Vindictive Former Clinton Lewinski Lawyer Out for Cheney's Head

Lanny Davis Wants it both ways: truth commissions without the truth commissions

In a recent Washington Times editorial, former Clinton Special Council Lanny Davis has decided that former vp Dick Cheney should be brought up on charges even though he has formerly spoken against such prosecutions. Why the sudden flip flop? Apparently his only reason is that Cheney has had the audacity to appear on a few TV talk shows to defend himself.

It is somewhat ironic that Davis, with Clinton a man that appeared all over TV during the Lewinski scandal to defend themselves, is upset that Cheney is appearing all over TV to defend himself. But the sad thing is that Davis has had to twist himself into a pretzel to excuse his revenge against Cheney. Davis' legal logic leaves quite a bit to be desired with this about face.

Here is what Davis claimed changed his mind from opposing these destructive truth commissions to now accepting them:

[Cheney's] insistence on putting himself on multiple TV programs and conservative radio talk shows, not only defending torture but offering the defense that it worked, has changed my mind.

This is a prime example of the singular illogic that the left keeps purposefully foisting on the American public in order to justify a desire for witch hunt trials and truth commissions. It is a misconstruction of what the underlying reasoning was for using waterboarding during Bush's years in office. The disconnect with the truth here is that Cheney is not "defending torture." In fact the position of Cheney and the Bush administration is that the enhanced interrogation techniques approved by White House lawyers specifically held that it wasn't "torture." Whether you now agree that waterboarding is torture or not, the whole point here is that the advisers then said it wasn't. So, on that basis Cheney and advocates of the methods went forward under the aegis that no torture was being committed in the first place. So, in truth, Cheney is not "defending torture" because they contended that it was no such thing.

This is a key point that the left is purposefully ignoring because it is the only way they can excuse their own actions. It is pure spin that ignores the legal understanding of the whole incident. For a lawyer like Lanny Davis, that isn't very lawyerly of him.

Davis next goes on to clam that Cheney is merely looking for an "I told you so" moment with all this. In case we are attacked, Davis postulates, Cheney can say that Obama's reckless abandonment of the methods that kept us safe for the last seven years will the the cause of that attack. I find it a bit hard to believe that Cheney would interrupt his retirement, would put himself out there on a tree limb like he has, would sacrifice the silence that might have more easily kept him out of this whole mess, would do so merely to be able to say "I told you so."

Davis' attempt to personalize Cheney's TV appearances as a direct attack on Obama is rather silly and smacks of him, not Cheney, playing politics with America's safety.

That aside, though, Davis still insists that no others should appear on the docket alongside former vp Cheney. Except for a truth commission only for Cheney, Davis still opposes such attacks on other former administration officials.

... I oppose any criminal prosecution of prior-administration officials on torture or other issues relating to the Iraq War and the war on terrorism, especially those CIA interrogators who relied in good faith on the instructions of policymakers and the legal opinions issued by Justice Department senior officials.

Davis correctly cites the fact that the White House Office of Legal Council approved the use of the enhanced interrogations. He points out that Jay S. Bybee and John Yoo declared that the techniques were not in violation of the 1994 federal law against using torture. Davis also points out that other voices disagreed. Still Davis does not seem to be in favor of going after Bybee or Yoo, only Cheney.

This does not pass the smell test for logic and seems to argue that Davis is not interested in law but in vindictiveness alone against Cheney. If Davis is so sure that Yoo and Bybee had indulged in insincere "legal gymnastics" to justify breaking federal law, then Davis should be looking to see Bybee and Yoo's heads on a pike right alongside Cheney's. But Davis still seems to insist that no other official should be brought up on charges. This simply makes no logical sense.

So, how does Davis square his refusal to countenance prosecutions of everyone but Cheney? Here is the crux of his argument.

... Mr. Cheney knew waterboarding was being used against detainees, that he expressly approved its use, or that he actually directed interrogators to use it. If any of these are true, then Mr. Cheney could be guilty under U.S. laws of being a co-conspirator or an accessory to a crime.

Davis justifies attacking Cheney alone because the vp was at the top of the chain and made the order directing the use of "torture." I've already discussed the singular fact that council had informed the vp that no torture was being committed and that Cheney went forward on that basis, but there is another problem with Davis' justification: Cheney wasn't at the top. Bush was.

