, for instance, had an extensive story about how legitimate conservatives are coming to realize that they'll have to conduct a Buckley styled purge of the extremists if they expect the tea party groups to be taken seriously. Of course, the left has had its extremists for decades, unlike the right has never conducted any such purges, and has also benefited from a news media that has never highlighted the left's worst nuts.

The whole idea that conservatives have to purge their wackier, more fringe members is something that at one level is obvious but at another is proof that the left and the Old Media are nothing but hypocrites. At still a third level there is part of the attitude exhibited by some of these far right elements that is a root motivation of the tea party movement, fringe or no.

As clownish left-wing commentators such as Keith Olbermann, Rachel Maddow, John Stewart or Stephen Colbert point fingers and guffaw at the fringes of the right and as the New York Times and Politico stroke their chins and look down their noses at the unruly tea party movement, it must be noted that none of these folks ever uttered a cross word against the Code Pink wackos, the communist infiltrators, anti-war hippies, Stalinist apologists, pro-abortion extremists, Euro-trash half-wits, eco-terrorists, and outright anarchists that have filled the left's ranks since the birth of the new left after WWII.

At every lefty protest representatives of these hatemongering groups abound. They can be found on the campus of every American college and university, as well. But are these dangerous extremists ever discussed in our Old Media outlets when they highlight lefty movements? Never. The left's extremists are simply never mentioned. It is as if every left-wing group in America is filled with conscientious old grandmothers and idealistic young folks innocently avowing their rights as citizens of the world. Never are the violence prone, the hateful nutcases, or the drugged out losers that fills the American left ever highlighted.

But watch out. Should one guy with a misspelled sign, a few goofy guys dressed as founding fathers, or one guy with a gun show up at a tea party and even conservatives start quaking in fear the their movement can't be taken seriously.

Still, there are some serious questions that must be asked about what the tea party movement means, who should be "allowed" into it, and how its affairs should be conducted. William F. Buckley, Jr. well understood this when he conducted in the early 1960s the purge from his new conservative movement of members of the John Birch Society.

Even as House Minority Leader John Boehner of Ohio tells the media that he thinks the tea partiers are "great patriots," some media types like Michael Gerson are warning that the tea party movement is in danger of being defined by its "worst elements." Consequently many conservatives are looking to Buckley's example in order to distance the tea party movement from militia types and the so-called "birthers" that have set upon Obama's birth certificate as its cause célèbre.

This is not to say that the tea party movement should simply stand by as weirdos take over their movement. Certainly conservatives are right to try and oust today's John Birchers. But let's be honest about one aspect of "extreme" sentiment that lies at the basis of the tea party movement: its essential anti-government sentiment.

The key difference between the left and right is that the left sees government as the answer to its dreams while the right sees government as the problem, not the solution. Leftists are fascists at heart and they want to use the iron boot heel of government to drive their policy goals. So, when the left protests it protests that government isn't big enough that it isn't being used enough.

The tea party movement is different. It is at heart driven by a quintessentially American sentiment. That sentiment is a distrust, verging on hatred of government. We all know that the United States was born of revolution. Our founders violently deposed their rightful government and supplanted it with one of their own making. Government employees were murdered, attacked, beaten, tarred and feathered, threatened… in short British officials were violently deposed by our founders. There was a lot of internecine warfare that went on between patriots and loyalists during the 8 years of rebellion here. It was pretty vicious, indeed.

Now this violence didn't occur everywhere, mind you. In some instances British rule simply melted away supplanted by a home-rule filling the vacuum. But there is no doubt that the 1/3 of the colonists that rose up against the British were the extremists of their day. Today they would surely be considered terrorists.

This is what the tea party movement is based on. There is no escaping the fact that at some basic level every tea party participant is carefully weighing in his mind whether or when it will be appropriate to begin to take up arms against the current out-of-control U.S. government. This is an uncomfortable thing to discuss but it is true nonetheless.

It seems startling to consider this point, admittedly. In the heart of each tea party activist is the seminal question of whether or not our current government is a legitimately constituted authority or if it has gone so far astray that armed rebellion would be warranted. After all, our nation was founded on such a question. It is only natural that the movement most directly descended from that founding question would again entertain its consideration.

Further, one of our earliest Amendments is predicated on this central question. One of the reasons we even have a Second Amendment is so that our government will sufficiently fear its armed citizenry a fear that is supposed to force that government to stay on the straight and narrow. It is no mere bombast when conservatives cite the revolutionary sentiment of founder Thomas Jefferson who said, "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is it’s natural manure." (Letter to William Stephens Smith, Nov. 13, 1787)

That wasn't the only time Jefferson said something like this, either. In a letter to James Madison, also in 1787, Jefferson reiterated this idea.