If we are talking only going after the top man, then we should be talking going after Bush, not Cheney (or, perhaps, not just Cheney, in any case). Bush was the president, not Cheney. So, whatever the vice president did it was under the color of Bush's authority.

In the end, even Davis' weak reasoning for attacking only Cheney can't stand to reason.

This whole push for truth commissions on behalf of the extreme left is the worst thing for the nation. Should such witch hunts as those Lanny Davis now suddenly approves commence, it will diminish the office of the president and the vice president both and will certainly have repercussions for the honest council offered the executive branch for decades to come.

Davis ends his ill-conceived editorial with one more example of the left's essentially un-American focus by citing a foreign source to buck up his call for truth commissions. This penchant of the left to cite foreign opinions, laws, and ideas and to apply them to U.S. law is yet one more way to tear at the sovereignty of our own nation. For his part, Davis cites approvingly an opinion by the Israeli Supreme Court as if that has any bearing at all on what we here are doing or should do here in the United States.

Whether the Israeli Court's sentiment is a good one or not, their legal opinions simply have no bearing on ours. Unfortunately, lefty legalists in the U.S. are determined to force foreign precedent on the U.S. and this is just another woeful example of that.

Sadly, Lanny Davis failed to convince that his vindictive desire to hang Dick Cheney from the nearest yardarm is based on any logical legal reasoning. Mark Lanny as just another wild-eyed DailyKos type looking to execute former officials in an updated, American version of the French Revolution. For Davis and his compatriots it's to hell with the Ancien Régime and off with their heads.

So much for the law.

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You can't have your subordinates provide you with a fig leaf

The disconnect with the truth here is that Cheney is not "defending torture." In fact the position of Cheney and the Bush administration is that the enhanced interrogation techniques approved by White House lawyers specifically held that it wasn't "torture." Whether you now agree that waterboarding is torture or not, the whole point here is that the advisers then said it wasn't.

Wrong - the whole point is you can't have your subordinates provide you with a fig leaf and then go out and do whatever you damn  well please.

Well, yes, you can.

Now afterwards it may, indeed, prove to be illegal, but as long as the elected public officeholder sought for and followed that legal advice, they aren't immune from any possible legal prosecution after the fact, but the government will have to pay for all of their legal fees. And then there is the different between guilt and culpability the prosecution will have to contend with.

But, of course, the object here isn't the pursuit of justice, but the pursuit of a political agenda.

ex animo

davidfarrar

The object here is the pursuit of the TRUTH.

The object here is the pursuit of the TRUTH - and the hope of erasing this stain from our nation's reputation.

The Bush Administration is already out of office - it isn't like a truth commission is going to make them more out of office.

TRUTH?!?! You can't handle the truth!

You (generic 'you' ie the weepers for the AQ terrorists over 3 of the worst of them getting waterboarding) can't handle the truth. The truth is the very things you are railing against saved American lives and what you want to do is treat the ugly but necessary duty of extracting information from terrorists as a crime.

If you want the 'truth' go back to the tape of 9/11... you forgot the truth, you forgot the reason, you forgot the victims, you forgot what it was all about ...

http://www.frugalsites.net/911/attack/

You want the world upside down - soft on terrorists but hard on their pursuers who tried to keep us safe. Bollocks to all that. What the "Truth Commission" probably needs to hear from those who did is a full-metal-jacket retort-rant with Jack Nicholson mode on:

Jessep: You can't handle the truth! Son, we live in a world that has walls. And those walls have to be guarded by men with guns. Who's gonna do it? You? You, Lt. Weinberg? I have a greater responsibility than you can possibly fathom. You weep for Santiago and you curse the Marines. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know: that Santiago's death, while tragic, probably saved lives. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives...You don't want the truth. Because deep down, in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me on that wall. You need me on that wall. We use words like honor, code, loyalty...we use these words as the backbone to a life spent defending something. You use 'em as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom I provide, then questions the manner in which I provide it! I'd rather you just said thank you and went on your way. Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a weapon and stand a post. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you're entitled to!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5j2F4VcBmeo

 

and what if they did?

I'll be the first to argue for torture, but I WON'T LET IT BE LEGAL. Because it is NOT something to do casually, it actively jeopardizes lives. and to treate it casually is to loose the hounds.

It's not for nothing that they say that the people who most resemble prisoners are the prison guards. In morality, empathy, everything.

There's a reason we keep fences, there's a reason we have laws.

Let our CIA break them, if they dare. Let them face the consequences for behaving honorably, sacrificing themselves for their duty. BUT LET THERE BE CONSEQUENCES!

 

"Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither"

This is another example of

This is another example of the twisted thinking of the far left.

Bring trumped up charges against the former administration in the press and then when they have the audacity to defend themselves in the press, call for prosecution. . .because they defended themselves in the press.

Wacky wacky far left wing. Perhaps if Cheney volunteered to go into a reeducation camp for a year, Mr. Davis would be satisfied.

Trumped up charges?

Good grief.

Bush is doing it right

He is laying low and saying nothing.  Your mouth won't get you in trouble if you don't open it.

Cheney is out there creating a lengthy RECORD of what he says, and trust me, his public statements will be thrust into his face at some point.  For a guy who kept quiet while in office, he is shooting his mouth off now far too much for his own good.

Bringing someone up on charges...

...sounds to me like more than a Truth Commission. But, Hey! I could be wrong.

ex animo

davidfarrar

i know it shouldn't but that

i know it shouldn't but that animation while mildly funny pretty gives me liscense to ignore anything else you have to say.

That's ok, molotov...

...I have taken liscence [sec] to ignore your posts on substance alone for along time now.

ex animo

davidfarrar

Lanny admits its a political prosecution

that's all it means.

The liberals want to control the 'narrative' on this - 'Bush done wrong' - but Cheney was challenging the story.

The 'grownups' in the DNC dont want a real prosecution, they know that it will do damage to national security and has already boomeranged politically, with majorites IN SUPPORT OF WHAT BUSH ADMINISTRATION DID.

But they have unleashed the dogs of rabid partisanship on this, and the lefties want these 'war criminals' (IMHO an utter slander) to account.  Meanwhile the DOJ is already putting grand jury together.

This whole push for truth commissions on behalf of the extreme left is the worst thing for the nation. Should such witch hunts as those Lanny Davis now suddenly approves commence, it will diminish the office of the president and the vice president both and will certainly have repercussions for the honest council offered the executive branch for decades to come.

Correct. The process is out of control and it will end badly for all parties concerned.

uh oh. look like the CIA was

Leon Panetta KNOWS that

he was just bitching Pelosi out for saying that the Cia was lying. His response was "we're acting in good faith -- I know your notes and our recollections don't jive" Pelosi's comeback "Cia rocks, Bush Admin sucks"

I think Pelosi just misspoke -- didn't mean to tag the civil servants and the Obama Cia.

Wow thanks for that

Well, finally, the smoking gun.

In the meantime, the CIA has been neutered by Obama. So much for protecting the homeland.

how do you figure that?

When you lose good men because they are more professional than partisan loyalists, you neuter the Cia. That happened under GW Bush and Porter Goss.

Panetta knows that his agency's recollection is spotty, that's why he puts the disclaimer there. Obviously, some people don't remember things exactly right (have you ever looked at what witnesses can make up? sometimes it's an awful lot, even when they think they're telling the truth).

Check the Washington Post today

I tried to link it but couldn't. Good article about the CIA, and where they currently stand on "enhanced interrogation".

I think that they are allowed to frown at the terrorists they are questioning, as long as they don't intend to hurt their feelings.

according to testimony from Cia and fbi officers

the "tea and crumpets" version works better than the "harsh version" which includes hypothermia and simulated death. So I'm really not too concerned.

Also, are you certain that's not an anonymous Gossling bitching about not being allowed to be a party loyalist anymore?

Okay, this seems like more of a melange than I was expecting

... heck, I could see approving that Attention Grasp (with appropriate constraints on head movement to do it... hauling someone up to your face by their collar is probably not okay, but grabbing their collar and infringing on their personal space is fine.) 

It's a good thing to hear the CIA say "we need more guidance", to take something and say "okay, where are the rest of the lines?" It's just a shame that in bureacracy it takes a while to revise things.

however, some of the article seems inaccurate, as torture was used on compliant (already debriefed) prisoners, in order to get data about AQ iraq connections.

I think you're either overreacting or using hyperbole. This seems like normal governmental feedback from competent professionals trying to do their job -- and follow the rules. I find that very relieving.

Here, Lonestar Bill, let me help.

Amid Queries, CIA Worries About Future

           ex animo

           davidfarrar

you do realize that Bush took

you do realize that Bush took torture off the table in '04, right?

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