I hold it, that a little rebellion, now and the, is a good thing, and as necessary in the political world as storms in the physical. Unsuccessful rebellions, indeed, generally establish the encroachments on the rights of the people, which have produced them. An observation of this truth should render honest republican governors so mild in their punishment of rebellions, as not to discourage them too much. It is a medicine necessary for the sound health of government.

Jefferson wasn't the only one. Madison also echoed the principle of revolution. In his answer to "Pacificus" from April 22, 1793, Madison wrote the following:

… If there be a principle that ought not to be questioned within the United States, it is that every nation has a right to abolish an old government and establish a new one. This principle is not only recorded in every public archive, written in every American heart, and sealed with the blood of a host of American martyrs, but is the only lawful tenure by which the United States hold their existence as a nation.

Most of the other founders had such quotes to their credit, as well. Like I said, this sentiment lies at the heart of our nation and the tea party movement alike.

But what does all this history mean to us today? It means no less than there is always the thought underneath all the discussions of today's political climate that we have the right to forcibly throw off this government. Like I said, it is uncomfortable to think about but it is true nonetheless.

Naturally, the extremists on the left, your court jesters such as Stewart, Olbermann and Maddow, will point to my piece as "proof" that we are all crazy, anti-American, bomb-throwers. They will screech that we are gun nuts that simply want to start killing everyone that does not agree with us. Fact is, the Olbermanns and Maddows of the 1700s said the same thing about our founders.

It must be pointed out that a resort to revolution is not what conservatives would rather have happen. Far from it. A peaceful return to American principles and away from the socialist, European ideals is our druthers, certainly. But it would be dishonest to carry on as if it wasn't implicit in our core philosophy.

And our government would be best served to remember it, too.

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G.O.E. 3/17/2007 DC March on the Pentagon vs. Tea Party DC

If the Viet Nam era patriots who showed up (without violence) to "escort" the Code Pink Jane Fonda type Radical leftist hippies and their "march on the Pentagon" with all their Anti Iraq War hysteria on display, ....Then I doubt that there will be any real Tea Party oriented Violence, as already evidenced by the 1 million Tea Party march on 9/12/2009.
(for you lefties out there who want to see Psychodelic hippies go to youTube and search on Gathering of Eagles DC 2007)
You are correct to say the TEA Party members talk about revolution and entertain talk of violence, but just as many Non active normal citizens who never attended a Tea Party ALSO have the same violent entertaining thoughts.....BUT.....there is a certain fear of Government that fuel these thoughts.
After all, Obama won and deserves the GUN SALESMAN OF 2009 AWARD to go along with his Nobel Peace Prize.
Tea Partiers are Threatened Americans, and simply talk mostly about Defending themselves, not attacking Congress with Guns and Ammo.

The GOE and friends also showed up for the March on the Capitol by a much bigger set of anti Iraq war loonies. The loonies were arrested storming the steps of the Capital, not the GOE and other Anti Anti-War Patriots.

So the Leftest Media "projects" their image, their leftist thoughts, upon the Tea Partiers. Townhalls were tame compared to those 2007 DC anti war DC events.
I think the "AMMO / GUN SALES" of 2009 were enough of a threat to the Government Reps in DC that the chickenshits are retiring and running for cover.

The Tea Party doesn't "need no stinkin violence", we have majority rule at the Polls, and the Perry landslide in Texas is sending yet another NON violent message to DC.
We (TEA party) can Whip these marxists.....Cold War style, without firing a Shot.

But you're correct, lots of violent Talk and Thoughts by TP's, but that's fading now, as its obvious that the Radicals are unfit to govern California, Illinois, Michigan, New Jersey.....etc. and are retiring and running from VOTERS, NOT GUNS.

it must be noted that none of

it must be noted that none of these folks ever uttered a cross word against the Code Pink wackos, the communist infiltrators, anti-war hippies, Stalinist apologists, pro-abortion extremists, Euro-trash half-wits, eco-terrorists, and outright anarchists that have filled the left's ranks since the birth of the new left after WWII... The left's extremists are simply never mentioned.

And for good reason, Warner: They have no standing, no power, and are completely irrelevant. Fringe nutcase elements, collectively, have never made up more than a tiny fraction of the American left. We're talking low-single-digits, on their best day. Every political movement always attracts some small portion of crackpots. The reason the current situation is so radically different and draws more attention is that the lunatic fringe on the right, today, isn't this traditionally microscopic faction--it has become the conservative "mainstream." Somewhere in the neighborhood of 60% of Republicans either toy with or openly embrace birtherism. 63% of them openly assert Obama is a socialist (with another 16% suggesting that he may be ). 76% either believe ACORN stole the 2008 election or could have. 57% said Obama either "wants the terrorists to win" or may want them to. That's sheer crackpotism at its worst, and it's  completely dominating the conservative movement at present.

Certainly conservatives are right to try and oust today's John Birchers. But let's be honest about one aspect of "extreme" sentiment that lies at the basis of the tea party movement: its essential anti-government sentiment.

No, it's anti-this-government sentiment. These aren't 19th century-style anarchists about which we're talking (those elements are all still found on the left). The right is not anti-government--it just advocates a particular kind of government, and no, it isn't a small, unobtrusive one. The recently-concluded Bush administration and the conservative reaction to it (which continues to this day) makes that crystal clear. Bush built an embryonic dictatorship of monstrous proportions, and the American right cheered him every step of the way in it. Much of the wreckage he made of our institutions is still there, waiting for the next monster to exploit. Try to fix any of it and the howls of the pathetic creature that is the larger American right rise to such a din that it threatens to drown out the world. Look at the recent fury on the right when Obama suggested the radical notion of actually trying a criminal for the crimes of which he has been accused, and you see how far down the long, ugly road to fascism George Bush and his supporters dragged the U.S., and how far we have to go before the damage is repaired. They didn't drag out Jefferson quotes and preach the virtue of armed insurrection when Bush was asserting (and exercising) the power to kidnap American citizens and hold them in a dark hole forever with no access to courts or any semblance of due process; they only preach it when someone tries to get health care coverage for those who don't have it.

You accuse "leftists" of being "fascists at heart," but part of the current  fringe right-wing resurgence includes an uptick in actual fascists. As was recently reported, the militia and white supremacist type groups are experiencing the same resurgence as the rest of the lunatic fringe right.  It's the same thing that happened back in the '90s, and no one on the right back then could be bothered to get serious about exercising some responsibility, either. They couldn't be bothered when right-wing idiots started shooting abortion doctors. They couldn't be bothered when right-wing idiots packed a truck with explosives and blew up a building. They can't be bothered today. It isn't that the conservative movement is being unfairly defined by its crackpots--it's that it has become a movement of those crackpots, where reasonable conservatives are nowhere to be found. Conservatism needs to get its house in order.

News flash for "no standing, no power, and irrevalent

Dallas county in Texas historically has 40 to 50 thousand voters in their primary. This primary count from yesterday was over 100,000 and still climbing. For you mathematically challenged Democrats, that's Double.
Scary, is it not ?
As for your uninformed Tea Party comments, let me give you a cut out from a Tea Party E-mail to its members.

"This movement is about ENGAGING our fellow citizens, INFORMING them about the critical issues, and encouraging them to TAKE ACTION"

All radical propaganda spewing leftists FEAR informed Citizens. Be very afraid, the Tea Partiers are are spreading truth, and the useful idiots like you better shut up, sit down, and fasten your seatbelt.......its gonna be a rough ride into November 2010 for Democrat lovers.
Be sure and watch Sarah on Leno tonight, ya hear ?

The 101st Chairborne rides again...

It seems startling to consider this point, admittedly. In the heart of each tea party activist is the seminal question of whether or not our current government is a legitimately constituted authority or if it has gone so far astray that armed rebellion would be warranted. After all, our nation was founded on such a question. It is only natural that the movement most directly descended from that founding question would again entertain its consideration.

It's amazing that all of you self-anointed "patriots" can be so deluded.  I do have admit that it's a testament to the propoganda proficiency of Fox and talk radio that you are so completely insulated from reality that you are actually convinced you represent a majority of Americans. 

The Boston Tea Party was about taxation without representation.  Newsflash:  All of you are fully represented in Congress.  The fact that a majority of citizens elected representatives with different views does not amount to "a question of whether or not our current government is a legally constituted authority" --  It is.  When you threaten to take up arms and take to the streets to protest Medicare, then we can talk about whether the government has gone too far astray with health care.  Let us know how that goes, but I kind of doubt you'll get Grandma out to fire on the National Guard to ensure her Medicare is eliminated.

If any of the anti-Iraq war protesters had even hinted at "entertaining" thoughts of armed rebellion, you would have been screaming for their prosecution for treason.  Many "leftists" thought a pre-emptive war on a country that had not attacked us and was not involved in the 9/11 attack was the government "going too far."  Convince me you would not have wanted them charged with treason.

Thomas Jefferson Said...........

"The strongest reason for the people to retain their right to keep and bear arms is as a last resort to protect themselves against tyranny in government."

I'm following Jefferson, you Lefties can follow the Best damn Gun Salesman Americans have ever had....Obama.

 

 

No, he didn't.

"The strongest reason for the people to retain their right to keep and bear arms is as a last resort to protect themselves against tyranny in government."

That's a well-circulated, but entirely fictional, Jefferson "quotation." It appears nowhere in the recorded utterances of Jefferson or any of the other founder.

How about this one "Eternal Hostility" by Jefferson

"for I have sworn upon the altar of god eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man."  Thomas Jefferson 

Not much of a leap of faith from there to a "right to bear arms" quote, but if you don't want Jefferson tied to the "reason for the people to retain their right to keep and bear arms", just credit it to me, since it lies unclaimed in your eyes, and not in PRINT from Jefferson's era.

If you take an Attribute of Obama, Like Tyranny, Lies, "Push thru Congress", you can be assured Jefferson had an Opinion on it that was "Revolution" oriented, and as Author of the Declaration of Independence (with others) the Declaration speaks quite Clearly to Obama and Friends...

Let Jefferson be Clear................

The government is the servant, not the master, of the people.

 

Here's a better idea...

Why don't you just apologize for advancing a fictitious Jefferson quotation? The generation and ciruclation of phony founder quotations is a major industry on the right, and it's a damnable one that needs to be stopped. Here's an even better idea than the apology: why not stick to something you know, when you're writing these comments, rather than writing about something like Jefferson, about whom you clearly have absolutely no real knowledge, and derive your understanding of him solely from some quotations (or phony quotations) you found somewhere? Or, better yet, try to actually learn something about him? The latter would be the best possible solution, but I fear your head would explode if you were to do it.

A case in point: The "eternal hostility" quote you've referenced was written by Jefferson in an 1800 letter to Benjamin Rush. At the time, the 19th century equivalent of the religious right was slandering Jefferson as an atheist. As Jefferson characterized them, they saw him as a stumbling block to their plans for American theocracy, and, with the remark in question, he was confirming that he would be. Jefferson was declaring his hostility to the Pat Robertsons, the Rick Warrens, and the James Dobsons of the world, not to the Obamas (who are, in party and ideology, descendant of Jefferson).

If you want to quote Jefferson on the right to bear arms, there are real comments he made on the subject. It's just that knowing where they are usually requires some basic knowledge of Jefferson. You started this exchange with a phony Jefferson "quotation", and then, incredibly, ended your last post with this great flourish: "Let Jefferson be Clear." And then you offered yet another phony "quotation." To clear up the matter, "the government is the servant, not the master, of the people" isn't a Jefferson quote. It's a characterization (albeit a correct one) of Jefferson's views taken from Monticello's official Jefferson biography.

Here is a reading Comprehension Skill.....

Find the word "Quotation" in my original Post..................?  

Whoops, wasn't there, was it.  

Yet we find the word "Quotations" SEVERAL times in your asinine response.  You're a little obsessed, aren't you ?   Proving ANYONE wrong while you are always RIGHT, is what you're all about.  Sort of a RIGHT ambition for a LEFTY.

I wasn't writing ABOUT Jefferson, I said I was Following Jefferson

You're the one using "THEY" and "HE" and writing about what the "Thoughts" and what "they" were "Thinking" in the 1770's, you must be a Diety to claim to have that kind of Vision.

In any event, Your comment takes MORE liberal license about what Jefferson  and people "Thought" in the 1700's, without much proof other than your Liberal mind taking unsubstantciated Liberal License.

Don't ...

...throw around phrases like "reading comprehension," little man, not when you demonstrate as little understanding of them as you do of Jefferson.

Find the word "Quotation" in my original Post..................?  

Whoops, wasn't there, was it.

Well, let's see. Here's your exact words, from that post:

Thomas Jeferson said "The strongest reason for the people to retain their right to keep and bear arms is as a last resort to protect themselves against tyranny in government."

You said he said it, then you put the comment in quotes. That is a quotation. That's both what you actually  did, and what it was clearly your intent to do. The entirely phony quotation you used is a popular one, which also further removes any room to wiggle out of this. You've made it pretty clear that it chaps your ass that some liberal knows so much more about this than you, but your impotent howling isn't going to make you any more knowledgeable, or make me as ill-informed and stupid as you.

You're the one using "THEY" and "HE" and writing about what the "Thoughts" and what "they" were "Thinking" in the 1770's, you must be a Diety to claim to have that kind of Vision.

No, I'm just someone who reads what they actually wrote. That this gives me a gods-over-ant advantage over you is your own shortcoming, not an argument for my own divinity.

In any event, Your comment takes MORE liberal license about what Jefferson  and people "Thought" in the 1700's, without much proof other than your Liberal mind taking unsubstantciated Liberal License.

And since you would obviously love to demonstrate that, if it was true, I take great comfort in the fact that you not only failed to do so, but utterly failed to even try.

Let Jefferson be Clear............as you are not

the government is the servant, not the master, of the people

This was NOT enclosed in Quotes,

It was NOT followed by Thomas Jefferson,

Get a GRIP.........

IT IS an Interpretation / Description of Jeffersons "meaning" when Jefferson completed the writing the Declaration of Independence, and this "Characterzation" is not PHONY, it can be found on the University of Va., Library Web site, as opposed to being PHONY. 

You really need to get control of your Hostility.......Go sign on to the daily KOS website (repeating myself again), those squirrels are more your type.  They are the Profile you project, a Classic Liberal.  

 

 

IT IS an Interpretation /

IT IS an Interpretation / Description of Jeffersons "meaning" when Jefferson completed the writing the Declaration of Independence, and this "Characterzation" is not PHONY, it can be found on the University of Va., Library Web site, as opposed to being PHONY.

Again, your words were "Let Jefferson be Clear," followed by that, for which you offered no source, though one existed (which removes any possibility of you claiming it as your own characterization). Your intentional implication was that it was a Jefferson quotation, and it isn't (and you obviously had to double-check your source--the one you only half-read the first time--to learn you were wrong, which why you addressed this in a separate post).

Nope, Didn't have to Double check my Source

There you go, doing that mind reading thing again....and failing.

My Source on "eternal Hostility" was the Jefferson  Memorial in DC, as it was written in Marble on the Walls along with Other Quotations from Jefferson.  Been there, read that.

The University of Va. "Summation" was a Web Page bookmark that I had filed away on the Declaration of Independence........been back there several times. 

Gee, I put "Summation" in quotes above..........was that a Quotation ?   Gee, quotation marks sometimes have another meaning, than what the reader interprets.  Lets look at the RULES in the English Language for Double Quotes........The double quotation ( " ) encloses a direct quotation, whether made by a person or taken from a piece of literature.

The bold highlighted part above, is WHY I did NOT put Jefferson's name on the First comment.....I lifted it from articles (literature) that attributed it to TJ.   I'm following Jefferson's Direction, you keep following OBAMA.

You're NOT going to be able to lie your way out of this

My Source on "eternal Hostility" was the Jefferson  Memorial in DC, as it was written in Marble on the Walls along with Other Quotations from Jefferson.  Been there, read that.

You'd be well advised to avoid that, and stick to primary sources. Some of the Jefferson "quotations" there are incomplete; others are Frankensteined together from different sources in such a way as to change their meaning. But it doesn't surprise me that you draw your "knowledge" of Jefferson from a few minutes spent at a tourist destination.

The University of Va. "Summation" was a Web Page bookmark that I had filed away on the Declaration of Independence........been back there several times.

But you presented what it said as something Jefferson had said, and no, there's no way you can lie your way out of that.

Gee, I put "Summation" in quotes above..........was that a Quotation ?

No, that was you trying and, in everyone's mind but your own, miserably failing to make some kind of relevant point.

The bold highlighted part above, is WHY I did NOT put Jefferson's name on the First comment.....I lifted it from articles (literature) that attributed it to TJ.

I know you were just lifting it from some right-wing website--I'm the one who exposed that fact in this thread. You weren't quoting some article, though, when you wrote, "Thomas Jefferson said." Those are your words, your attribution of the quote to Jefferson, and it was you who, only a post ago, denied it was a quotation at all, in spite of the fact that you'd even started your second post on the subject with the header "how about this one," the thing that followed being yet another Jefferson quotation (but the second one being real).

I'm following Jefferson's Direction, you keep following OBAMA.

That you'd even suggest the unrelenting torrent of intentional lies you've been offering in this thread equals "following Jefferson's Direction" only further demonstrates your complete lack of understanding of the subject.

I apologize Warner, I didn't mean to get offtrack on your post

I know better that to talk sense to a mind reading Troll, but it was entertaining.March On Washington 9-12-09

Tea Party, Doesn't look Violent to me ?  

This will keep Classic Liberal busy, so many minds to read, and so little time.

 

Tea Party Threat of Violence............which has proven to be a NON PROBLEM.